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Postby otters~1 » 2010.12.11 (20:33)

=w= wrote:Actually, I think that he is taking you exactly right, bro. If you don't think he raped the girl, then you are hoping that he gets arrested for something he didn't do so that he can be silenced.
I do hope this. (Although I obviously believe his real crimes to be more than enough to put him in jail for years.) It may be wrong, but it's practical. To use squibbles' example, if you know a guy deals weed, but you can't catch him in the act, plant some shit on him and raid his house.

I would make an exceedingly bad cop. But there aren't any good cops in Austin, anyway.
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Postby scythe » 2010.12.11 (20:44)

You're forgetting that criminals in Sweden get sent to Swedish resort prison with free Internet and nice beds. I don't think that would silence anyone.

Shit, it's on my list of things to do sometime, break the law in Sweden.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.12.11 (21:11)

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=w= wrote:Actually, I think that he is taking you exactly right, bro. If you don't think he raped the girl, then you are hoping that he gets arrested for something he didn't do so that he can be silenced.
I do hope this. (Although I obviously believe his real crimes to be more than enough to put him in jail for years.) It may be wrong, but it's practical. To use squibbles' example, if you know a guy deals weed, but you can't catch him in the act, plant some shit on him and raid his house.

I would make an exceedingly bad cop. But there aren't any good cops in Austin, anyway.

Don't get me wrong. I hate laws that protect criminals. But what makes this so drastically different from planting weed on a known drug dealer is this is more like what could happen if those laws that protect criminals weren't there; i.e. planting weed on innocent people.

Julian Assange has not commited a crime, unless he raped a bitch. But I guess that there ought to be limits to freedom...
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Postby otters~1 » 2010.12.11 (22:50)

=w= wrote: Don't get me wrong. I hate laws that protect criminals. But what makes this so drastically different from planting weed on a known drug dealer is this is more like what could happen if those laws that protect criminals weren't there; i.e. planting weed on innocent people.

Julian Assange has not commited a crime, unless he raped a bitch. But I guess that there ought to be limits to freedom...
I don't know law very well, but consorting with people who have committed crimes (the sources themselves), and aiding them etc. surely makes him some sort of accomplice?

Of course, that's what Woodward and what's his face did, essentially. Huh. I think I'll read up on this and see what little technicality type thingies Assange could be charged with.
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Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2010.12.12 (01:42)

g-knobe wrote:I think I'll read up on this and see what little technicality type thingies Assange could be charged with.
According to the US State Department, absolutely nothing.
Although cockbags like Joe Lieberman are inexplicably trying to get him tried for treason against the US.
(Heh, and Sarah Palin called him "un-American". Wonkette put it best: "Yes, it is un-American. Because he is not an American. That adjective does not apply to him, and it never has, so it doesn’t really hurt him when you say he has lost it, ma’am.")
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.12.12 (02:52)

Unamerican is practically a badge of honor. Like the Westboro Baptist Church saying you are a sinner. It just means your often sane behaviour is notable.
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Postby Heartattack » 2010.12.13 (14:38)

=w= wrote:
Heartattack wrote:Also, I just saw this:
"Journalists don't uncover information about what the government does behind closed doors. They report it when someone else does, and then that person is declared a terrorist." - Stephen Colbert on Julian Assange

That was John Stewart, I'm pretty sure.

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Steven Colbert, actually.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.12.13 (16:17)

Heartattack wrote:
=w= wrote:
Heartattack wrote:Also, I just saw this:
"Journalists don't uncover information about what the government does behind closed doors. They report it when someone else does, and then that person is declared a terrorist." - Stephen Colbert on Julian Assange

That was John Stewart, I'm pretty sure.

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Steven Colbert, actually.
Rewatched the eps, you are right. Soz.
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Postby otters~1 » 2010.12.15 (03:19)

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flag wrote:I would make an exceedingly bad cop. But there aren't any good cops in Austin, anyway.
Or in Texas, for that matter.
This was driven home for me rather unfortunately last night. Fucking asshole.
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Postby squibbles » 2010.12.23 (08:51)

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Tsukatu wrote:I don't know what it is, squibbles, but my brain keeps inserting "black" into random parts of your posts these days.
I totally just read that as, "I'd hate to be the only black guy stuck using v1.4."
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Postby Combo Bustperson » 2011.01.08 (23:29)

The idea that wikileaks represents, which is to say a government that shares what it's doing, will be doing, and has done, is a great idea that should be supported. But the way in which they go about trying to achieve this idea, blackmail and destabilization, is really bad.
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Postby squibbles » 2011.01.08 (23:57)

Quote wrote:The idea that wikileaks represents, which is to say a government that shares what it's doing, will be doing, and has done, is a great idea that should be supported. But the way in which they go about trying to achieve this idea, blackmail and destabilization, is really bad.
There isn't blackmail on the wikileaks side of things though. What the informants do is their own buisness, and Assange has no ability to control that.

Also, other than what is being done already, I cannot really see any alternatives that reach the same goal.
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Tsukatu wrote:I don't know what it is, squibbles, but my brain keeps inserting "black" into random parts of your posts these days.
I totally just read that as, "I'd hate to be the only black guy stuck using v1.4."
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2011.01.08 (23:58)

squibbles wrote:
Quote wrote:The idea that wikileaks represents, which is to say a government that shares what it's doing, will be doing, and has done, is a great idea that should be supported. But the way in which they go about trying to achieve this idea, blackmail and destabilization, is really bad.
There isn't blackmail on the wikileaks side of things though. What the informants do is their own buisness, and Assange has no ability to control that.

Also, other than what is being done already, I cannot really see any alternatives that reach the same goal.

There was very clearly blackmail on the side of Wikileaks...
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Postby squibbles » 2011.01.09 (03:15)

SlappyMcGee wrote:
squibbles wrote:
Quote wrote:The idea that wikileaks represents, which is to say a government that shares what it's doing, will be doing, and has done, is a great idea that should be supported. But the way in which they go about trying to achieve this idea, blackmail and destabilization, is really bad.
There isn't blackmail on the wikileaks side of things though. What the informants do is their own buisness, and Assange has no ability to control that.

Also, other than what is being done already, I cannot really see any alternatives that reach the same goal.

There was very clearly blackmail on the side of Wikileaks...
...seriously? Then how is anyone having this much difficulty prosecuting Assange?

I just kind of assumed that he himself was doing nothing but reporting what he was given, despite that information being obtained through dubious means. :/
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Tsukatu wrote:I don't know what it is, squibbles, but my brain keeps inserting "black" into random parts of your posts these days.
I totally just read that as, "I'd hate to be the only black guy stuck using v1.4."
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