Which one's better? PS3, 360 or Wii?

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Postby Awesome67 » 2009.02.14 (16:00)

On a personal note, *ahem* THE PS3 IS BETTER!!!

Say what you want about that statement for now, but this 12-going-on-13-year-old is determined! Go ahead and hit me with your best shot, because I will stand and defend my ground with dignity. DIGNITY!
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Postby PALEMOON » 2009.02.14 (16:05)

enjoy your no games

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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.02.14 (16:08)

X360FTWASAPLOLROFLWTF.

Seriously, it's half the price and has double the exclusive games. What's not to like? (For anyone who hasn't twigged, I'm not counting the Wii as a serious contender)
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Postby Tanner » 2009.02.14 (16:19)

The Wii is the best-selling console of all time. It's doing something right.
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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.02.14 (16:34)

Yet for all the Super Mario games you get there are at least a dozen half-arsed party games designed because it thinks the target audience is stupid. There's a lot of good games on Wii, but there's so much tat compared to even the PS2 it's unbelievable.
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Postby Awesome67 » 2009.02.14 (16:37)

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Seriously, it's half the price and has double the exclusive games. What's not to like? (For anyone who hasn't twigged, I'm not counting the Wii as a serious contender)
I do agree with both of those statements, seeing as there are plenty of games for the XBOX that the PS3 doesn't have, it is a bit pricy and the Wii sucks balls. But there are just too many awesome features on the PS3 that the XBOX just can't match, and there are new ones making their arrival every day. The 360 is an epic console, but all you guys have to fight us Playstation gamers with are the games and LIVE, in reality. There is alot to like with the XBOX, GTM, but there's more to be liked with the PS3.

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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.02.14 (16:44)

Oh! Oh! This is war now, bitches. :P

Before anyone says anything about it, Live is fine despite the cost. I can guarantee you won't miss £40 a year with the much larger community, more patches and free DLC, and a massive live Arcade if you want to spend more money. You pay for what you get; a more established community in this case.
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Postby Awesome67 » 2009.02.14 (17:08)

GTM wrote:Oh! Oh! This is war now, bitches. :P

Before anyone says anything about it, Live is fine despite the cost. I can guarantee you won't miss £40 a year with the much larger community, more patches and free DLC, and a massive live Arcade if you want to spend more money. You pay for what you get; a more established community in this case.
Are you seriously kidding me?!? You've gotta be kidding me...O.K., I know you're messing around. If you're looking for an established online community, you'll buy a PS3. That's gotta be the saddest comeback I've ever heard in a PS3-XBOX war. We've got better online communication altogether, better internet (not to mention that we can actually browse it), better software AND hardware, and just because you guys have a larger community does not mean that it's better...man, if you want me to go on, I will, but it's a pointless argument. Plus, if you really do want to waste all your precious pounds over there in your eastern hemisphere, you will get an XBOX. All that money factors in and then, what'll you do when you've suddenly got no extra money left to pay for it? At least the PS3's cost-effective!
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Postby Awesome67 » 2009.02.14 (17:19)

DemonzLunchBreak wrote:I really like the wii. It's not all about flashy games and powerful processors. Nintendo's got the right idea, I think. Video games are about gameplay. The wii's interface is innovative and clever, and there are a number of games that are extremely fun. It also costs less than the other systems, so the fun:money ratio is very high.


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Uh, yes, it is as a matter of fact, all about the "flashy games" and you most certainly do need a powerful processor to get the full experience out of it. And you're mental if you think that the XBOX and PS3 aren't all about everything gameplay. In my opinion, Nintendo pretty much blew it on this one. GTM, you're with me here, right?
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Postby Tanner » 2009.02.14 (17:30)

I had forgotten that these threads aren't actually about debating the pros and cons of each console. I'll let myself out.
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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.02.14 (17:42)

Firstly, the PS3 attachment rate is on average one game per console (with blu-ray disks, that goes up to 3.6), whereas the xbox is on average 5.2 games per console. So generally Xbox 360 users have more games than PS3 users. Yet someone can buy an Xbox 360 and 5 games for feasibly £250-300 given certain offers and games, whereas you'll probably pay £375-450 to get a PS3, a game and maybe some blu-rays. In conclusion, Xbox 360 gamers can afford to buy more games for their console, and thus increase it's cost-effectiveness. Factoring in how much the games cost, XboxLive and other expenses, although the PS3 would start saving money eventually, it would take about 5 years at best, possibly even 10 if you buy a lot of the latest games. By then I'd have a new console, making the cost-effectiveness of the PS3 redundant in the long term.

Secondly, 28 million Xbox360s have been sold worldwide, compared to 21 million PS3s (admittedly, higher than I expected) so as you said there is a larger community. Quantify better, I doubt I'd see any good evidence for the quality of either community being superior. I'm not going to stake that to the Xbox 360 seeing as I wouldn't know at all, given I don't have a PS3. I'm only saying it's more established seeing as, you know, Microsoft more or less invented the online-games community with Xbox Live back in 2000.

Also, whilst the PS3 does have a lot of hardware support, I'm not sure how much of it the average PS3 owner bothers to use. The PlayTV is more likely to be a specialist piece of software than something mainstream, such as Home. And honestly, how many people do you know with those light-strip things for the front of the console :P So a large variety of the gimmicks you can get for the PS3 are highly optional, and certainly not massive selling points. Like I wouldn't sell the Xbox for the wireless headset or the halo 3 controllers.

*dusts hands*

Also, I'm only not counting the Wii as a serious contender because it wasn't designed to be a hardcore games console, not because it's a bad quality console by any right. It would be like comparing a rat to a squirrel and complaining about the rat not eating nuts.

But motion control is seriously overrated imo.
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Postby Tanner » 2009.02.14 (17:56)

"Hardcore" gamer is such an awful, stigmatic moniker. Remember when games were fun? The Wii does "fun" the best. That said, I'm addicted to Little Big Planet. And XBLA is hella fun, as well.

Malcolm Gladwell has a TED talk where he talks about spaghetti sauce. He talks about how there used to be just two types of spaghetti sauce: original and extra spicy. He talks about how Prego came along, did some market testing, introduced "Extra Chunky" tomato sauce and almost immediately took a third of the market share.

There is no such thing as a perfect console. There are only perfect consoles.
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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.02.14 (18:01)

DemonzLunchBreak wrote: I guess I'm just not a "hardcore" gamer. I'm okay with that.
Welcome to the AA meeting, the first step is admitting it. :)

Nah, seriously, I was only trying to say that the Xbox 360 and PS3 intended for a different audience to the Wii, although the audience for all is shifting slightly. That, and people might pick the PS3 for different reasons to picking the Xbox 360. I didn't mean to stigmatise anyone anymore than I'd discriminate between an apple and an orange because of the taste.
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Postby lord_day » 2009.02.14 (18:07)

I don't own a gaming console, so I've never played them for single player games. But when it comes to fun had during multiplayer games, the Wii is the clear winner. It just doesn't take itself nearly as seriously as the other consoles, and it pulls this attitude off with ease.
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Postby Awesome67 » 2009.02.14 (18:10)

I gotta agree with you on that one. And with you, rennaT. You have proved your points. There really is no perfect console. But, if you were to get a PS3, a Wii and an XBOX, compare them, and actually rate them on their features, games and the like, I'm sure that we could all understand that although we console gamers may have our differences, we can surely agree on the fact that all of these consoles we're arguing over have their highs, their lows, and their epic failures, but it is pointless to quarrel over them. And I have studied and now realize the problem that DemonzLunchBreak is trying to explain to me. I really didn't give any truly good objective reason on why the PS3 was so much better, and was pretty much giving everyone on the forums a chance to step all over me and my gaming beliefs when I posted this topic. We all have our beliefs, but if we can't put our money where our mouth is, then they are worthless.

It is for these reasons that I humbly and peacefully propose a truce between all us console gamers. Do the parties under question accept this offer?
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Postby Rose » 2009.02.14 (19:06)

Awesome67 wrote:I gotta agree with you on that one. And with you, rennaT. You have proved your points. There really is no perfect console. But, if you were to get a PS3, a Wii and an XBOX, compare them, and actually rate them on their features, games and the like, I'm sure that we could all understand that although we console gamers may have our differences, we can surely agree on the fact that all of these consoles we're arguing over have their highs, their lows, and their epic failures, but it is pointless to quarrel over them. And I have studied and now realize the problem that DemonzLunchBreak is trying to explain to me. I really didn't give any truly good objective reason on why the PS3 was so much better, and was pretty much giving everyone on the forums a chance to step all over me and my gaming beliefs when I posted this topic. We all have our beliefs, but if we can't put our money where our mouth is, then they are worthless.

It is for these reasons that I humbly and peacefully propose a truce between all us console gamers. Do the parties under question accept this offer?
But that would ruin the whole purpose of the debate forum! :P

Nah, but seriously, that's just about what I was going to post before you said that. It really all depends on your personal preferences; personally, I like the Wii for the Mario games, Brawl, general multiplayer, and the fact that it's compatible with GameCube games. Also, I hate the motion control, but I can just plug in my GameCube controller instead, so it doesn't matter.
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Postby PALEMOON » 2009.02.14 (19:13)

i think we can basically end this discussion by saying they're all great and you should pick the one you like.

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Postby Awesome67 » 2009.02.14 (19:20)

PALEMOON wrote:i think we can basically end this discussion by saying they're all great and you should pick the one you like.
Well, then you know which one's mine.
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Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2009.02.14 (21:15)

I think I can safely ignore all previous input in this thread (for the reason Tanner mentioned, really), and dump this little gem before I skedaddle:
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2009.02.14 (21:27)

The Wii and the Playstation 3 are the best, and this is because they serve different purposes.

The Wii is cheap, fun, nearly unbreakable, and has a lot of first party support. It lets me play all of my old favorite games, like Link to the Past, as well as a lot of good new ones by Nintendo. And Nintendo are God-damn good gamemakers. On the other hand, I've seen twenty games that weren't made by Nintendo that were truly good; the third-party game makers of today either don't take the Wii seriously enough or don't know how to make games for it.

On the other hand, the PS3 is expensive. Like a motherfucker. Not really that expensive, when you consider it can play BluRay DVD's, and a good BluRay player is hard to find, but it is expensive. It certainly trumps any other console in it's ability to play BluRays. It is the -most- powerful of the three consoles, and I've heard that a lot of developers don't take advantage of that power. Look at Metal Gear Solid, a native title, which has ridiculous graphics, amazing cinematics, and hours of content. Then look at a game that was made for the X360 and the PS3, like, I dunno, Spiderman: Web of Shadows, and it isn't playing to the PS3's tune at all.

Next: We have free online. Even if my console cost more, the thirty dollars you have to pay a year just to do something basic like play games online is hard to believe. That's why it bugs me when you talk about your larger, better community filled with more hardcore gamers. You have more people, yes, but you're paying to have more people. Do you get that? I've never played a game of Call of Duty 4 that wasn't instantly filled with folk, and yet, I hear constantly that there's a much lager XBOX community, and I'm wondering how that effects your game experience.

Oh, yeah. And that's free -wireless- online.

Now, I've had an Xbox 360 in the past. I've kept it in one place, well aired. I've never moved the console when it was on. I've never done any of those things they recommend against. My XBOX 360 has scratched three of my game discs. All three are still playable, although one occasionally stops being able to read the disc. And moving past the disc-scratching, it's Red Ring'd of Death'd. Cancel your Xbox live subscription, kids, because you don't have an XBOX 360 for eight weeks while they repair it. (And I did get it back on the Eighth week.)

It just seems like a rushed system that can develop problems without anybody doing anything. The PS3's got bricked back when there was a bad update for them, but you know how long it took to fix them? Three weeks. So, for three weeks I didn't have a PS3, but I also didn't pay the company that is responsible any free money over that time.

And finally, if you play video games so much that you can fully experience forty video games in a year, then I'm impressed. I would estimate that's how many quality games come out for both systems that get this rep from the XBOX 360 crowd that they "never have any good games".

Oh, and Microsoft has a ridiculous rule that says no additional content for a video game can be free. DLC for Left 4 Dead, stuff that should have been included in the original game? That's going to cost XBOX gamers while the PC enjoys freebieness.
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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.02.14 (22:03)

Okay, the red-ring-of-death trick is just clichéd and unoriginal now. Admittedly, it was a massive problem. But now, after some hardware tweaks for the new version, components have been changed so the red-ring doesn't occur often if at all. Before, stuff melted inside, which was piss-annoying, but after the new tweaks with the 60GB this shouldn't happen as often, and I've hardly seen any massive complaints since the new release.

Besides that, when my Xbox bricked (yes, I do know what's going on first hand) Microsoft had an excellent response. There were some phone calls made, I dropped the console off at GAME and they exchanged it for free right at the store. Honestly, I expected the response to be a lot worse despite my opinion of Microsoft, but they really impressed. Of course, it could just be me, but they seemed to respond really well to any brickings to be had.

I just don't think the red-ring is an excuse for not buying a console, at least anymore. I wouldn't have thought about it anyways, but meh.

/redringrant

EDIT: Spiderman games have and always will be crap imo. I'd have referenced something with a similar budget and pedigree, like Gears Of War 2, idk. That would be more suited imo, just because I hate Spiderman games.
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Postby Awesome67 » 2009.02.14 (22:06)

Tsukatu wrote:I think I can safely ignore all previous input in this thread (for the reason Tanner mentioned, really), and dump this little gem before I skedaddle:
You truly disgust me...
That was pretty assholey, Tsukatu. Now I know you're all insulting me.

If anyone who's reading this didn't see Tsukatu's "little gem", it's a little farther up the page.
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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.02.14 (22:19)

[flamebait]I don't think you're an asshole Awesome67! :D[/flamebait]

Also, Tsukatu's always like that, from my limited knowledge. Nothing personal, I'm sure he found it on the internet and thought it was ironic in your interpretation.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2009.02.14 (22:35)

GTM wrote:Okay, the red-ring-of-death trick is just clichéd and unoriginal now. Admittedly, it was a massive problem. But now, after some hardware tweaks for the new version, components have been changed so the red-ring doesn't occur often if at all. Before, stuff melted inside, which was piss-annoying, but after the new tweaks with the 60GB this shouldn't happen as often, and I've hardly seen any massive complaints since the new release.

Besides that, when my Xbox bricked (yes, I do know what's going on first hand) Microsoft had an excellent response. There were some phone calls made, I dropped the console off at GAME and they exchanged it for free right at the store. Honestly, I expected the response to be a lot worse despite my opinion of Microsoft, but they really impressed. Of course, it could just be me, but they seemed to respond really well to any brickings to be had.

I just don't think the red-ring is an excuse for not buying a console, at least anymore. I wouldn't have thought about it anyways, but meh.

/redringrant

EDIT: Spiderman games have and always will be crap imo. I'd have referenced something with a similar budget and pedigree, like Gears Of War 2, idk. That would be more suited imo, just because I hate Spiderman games.

Gears of War 2 isn't the comparison I was trying to make... I was pointing out a cross-platform game and trying to show how developers favor the XBOX 360 because they limit themselves for that hardware, rather than taking full advantage of the PS3.

I think having a machine that breaks down is an excuse not to buy the console. I'm not going to buy a new one because this one breaks.
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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.02.14 (22:49)

Usually you don't have to buy a new one, the warranty was extended to three years, so that shouldn't be a problem for most people. But fair enough, if it breaks down without warranty, then obviously you would want a different console in that circumstance. Also, whoops about the spiderman thing, I thought you were comparing exclusives to exclusives, but I see your point now. I guess developers favor the 360 because the cheaper specs mean lower costs and larger audiences, idk.
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