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- Maxwell Smart
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As you know, the default user levels coming with Nv1.4 are mostly pretty poor. I was wondering, is the default mappack up for a change? The mapping scene has evolved by heaps from the old times. (Ofcourse, I don't know if this is done by Metanet staff themself) New package with 100 - 150 maps could be excellent, and could also be really good mappack for old users to have too.
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This isn't my mappack, so it's not going to go to Mappacks forum.
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If you're suggesting a new 80s column and new default userlevels, I approve. Definitely something user-chosen.
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I don't like the idea of changing the 80's column (they'll probably make another column or two that are user-created anyway), but I definitely would like to see the default userlevels changed.
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N could totally be bundled with zenith/vehemence thing packs! they were quality. or maybe a best of, due to the sheer number of maps in those packs
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I'm not sure I think this is a good idea.
Modern maps are easy to find in current authors favourites lists and the featured archive, the userlevels as they are currently give players a chance to delve into the history of user created levels, something they probably wouldn't do on their own accord.
Zenith and Vehemence are far too prominent to double up in this way, MoA will be too I'm sure. If it were to be done, it shouldn't be from packs that would be too restricted to a group of certain authors, it should be done like the Sublime contest or the dronies: submit other people's maps with some kind of panel or community voting.
Modern maps are easy to find in current authors favourites lists and the featured archive, the userlevels as they are currently give players a chance to delve into the history of user created levels, something they probably wouldn't do on their own accord.
Zenith and Vehemence are far too prominent to double up in this way, MoA will be too I'm sure. If it were to be done, it shouldn't be from packs that would be too restricted to a group of certain authors, it should be done like the Sublime contest or the dronies: submit other people's maps with some kind of panel or community voting.
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This.MAXXXON wrote:I don't like the idea of changing the 80's column (they'll probably make another column or two that are user-created anyway), but I definitely would like to see the default userlevels changed.
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Let's make sure everyone understands what we're talking about.
The Classic mode, AFAIK, will contain the original userlevels. Why would we change that?
Standard mode (i.e. v1.5 mode) is probably NOT going to be the original userlevels with the new v1.5 gaming mechanics, for several reasons. It seems to me that at least some new maingame levels are going to be made, and I would personally suggest that a whole new maingame be put together.
Also, I agree with atob that there should be at least a section of usermade maps, and those should be selected with another SUBLIME-like contest, where M&R release a v1.5 editor and anyone can have a go. That would be awesome.
Miscellaneous other concerns:
(2) MOA is not exactly restricted anymore. It hasn't been for quite some time. Yeah, you still have to sign up for it separately from N and NUMA, and no, they aren't just going to take in random noobs, but everyone else is very much welcome!
(3) What is wrong with being prominent? Isn't that exactly the kind of thing we're looking for here? If we are going to take from a pre-existing pool of maps to make a maingame pack, we shouldn't rule things out because they're too prominent. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with choosing non-prominent maps, but there is a wide sampling of community reaction to more prominent maps, and with less prominent maps, well, maybe the person vouching for them thinks they're cool, but maybe that person is in the minority. There is no way of knowing, due to lack of exposure.
The Classic mode, AFAIK, will contain the original userlevels. Why would we change that?
Standard mode (i.e. v1.5 mode) is probably NOT going to be the original userlevels with the new v1.5 gaming mechanics, for several reasons. It seems to me that at least some new maingame levels are going to be made, and I would personally suggest that a whole new maingame be put together.
Also, I agree with atob that there should be at least a section of usermade maps, and those should be selected with another SUBLIME-like contest, where M&R release a v1.5 editor and anyone can have a go. That would be awesome.
Miscellaneous other concerns:
(1) In SUBLIME, people submitted their own maps.a happy song wrote:Zenith and Vehemence are far too prominent to double up in this way, MoA will be too I'm sure. If it were to be done, it shouldn't be from packs that would be too restricted to a group of certain authors, it should be done like the Sublime contest or the dronies: submit other people's maps with some kind of panel or community voting.
(2) MOA is not exactly restricted anymore. It hasn't been for quite some time. Yeah, you still have to sign up for it separately from N and NUMA, and no, they aren't just going to take in random noobs, but everyone else is very much welcome!
(3) What is wrong with being prominent? Isn't that exactly the kind of thing we're looking for here? If we are going to take from a pre-existing pool of maps to make a maingame pack, we shouldn't rule things out because they're too prominent. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with choosing non-prominent maps, but there is a wide sampling of community reaction to more prominent maps, and with less prominent maps, well, maybe the person vouching for them thinks they're cool, but maybe that person is in the minority. There is no way of knowing, due to lack of exposure.
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I meant the default user levels yes, but if 80s column is to be made, ofcourse someone needs to organize that too.
I think that maps to the new user levels have to be non-pack maps. Maps in packs may go for some specific theme / may be obscure. Difficulty is also a thing to consider. We need some good challenging maps, but some easier maps could also function. As for the spread of the maps, could this type work (all figures around numbers)?
85 action maps
15 puzzle maps
15 race maps
5 N-arts
10 DDAs
20 "hard" maps (meaning really, really tough maps that are really really hard, that provide challenge to even the most experienced N-players)
= 150 maps
This kind of spread ofviously has way more puzzles and races than before, but I think it is acceptable. I've lowered down N-arts and removed experimentals, and there aren't too much hard maps either.
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If anyone has any ideas who could / would / should organize this, post.
I think that maps to the new user levels have to be non-pack maps. Maps in packs may go for some specific theme / may be obscure. Difficulty is also a thing to consider. We need some good challenging maps, but some easier maps could also function. As for the spread of the maps, could this type work (all figures around numbers)?
85 action maps
15 puzzle maps
15 race maps
5 N-arts
10 DDAs
20 "hard" maps (meaning really, really tough maps that are really really hard, that provide challenge to even the most experienced N-players)
= 150 maps
This kind of spread ofviously has way more puzzles and races than before, but I think it is acceptable. I've lowered down N-arts and removed experimentals, and there aren't too much hard maps either.
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If anyone has any ideas who could / would / should organize this, post.
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You mean you didn't like tower loop? I'll admit the watery-thing with the doors was annoying, but still...koipen wrote: I've lowered down N-arts and removed experimentals, and there aren't too much hard maps either.
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Oh, you actually did mean that. So, uh, why are we making a new maingame for the old play mode? One new maingame isn't going to be enough? And if you want to play good 1.4 maps, I don't think NUMA's database will be going anywhere.koipen wrote:I meant the default user levels yes, but if 80s column is to be made, ofcourse someone needs to organize that too.
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We asked them long ago to include Legacy in its final form (Anthology) along with v1.4 or v1.5, and they refused emphatically. So, sorry, but it's not likely to happen. =/SkyPanda wrote:N could totally be bundled with zenith/vehemence thing packs! they were quality. or maybe a best of, due to the sheer number of maps in those packs
Also, Vehemence sucked my ballsack as far as map quality goes. It was an undertaking, sure, but putting 1100 bad maps into the game just wouldn't be right.
I would volunteer, but I'm quite obviously extremely biased and even though I'm probably the most qualified, I just don't have the time.
Also, keep in mind, that v1.4 is from the early days of the community. NUMA didn't even have 10,000 maps, let alone 20 times that.
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Tower Loop didn't work. And ofcourse the roster of maps should be as diverse as possible. For example, DDAs should contain some hold-rights / hold-lefts, KRADDAs, and maps with different propulsions.Tox1k wrote:You mean you didn't like tower loop? I'll admit the watery-thing with the doors was annoying, but still...koipen wrote: I've lowered down N-arts and removed experimentals, and there aren't too much hard maps either.
Oh, and survivals too.
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We should have a big contest themed Episodic, for a really long time like maybe 2 months, with unlimited submissions, and the top 100 in the end will be added to 1.5 as like a "column 8"
I'd honestly rather have this kind of thing than just plunking in MoA because a lot of good mappers either don't know about MoA or have given up submitting things to MoA.
I'd honestly rather have this kind of thing than just plunking in MoA because a lot of good mappers either don't know about MoA or have given up submitting things to MoA.
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You might be a newer member, but this is a fucking great idea. I'm bringing this up to the Admins and you're getting fifty gold stars.njitsu wrote:We should have a big contest themed Episodic, for a really long time like maybe 2 months, with unlimited submissions, and the top 100 in the end will be added to 1.5 as like a "column 8"
I'd honestly rather have this kind of thing than just plunking in MoA because a lot of good mappers either don't know about MoA or have given up submitting things to MoA.
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Two points.
One: the original set of userlevels was pretty damn good.
Two: "prominent" maps to us are not going to be prominent to the majority of the players of v1.5.
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One: the original set of userlevels was pretty damn good.
Two: "prominent" maps to us are not going to be prominent to the majority of the players of v1.5.
EDIT: ska that's awesome.
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how are you doing this? by playing every single map on Numa?ska wrote:I'm half-way through compiling a "Best of N" column/map pack that spans from numa's genesis to today...
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