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Postby smartalco » 2010.12.08 (21:16)

I didn't really have a problem with wikileaks until they went and did this shit. How does that help anyone?
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Postby Tanner » 2010.12.08 (21:48)

smartalco wrote:I didn't really have a problem with wikileaks until they went and did this shit. How does that help anyone?
I was under the impression that Wikileaks isn't trying to help anyone, per se. They just put out information. That is information. They put it out.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.12.08 (22:03)

smartalco wrote:I didn't really have a problem with wikileaks until they went and did this shit. How does that help anyone?

I didn't really have a problem with [people knowing the truth] until they went and [learned truths I don't want them to know].
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Postby Tanner » 2010.12.08 (22:41)

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smartalco wrote:I didn't really have a problem with wikileaks until they went and did this shit. How does that help anyone?
I didn't really have a problem with [people knowing the truth] until they went and [learned truths I don't want them to know].
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Postby Vyacheslav » 2010.12.08 (22:45)

They managed to put down Mastercard and Visa's websites for a while today.
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Postby Tanner » 2010.12.08 (23:40)

oeuvre wrote:They managed to put down Mastercard and Visa's websites for a while today.
By "they" Pavel means 4chan.
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Postby Big Bird » 2010.12.09 (00:42)

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:Speaking of which, anyone else read this article about how America will collapse in a few decades?

I'm thinkin' I'm going to finish up my Bachelor's and then consider getting my PhD in the US before bailing to the UK or Canada (but probably Canada).
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Postby smartalco » 2010.12.09 (01:05)

=w= wrote:
smartalco wrote:I didn't really have a problem with wikileaks until they went and did this shit. How does that help anyone?
I didn't really have a problem with [people knowing the truth] until they went and [learned truths I don't want them to know].
I didn't really have a problem with [people knowing truths that could potentially help lead to government reform] until they went and [learned things that can only have a negative impact].
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Postby Tanner » 2010.12.09 (01:10)

smartalco wrote:I didn't really have a problem with [people knowing truths that could potentially help lead to government reform] until they went and [learned things that can only have a negative impact].
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Postby krusch » 2010.12.09 (01:43)

peking wrote:After some deliberation, I've come up with two reasons to support Wikileaks—the second one is the most important in terms of defending the practical effects of the release of classified information.

Wikileaks merely distributes the information; if anyone is going to be charged with a criminal act, it should be whoever originally obtained the classified information and gave it to Wikileaks. Wikileaks is merely a publisher, just as the newspapers are, and to criminalise this would be to set a terrible precedent that would essentially kill serious journalism.

Furthermore, if this information has ended up on Wikileaks, it is probably relatively easy to access. That is to say, if there was someone with access who was prepared to take the personal risk to release this information to Wikileaks, there are most likely others with access who would give away this information after being bribed or threatened or if they were motivated by a radical ideology. It is thoroughly possible that terrorists and other nefarious figures already have this information. By bringing it to wider public scrutiny, Wikileaks could well be making things safer by removing the illusion of security through obscurity and bringing potential vulnerabilities and issues (as well as, you know, the truth) to light.
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Postby Heartattack » 2010.12.09 (14:33)

Smartalco's article wrote:While Mr. Assange is already evading detainment on Swedish rape charges in Iceland
Is this verifiable? Because to me it smells a lot like propaganda. The whole article had a mud slinging air to it.
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Postby 乳头的早餐谷物 » 2010.12.09 (14:39)

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Smartalco's article wrote:While Mr. Assange is already evading detainment on Swedish rape charges in Iceland
Is this verifiable? Because to me it smells a lot like propaganda. The whole article had a mud slinging air to it.
He presented himself to British police and is currently being held in detention, so yeah, hardly evading.
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Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2010.12.09 (15:28)

reventronium wrote:He presented himself to British police and is currently being held in detention, so yeah, hardly evading.
If you ask me, this was a bad move on his part. He's going to get his ass assassinated.
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Postby Tanner » 2010.12.09 (18:33)

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Postby Heartattack » 2010.12.09 (19:06)

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Postby SkyPanda » 2010.12.09 (20:06)

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm

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"The theme for next year’s commemoration will be 21st Century Media: New Frontiers, New Barriers. The United States places technology and innovation at the forefront of its diplomatic and development efforts. New media has empowered citizens around the world to report on their circumstances, express opinions on world events, and exchange information in environments sometimes hostile to such exercises of individuals’ right to freedom of expression. At the same time, we are concerned about the determination of some governments to censor and silence individuals, and to restrict the free flow of information. We mark events such as World Press Freedom Day in the context of our enduring commitment to support and expand press freedom and the free flow of information in this digital age."

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Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2010.12.09 (21:17)

Ah, shit. I just realized I could've said "assassinate Assange's ass."
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Postby otters~1 » 2010.12.10 (02:13)

The rape charge is, indeed, something similar being overblown. Is this a brilliant move on Assange's part to get the Wikileaks leak itself out of the limelight, or was he just horny for Swedes?
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Postby squibbles » 2010.12.10 (16:28)

g-knobe wrote:EDIT: It's a good damn thing Assange raped someone, else the warrant might never have been issued. At least he'll be tried for something. Meanwhile, terrorists who now know exactly where are undersea communications lines are, will destroy them. What a world.
Yeah, so sliding backwards a little bit here in the discussion, but really? Do you realise what you just said?

You just acknowledged that in the eyes of the law no crime had been committed, so it's good that something unrelated had happened so that he could come to some presumed justice for his not-illegal-acts. You flagrantly just supported peversion of the law, and dubious acts that are not out of place in a 90's cop film.

"Look, we're sure he's a dealer, so let's just plant the evidence and work from there."

I am stunned, because that seems to be quite an abomination of logic, right there.
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Postby Heartattack » 2010.12.10 (16:35)

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:Ah, shit. I just realized I could've said "assassinate Assange's ass."
You would have gained an ass but lost the ass combo.
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Postby Heartattack » 2010.12.10 (22:53)

Also, I just saw this:
"Journalists don't uncover information about what the government does behind closed doors. They report it when someone else does, and then that person is declared a terrorist." - Stephen Colbert on Julian Assange
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.12.10 (23:06)

Heartattack wrote:Also, I just saw this:
"Journalists don't uncover information about what the government does behind closed doors. They report it when someone else does, and then that person is declared a terrorist." - Stephen Colbert on Julian Assange

That was John Stewart, I'm pretty sure.

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Postby scythe » 2010.12.11 (04:23)

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Postby otters~1 » 2010.12.11 (05:42)

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g-knobe wrote:EDIT: It's a good damn thing Assange raped someone, else the warrant might never have been issued. At least he'll be tried for something. Meanwhile, terrorists who now know exactly where are undersea communications lines are, will destroy them. What a world.
Yeah, so sliding backwards a little bit here in the discussion, but really? Do you realise what you just said?

You just acknowledged that in the eyes of the law no crime had been committed, so it's good that something unrelated had happened so that he could come to some presumed justice for his not-illegal-acts. You flagrantly just supported peversion of the law, and dubious acts that are not out of place in a 90's cop film.
Yes, I did. You are taking me too seriously in this particular case, seeing as I really, really doubt he actually raped whoever they said he did.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.12.11 (18:29)

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squibbles wrote:
g-knobe wrote:EDIT: It's a good damn thing Assange raped someone, else the warrant might never have been issued. At least he'll be tried for something. Meanwhile, terrorists who now know exactly where are undersea communications lines are, will destroy them. What a world.
Yeah, so sliding backwards a little bit here in the discussion, but really? Do you realise what you just said?

You just acknowledged that in the eyes of the law no crime had been committed, so it's good that something unrelated had happened so that he could come to some presumed justice for his not-illegal-acts. You flagrantly just supported peversion of the law, and dubious acts that are not out of place in a 90's cop film.
Yes, I did. You are taking me too seriously in this particular case, seeing as I really, really doubt he actually raped whoever they said he did.
Actually, I think that he is taking you exactly right, bro. If you don't think he raped the girl, then you are hoping that he gets arrested for something he didn't do so that he can be silenced.
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