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Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.01.27 (05:35)
by ska
TheRealOne wrote: Edit2:
33-3

A low jump at the start after collecting the first batch of gold can save like 10 frames or so if done right. Not terribly difficult. Getting the right speed so that you can clear the second platform but still collect the gold can be a bit tricky.
Nifty! Might be a good one for Eddy to try in an episode run.

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.01.27 (12:29)
by jp27ace
ska wrote:
TheRealOne wrote: Edit2:
33-3

A low jump at the start after collecting the first batch of gold can save like 10 frames or so if done right. Not terribly difficult. Getting the right speed so that you can clear the second platform but still collect the gold can be a bit tricky.
Nifty! Might be a good one for Eddy to try in an episode run.
Just tied Eddy's 33-3 with a completely reversed route, it's slightly harder but I feel like it has more potential.

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.01.27 (14:34)
by ska
jp27ace wrote:
ska wrote:
TheRealOne wrote: Edit2:
33-3

A low jump at the start after collecting the first batch of gold can save like 10 frames or so if done right. Not terribly difficult. Getting the right speed so that you can clear the second platform but still collect the gold can be a bit tricky.
Nifty! Might be a good one for Eddy to try in an episode run.
Just tied Eddy's 33-3 with a completely reversed route, it's slightly harder but I feel like it has more potential.
Noice!
What about this?
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Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.01.30 (03:20)
by TheRealOne
67-4

Someone make this work. Then do it in a real run... That is all.



Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.01.30 (03:58)
by EddyMataGallos
I highly doubt that is possible unless you can get one of those absurd slope propulsions.

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.02.07 (03:43)
by TheRealOne
77-0

Golf and I were just brainstorming some ideas in IRC tonight. Here are two incomplete thoughts that came from that session. The first isn't super difficult in itself, but because of the time saved it requires a CJ/RCJ at the exit switch because of where the drone will be. The second is quite hard and because of how high you have to jump to get the right angle I am not sure you will actually net much if any time saved from skipping the WJ.



Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.02.07 (22:49)
by EddyMataGallos
Nice innovs, so the first one will most likely be enough to use the cj route as you mentioned. The second innov, Raif is already using it in his MBD, he doesn't jump any higher than normal, although then you have to control how the ninja bumps on the spike, but I think its doable, not sure how hard it is though.


Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.02.08 (01:32)
by TheRealOne
EddyMataGallos wrote:Nice innovs, so the first one will most likely be enough to use the cj route as you mentioned. The second innov, Raif is already using it in his MBD, he doesn't jump any higher than normal, although then you have to control how the ninja bumps on the spike, but I think its doable, not sure how hard it is though.

Yeah I am sure it is possible, but as far as real time is concerned after about 15 minutes of attempts I didn't get one where I AGD-ed and survived the fall through all 3 gold groups. And the lower your angle the hard it is. So I was speaking from a practicality standpoint.

As far as the triple jump innovation. I think for real time it would actually make sense to do this.

This is a double and no corner jump, so significantly easier. The only issue is that the double jump has to be faster than the current PJ route to beat the drone, but slow enough that the drone isn't too high up the left wall blocking the WJ used in this route otherwise the CJ is required.

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.02.08 (08:00)
by ska
EddyMataGallos wrote:Nice innovs, so the first one will most likely be enough to use the cj route as you mentioned. The second innov, Raif is already using it in his MBD, he doesn't jump any higher than normal, although then you have to control how the ninja bumps on the spike, but I think its doable, not sure how hard it is though.

O_o

When did raif even make this? I don't really remember it...

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.03.07 (21:23)
by jp27ace
ska wrote:
EddyMataGallos wrote:Nice innovs, so the first one will most likely be enough to use the cj route as you mentioned. The second innov, Raif is already using it in his MBD, he doesn't jump any higher than normal, although then you have to control how the ninja bumps on the spike, but I think its doable, not sure how hard it is though.

O_o

When did raif even make this? I don't really remember it...
He didn't, I did. That was my first ever attempt at an mbd (you can tell because it sucks)

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.03.07 (21:41)
by EddyMataGallos
Oh yeah, sorry for that :P Btw, NUMA is over quota, so we can't play BLUR, not cool for those who couldn't play during the week *cough*

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.03.07 (22:13)
by _danielr_
EddyMataGallos wrote:Btw, NUMA is over quota, so we can't play BLUR, not cool for those who couldn't play during the week *cough*
So THAT's why I can't play user levels sometimes?! I've always wondered. And yeah, not cool right now. Panicking slightly for lack of time and whatnot.

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.05.25 (12:29)
by _danielr_
A small change on the third bounce block in 116-1 hs :)

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Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.06.13 (20:28)
by EddyMataGallos
Has this been thought before, is it doable?
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Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.09.08 (21:15)
by TheRealOne
20-4 SR

Testing various openings. These only apply when going for the closer 4 tile double jump.

121f


121f


119f


118f


117f

For the curious, this opening is: 2 frames of Nothing, Left, Then a 4 frame jump on the first frame you hit the floor.

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.09.17 (21:38)
by oxymoron93
As suggested by lifdoff and golfkid, I will post this for someone who can do something with it:


Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.11.21 (19:10)
by EddyMataGallos
This is a route change for 46-0 I cooked some time ago:



I think it's like .750 faster, but it doesn't work quite well with the floorguard. Maybe a change could still make it worthwhile.

This is the equivalent section done with the current route:


Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2015.11.22 (04:35)
by ska
EddyMataGallos wrote:This is a route change for 46-0 I cooked some time ago:



I think it's like .750 faster, but it doesn't work quite well with the floorguard. Maybe a change could still make it worthwhile.

This is the equivalent section done with the current route:

I say go for it!

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2017.09.23 (07:38)
by ska
39-2.

I've spent a few hours trying to put together a 0th run, but I find the second-highest row to be really tedious. As you can see, my route is much faster. I had been sitting on this idea for years, but Eddy's latest post about it provoked me to try to put something concrete together. I also wonder if a super-jump from the launchpad might be an interesting idea... Doesn't hurt to experiment, guys! Sorry, Ed, but it looks like you'll need to redo your episode 39 0th after all!

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2017.09.24 (11:52)
by EddyMataGallos
Yeah, that row is the problem of that level. In any case, I doubt I'll be redoing it, because of level -4 and the risk of missing gold. But nice route, great save, I might try to implement it.

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2017.09.24 (16:09)
by ska
EddyMataGallos wrote:Yeah, that row is the problem of that level. In any case, I doubt I'll be redoing it, because of level -4 and the risk of missing gold. But nice route, great save, I might try to implement it.
You better do it. :P

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2018.08.15 (14:20)
by ska
It's been nearly seven years since spect passed away. As I was going to his YouTube channel to reflect on his memory, I saw again this old innovation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZC3tUs9Krc

I can't remember the level name, but do you think this could help in a run (or is it redundant)?

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2018.08.15 (16:28)
by jasdanu
ska wrote:It's been nearly seven years since spect passed away. As I was going to his YouTube channel to reflect on his memory, I saw again this old innovation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZC3tUs9Krc

I can't remember the level name, but do you think this could help in a run (or is it redundant)?
I've had this happen to me by accident before. Tried to replicate it but couldn't do it precisely enough to make it effective

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2018.08.15 (19:01)
by EddyMataGallos
ska wrote:It's been nearly seven years since spect passed away. As I was going to his YouTube channel to reflect on his memory, I saw again this old innovation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZC3tUs9Krc

I can't remember the level name, but do you think this could help in a run (or is it redundant)?
This is level 79-2, and the innov was already implemented.

Re: The N Holy Mosqachurchagogue of Innovation

Posted: 2018.08.17 (18:59)
by ska
EddyMataGallos wrote:
ska wrote:It's been nearly seven years since spect passed away. As I was going to his YouTube channel to reflect on his memory, I saw again this old innovation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZC3tUs9Krc

I can't remember the level name, but do you think this could help in a run (or is it redundant)?
This is level 79-2, and the innov was already implemented.
Haha... That's hilarious. Not only did you do the innov—I did it ages ago but evidently forgot that I did. Good to know that at least his innov was made use of .