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Postby shomman » 2015.12.20 (05:51)

Hey Macro, I think you should reorganise the Original Post's categories of players. 5 categories of people who played and already at Great Grandfolk seems like a short term way to go.
Generic Numbers seems a bit boring, I don't have any great suggestions though. Pack of cards maybe? Military Ranks?
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Postby lifdoff » 2015.12.26 (21:40)

Took this week's map from jp. Great Grandfolk, here I am!
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Postby macrohenry » 2016.01.03 (23:41)

Now that Christmas is over, the new year has begun and a decent number of players has submitted runs for the previous map I think it's about time to announce the next one:

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"OUTER DX 02-3: If you're small and on a search" by DW40
Suggested by Aidiera. :)

I expect some really interesting routes and lots of thwump tricks here. Good luck!


shomman wrote:Hey Macro, I think you should reorganise the Original Post's categories of players. 5 categories of people who played and already at Great Grandfolk seems like a short term way to go.
Generic Numbers seems a bit boring, I don't have any great suggestions though. Pack of cards maybe? Military Ranks?

Good point, shomman. I guess that a native English speaker could come up with much more original titles for the categories than me but of course suggestions by anyone are welcome.
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Postby shomman » 2016.01.04 (01:51)

Good map this week. Did a quick speedrun.
Also, here's a proposed system. I haven't designated corresponding Total score amounts, I can do that in a couple days Edited to include proposed score milestones that would get you these ranks:


Emperor - Cumulative score over 7500
King - Cumulative score over 7000
Archduke - Cumulative score over 6500
Grand Duke - Cumulative score over 6000
Grand Prince - Cumulative score over 5500
Prince - Cumulative score over 5000
Duke - Cumulative score over 4500
Marquis - Cumulative score over 4000
Earl - Cumulative score over 3500
Count - Cumulative score over 3000
Viscount - Cumulative score over 2500
Baron - Cumulative score over 2000
Knight - Cumulative score over 1500
Esquire - Cumulative score over 1000
Gentlemen - Cumulative score over 500
Peasant - Cumulative score over 100
Stowaways - People who participated in the contest without knowing it

Let me know what you think.
I think it's big, and future proof enough :)
Also, perhaps don't add them all to the first post, because it'll take up a lot of space. Maybe you could, in a spoiler, but otherwise maybe just one or two above the current highest.
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Postby Mohit_Ghune » 2016.01.04 (18:08)

Nice work by shomman :D
Implement this, macro!

Btw, I beat you in AGD. :P
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Postby EddyMataGallos » 2016.01.04 (18:56)

I think the problem is that scores vary too much with each map. That means that if you miss a single map it's already very hard to catch up unless there're tons of maps available. And the ranges are so wide that, as long as you play all maps, you'll be in the top one already, without a need to polish your runs. If the ranges were smaller this would be solved but on the other hand it would then have the consequence that they would be pretty short, i.e., players would be there for a week and then skip to the next one, or maybe even skip a whole rank.

Right now (500 seconds) it only lasts 2-4 maps depending on the scores, which already seems quite short to me, as this "rank" thing is something that I'd ideally expect to last tons of weeks until you finally get promoted, and so it would really be an achievement to be satisfied with, and truly a neverending contest. This can't be done I think, because the difference between a 0th run and a poor run is very little (a matter of a few seconds maybe) compared to the huge difference between playing or not playing a map (usually over 100 seconds, even 200), which encourages quantity over quality.

I'm not complaining just making an observation regarding the ranking system :P I like shom's suggestion on defining tons of ranks for a long time.
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Hi, im Eddy, a Spanish highscorer and current Grandmaster of N. I've been playing N since 2006, I beat it on the 8th September 2008, and NReality later too. Started intermittently highscoring Metanet in 2010, although serious highscoring started in late 2011.

Current Stats
• Completed N on 8th Sept. 2008
• Completed NReality on 24th Dec. 2010
0th Place on Metanet 0th Rankings with 443 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Top20 Rankings with 599 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Top10 Rankings with 599 Scores.
1st Place on Metanet Top5 Rankings with 595 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Level 0th Rankings with 361 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Episode 0th Rankings with 82 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Total Level Score: 72142.900 (20:02:22.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Episode Score: 35669.900 (09:54:29.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Point Rankings with 11669 Points.
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0th Place for a grand total of 676 Total 0ths.
• Winner of some contests (BUST, 100, 9000, Bounty Hunters, SOAST) and of some rounds of some contests (ROPP, NErratic, Red Ball, NReality Team Arena)

{Info as of 01/Feb/2015} The info may be outdated.

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• 6th highscorer to reach 100 Metanet 0ths
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• 1st and only highscorer to reach 400 Metanet 0ths
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• 2nd* highscorer to reach 599 top-20 Scores
• 1st highscorer to reach 599 top-10 Scores
• 10th highscorer to reach 70k Level Score
• 5th highscorer to reach 71k Level Score
• 2nd highscorer to reach 71.5k Level Score
• 1st highscorer to reach 72k Level Score

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• First 0th: 31-3 on 04/Oct/10
• Reached 100 Metanet 0ths on 25/Feb/12
• Reached 200 Metanet 0ths on 30/Sep/12
• Reached 300 Metanet 0ths on 16/Mar/13
• Reached 400 Metanet 0ths on 04/Sept/14
• Reached highest amount of 0ths on Jan/2013
• Became the Grandmaster on 12/Apr/2012
• Reached 70k Level Score on 25/Dec/11
• Reached 71k Level Score on 13/Jan/11
• Reached 71.5k Level Score on 01/Aug/12
• Reached 72k Level Score on 04/Jul/14
• Completed N 1.4 on 08/Sept/08
• Completed NReality on 24/Dec/10
• Reached 100 NReality 0ths on Oct/2011
• Reached 200 NReality 0ths on Nov/2011
• Reached 100 Top-20 Scores on Aug/10
• Reached 200 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 300 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 400 Top-20 Scores on Dec/11
• Reached 500 Top-20 Scores on Jan/12
• Reached 599 Top-20 Scores on 04/Apr/12
• Reached 599 Top-10 Scores on 18/Nov/12

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Postby macrohenry » 2016.01.04 (20:48)

EddyMataGallos wrote:I think the problem is that scores vary too much with each map. That means that if you miss a single map it's already very hard to catch up unless there're tons of maps available. And the ranges are so wide that, as long as you play all maps, you'll be in the top one already, without a need to polish your runs. If the ranges were smaller this would be solved but on the other hand it would then have the consequence that they would be pretty short, i.e., players would be there for a week and then skip to the next one, or maybe even skip a whole rank.

Right now (500 seconds) it only lasts 2-4 maps depending on the scores, which already seems quite short to me, as this "rank" thing is something that I'd ideally expect to last tons of weeks until you finally get promoted, and so it would really be an achievement to be satisfied with, and truly a neverending contest. This can't be done I think, because the difference between a 0th run and a poor run is very little (a matter of a few seconds maybe) compared to the huge difference between playing or not playing a map (usually over 100 seconds, even 200), which encourages quantity over quality.

I'm not complaining just making an observation regarding the ranking system :P I like shom's suggestion on defining tons of ranks for a long time.

I thought about that too and I came up with the following idea: The ratio between your total score and the highest one in the competition defines in which category you find yourself. Categories could be:
0% to 49%,
50% to 79%,
80% to 89%,
90% to 94%,
95% to 98%
99% to 100% of the highest cumulative score in the competition.
(The players' percentages are rounded up or down depending on the first decimal place.)

Like that you can get into good categories even if you have missed one or two maps but if you aim for the best category you really need to make an effort and submit good runs.
However, I see two problems:
1.) It's possible for a player to drop to a lower category which wouldn't go well with the original "Climb" idea.
2.) The higher the total scores rise the more insignificant it becomes if your runs are good and you could get into a good category just by submitting mediocre runs on all the maps.

I hope the idea and the problems became clear. After all, it was just an idea that came into my mind. Discuss.


@shomman: I like that! If we stick to the original system I'll accept your suggestions. :)
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Postby shomman » 2016.01.05 (00:42)

That's quite a clever idea macro. In regards to your points,
1) I don't think this is too bad a problem. People still climb :)
2) This seems to undermine it a little bit.

@Eddy, I see your point. I guess part of the main achievement would be getting those ranks earliest as well.

I'm struggling to think of any better options. I don't know which I prefer. Macro's might be a little confusing, I don't know. The original was simpler.
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Postby lifdoff » 2016.01.08 (21:30)

I prefer shomman's suggestion to the percentage system, but in the end it's your call macro.
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Postby macrohenry » 2016.01.19 (19:40)

Alright, I used shomman's suggestion and updated the first post entirely. Thank you, shom. :)

Sorry for the delay but anyway, here's the new map:
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"Triple-Decker Cheeseburger" by mammaletto
suggested by lifdoff

Good luck. :)
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Postby macrohenry » 2016.01.31 (20:03)

214036
"Bees of the Future Wear Pants" by LouDog004
is the next map on your way to prestige. Have fun. :)
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