never buy an HP external hard drive
Posted: 2010.10.12 (03:22)
Mine failed in less than six months. HP makes stainless-steel plated horse shit.
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Favorites of Mac users.heatwave wrote:On the topic of external HDs, any one have any experience with G-Technology?
All I know is that they look pretty.
It is currently in a transient state of almost-broken.=w= wrote:What failed about it, exactly?
Curious as to how this affects lifespan since ext. drives either draw power from USB/firewire which supply the same voltage across all PCs or are powered by an AC adapter.DO NOT USE THE HARD DISK ON MORE THAN ONE COMPUTER!!! THIS WILL GIVE THE HARD DISK A HIGHER CHANCE OF FAILING THAN IF YOU USE IT ON A SINGLE COMPUTER!!!
It begins to mess up the partition table. It has nothing to do with USB/firewire power. As you keep interchanging between the computer and saving data from each, for some reason, windows writes something to the partition table and mucks it up after a while. I've seen it happen to a friend of mine who bought a brand new 1 TB external, used it for backups from his main web server, and someone else in the house used it on another computer extensively and backed up a lot of data to it. After about 10 or so interchanges, the hard disk began to have issues where it was not seen by windows at times, or crash entirely while copying, then died entirely and was unrestorable. He had 2 of these, and the second one which was hidden from the other person is still working to this day. I'm just saying ... I've seen it happen and it sucks when it does.oeuvre wrote:Curious as to how this affects lifespan since ext. drives either draw power from USB/firewire which supply the same voltage across all PCs or are powered by an AC adapter.
Right, 'cause the other 370,000 in rotation also all failed within six months.scythe wrote:Mine failed in less than six months. HP makes stainless-steel plated horse shit.
I'm very suspicious of this. For this kind of error to occur, there must be copies of Windows out there that have unique ways of talking to the filesystem. Primarily, this is extremely unlikely because filesystems are highly standardized, and the library calls to talk to them are going to be identical on just about any machine that uses them, and probably across OS's. Secondly, if you can find Windows machines that write to the same filesystem's metadata in two different ways, the damage that will do will in no way be subtle; it will be very noticeable, and it will happen almost immediately.mediate wrote:It begins to mess up the partition table. It has nothing to do with USB/firewire power. As you keep interchanging between the computer and saving data from each, for some reason, windows writes something to the partition table and mucks it up after a while. I've seen it happen to a friend of mine who bought a brand new 1 TB external, used it for backups from his main web server, and someone else in the house used it on another computer extensively and backed up a lot of data to it. After about 10 or so interchanges, the hard disk began to have issues where it was not seen by windows at times, or crash entirely while copying, then died entirely and was unrestorable. He had 2 of these, and the second one which was hidden from the other person is still working to this day. I'm just saying ... I've seen it happen and it sucks when it does.oeuvre wrote:Curious as to how this affects lifespan since ext. drives either draw power from USB/firewire which supply the same voltage across all PCs or are powered by an AC adapter.
Oh, they will.Kablizzy wrote:Right, 'cause the other 370,000 in rotation also all failed within six months.scythe wrote:Mine failed in less than six months. HP makes stainless-steel plated horse shit.
I've heard of other things as well. Some viruses tend to wipe partition tables or at least muck up something (I actually had a virus like that attack my computer, back in the day of Windows 98; it came as an "add on" to a game's floppy and, unknowingly, I put the floppy into my computer, started the game, and when I shut down windows, the partition table was wiped clean. The next day, there was nothing. Checked with fdisk from both MS DOS and Linux and there was no partition table defined). Miraculous, yes. Possibility of a virus on the other computer: very high chance of it (public use machine=public use machine. When anyone in the house can and does use your computer, you can get a few of them). Could that have caused it, not sure ... What I am sure of is that the friend called me & my dad over to see what the problem was, I checked to see if the disk would respond in the web server, it didn't. I checked on other machines and same thing. Took it out of the enclosure and put it directly into a computer, with no other hard disk connected, and checked using a live CD, and still nothing. I'm only saying ... it did happen and I did see it happen. No superstition from me there :P. It could have been a faulty external, I'm not ruling that out in any way. But it could have also been either error on the part of the other person (not safely ejecting, plugging it into places where it should not be) or a virus. Not ruling anything out yet. It happened in around 2005 or 2006 so that disk is well trashed by now :P so yeah. I'd still advise against plugging it into too many different machines. But w/e, your choice.T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:The only things I can think of that might have caused your friend's problem is a schizophrenic Windows install that miraculously didn't cause any other horrible problems, a faulty external drive which failed to write metadata properly, or superstition. In every case, it is extremely unlikely to impossible that using the hard drive on multiple machines would be the real problem.
Sorry but I worked (I finished my apprenticeship there) at an IT recycling and repair center for the better part of two years, we used a 1TB external HDD for customer back ups, to my knowledge that thing is still working to this day and it gets a good 2 to 4 backups put on it a week from different machines each time. Chances are your friends drive was faulty or he just plain fucked up and was too prideful to tell you.mediate wrote:I've heard of other things as well. Some viruses tend to wipe partition tables or at least muck up something (I actually had a virus like that attack my computer, back in the day of Windows 98; it came as an "add on" to a game's floppy and, unknowingly, I put the floppy into my computer, started the game, and when I shut down windows, the partition table was wiped clean. The next day, there was nothing. Checked with fdisk from both MS DOS and Linux and there was no partition table defined). Miraculous, yes. Possibility of a virus on the other computer: very high chance of it (public use machine=public use machine. When anyone in the house can and does use your computer, you can get a few of them). Could that have caused it, not sure ... What I am sure of is that the friend called me & my dad over to see what the problem was, I checked to see if the disk would respond in the web server, it didn't. I checked on other machines and same thing. Took it out of the enclosure and put it directly into a computer, with no other hard disk connected, and checked using a live CD, and still nothing. I'm only saying ... it did happen and I did see it happen. No superstition from me there :P. It could have been a faulty external, I'm not ruling that out in any way. But it could have also been either error on the part of the other person (not safely ejecting, plugging it into places where it should not be) or a virus. Not ruling anything out yet. It happened in around 2005 or 2006 so that disk is well trashed by now :P so yeah. I'd still advise against plugging it into too many different machines. But w/e, your choice.T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:The only things I can think of that might have caused your friend's problem is a schizophrenic Windows install that miraculously didn't cause any other horrible problems, a faulty external drive which failed to write metadata properly, or superstition. In every case, it is extremely unlikely to impossible that using the hard drive on multiple machines would be the real problem.