Nv2.0 User levels 0ths

[_danielr_]

That was a fair run. Subtle innov.

Its interesting how a "subtle" change is also actually like the biggest fucking change you can do on a level like this :P

Thank you for the sarcasm, Eddy ;)

[EddyMataGallos]

18-1 o.o
I don't even know... I just... I was trying to clean up that last frame which I thought was maxed, and BAM!
It probably has to do with the jumps or something, which are more random in N v2.0, you know you can get frames from jumping, so maybe the more you are in the air, the better.

[james_S]

I was quite addicted to my newish Simple challenge 006 v.2.X (I kinda failed on my run a bit because I played it a lot testing the previous versions and now I had enough of the concept/ I cant believe i cant do it properly ugh) but anyway have fun on it if u like

[james_S]

It probably has to do with the jumps or something, which are more random in N v2.0, you know you can get frames from jumping, so maybe the more you are in the air, the better.

-ehm Didnt players used to 'popcorn' (heh) in tunnels all the time in the fuzzy version?

(btw yep i cant see that map)

THEJUMPER741 I havent seen you try a chimney map since... (?) (if you missed it: make sure jump button is set to Shift and press both the shift buttons on your keyboard one after the other) God knows why I dont use my pointing finger to jump, I use the one next to my little finger like I said earlier and press the left shift button when playing. -probs to be more comfortable, I cant imagine how you sit using the other hand to to press the UP button for jumping

[EddyMataGallos]

It probably has to do with the jumps or something, which are more random in N v2.0, you know you can get frames from jumping, so maybe the more you are in the air, the better.

-ehm Didnt players used to 'popcorn' (heh) in tunnels all the time in the fuzzy version?

Yeah James I know that, but that fact is that in 18-1 I'm doing the same jumps that the rest of the players, and concretely danielr, are doing. And since I couldn't improve, I decided to change the jumps a little bit, and thats the only thing I changed. And BAM, I improved my run by 3 frames (and took the 0th by 2). We do the same amount of jumps, so that "popcorn" thing is the same. The difference now is that I do my jumps in different positions, sometimes earlier, and I think the reason that that is faster is because it allows me to be on air more time, but I don't know. I also tried to spend a little more time on the jumps through the mines, even though you can barely jump more there or you die of course.

[alsojp27ace]

That's the exact same way that I do my jumps, but I still can't even tie danielr :(
My theory for that level was that you want to land as soon as possible after each of the wall jumps, as this seems to give you a tiny boost in speed, and jumping earlier made this easier to achieve.
I'd be interested if someone who doesn't suck at wall jumps want to test this theory out, this is where demo mode from nreality would really be useful.
Also, took 18-2

[james_S]

(i'm getting there -i already reached 18 episode) >:[

cheaters ''Will pay for it by furr and horns'' mwhaha

[_danielr_]

18-1 o.o

But... but... that was... I don't understand :(

Edit: Uh... apparently I do! Taken :P

[999_Springs]

hey guys you're supposed to be using MY thread for 0ths on the in-game levels :P it's even got great polls and stuff

i would go for userlevel scores if the userlevel system weren't so transient in v2; i mean currently a level only stays on the userlevels pages for a few days at most, then nobody will ever really see the map or the highscores ever again. m&r should really upgrade that

[M4xwell]

Anyone know who Quintal is? He's getting a bundle of 0ths on the Userlevels (especially on the popular ones, even beating cris).

[james_S]

hey guys you're supposed to be using MY thread for 0ths on the in-game levels :P it's even got great polls and stuff

i would go for userlevel scores if the userlevel system weren't so transient in v2; i mean currently a level only stays on the userlevels pages for a few days at most, then nobody will ever really see the map or the highscores ever again. m&r should really upgrade that

Hey Well, having levels that are always there is only really good for those who want to master N and get maximum scores by practising the maps over and over. So the length of time some maps stay in the popular section can potentially be close to ideal for the other types of players. (Of course that wouldn't be good for recognition though.)
I say potentially because currently it isnt so, but I'm sure the situation can be helped. E.g What about extending the saved favorites list by also creating a second list which would be the 'highscores watchlist' to which players can add maps they really tried on -so more ppl would be looking back at maps with strong competition.
I suggested on the bugs thread that there should be a max limit of about 10 maps that a player can publish in one day. It may sound a bit bad but I think map spamming is very much a major problem incl for highscoring and that can help discourage it. Sure some mappers enjoy making a lot of maps but they're never all good maps.
And I'm sure, extending the 5 star system to 10 star would be great because its better when maps are rated individually and not cause someone's bored of them or thinks that the map next to it is better- which then sends that map tumbling down to whatever position. And using complex mathematics M&R can translate existing ratings such as 3.7 out of 5 to its equivalent out of 10 figure.
I think M&R are just disappointed that their awesome creation hasn't been that popular so they're trying a new route via expensive consoles OH GOD. :( (I wondered why they didnt make Nv2 a reasonably priced purchasable PC game instead of another free one -maybe they they wanted more people to start thinking about N before releasing a paid version)

[james_S]

Quintal yea thats cool. So glad there hasnt been a player with 'Quantum' as a nick. (the recent Bond movie +the Bond themed fragrance is called that)


I'd like to say I understand 18-1 after going through the whole column just to have a look. So ehm I think when there is a ceiling you'd want to hit the wall close to the ceiling (while running full speed) at an angle no smaller than 45% (i.e a steep angle) so you'd have a chance to carry on that momentum as you hit the ceiling and turn (taking account the fact that the ninja can actually bounce of the ceiling very slightly) -but not too far up because then you'd be in the air too long all the while slowing down to a speed slower than running. So the earlier you start jumping, the higher up the wall you get (of course before you start falling).

And if there's no ceiling reachable, you'd want to hit the wall at the smallest angle so you just go straight back and the fact that falling is slower in Nv2 than in 1.4 means you can have to start jumping sooner to get the right angle as you float more.

-So I think its mostly that effect taking place rather than the more time you spend in the air after the propulsion of a jump the faster you go.

[EddyMataGallos]

Quintal yea thats cool. So glad there hasnt been a player with 'Quantum' as a nick. (the recent Bond movie +the Bond themed fragrance is called that)


I'd like to say I understand 18-1 after going through the whole column just to have a look. I suspect you'd want to jump against a wall at a lower angle than in 1.4 because you'd have less upward momentum so then spend less time falling back down -as falling is slower than in 1.4

Lol, falling is slower? That would explain everything. I guess we are used to N 1.4 physics, in which horizontal speed is independent from vertical speed, and hence we thought that doing the walljump frame-perfectly would already be enough to max the level, as it is in N v1.4. But man, apparently here its faster to actually spend more time jumping before the walljump, and then afterwards fall to the floor as soon as possible. Thats indeed interesting.

[james_S]

I changed that post now btw


btw Quintal also did that jump of the inside top corner that EMG can do (he got 1 extra frame from it)

[DJ_M]

http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=26711

I demand my Special Prize.

[M4xwell]

http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=26711

I demand my Special Prize.

I can make you a giant cookie

or a cock

[EddyMataGallos]

I changed that post now btw


btw Quintal also did that jump of the inside top corner that EMG can do (he got 1 extra frame from it)

But he didn't get two MWAHAHAHAA!

[alsojp27ace]

http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=26711

I demand my Special Prize.

Can someone please explain to me how to use these links to find the map in the downloadable version? My browser version lags like crazy

[EddyMataGallos]

http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=26711

I demand my Special Prize.

Can someone please explain to me how to use these links to find the map in the downloadable version? My browser version lags like crazy

I think your only resource here is to look at the title in your browser and then search for it, thats what I do, though it would be much more convenient to be able to actually type the map number ingame.

[alsojp27ace]

http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=26711

I demand my Special Prize.

Can someone please explain to me how to use these links to find the map in the downloadable version? My browser version lags like crazy

I think your only resource here is to look at the title in your browser and then search for it, thats what I do, though it would be much more convenient to be able to actually type the map number ingame.

Yeah that's the kind of feature I was looking for. I normally just search for the title but sometimes they show as untitled which there's thousands of results for.

[james_S]

Ehm I thought of another thing to add to my 'highscores watchlist' idea -map icons in that list would automatically get highlighted red or something when your score moves down in the highscores table. What do you think? -Im hoping the mere presence of it would encourage players to look back at maps more often -thinking that others will also be doing the same..


wassup, Zapmeister, did you see what I added to the bugs thread lately? >>

-An option for the possible diagonal one way panels was missed out in editor (they are good for some maps -worth having deffs)

and:
''-BIG suggestion: -The game is too big when I play it in full screen on my monitor, and while toggling the size I saw that (having 'show all' option selected) you can find a size which is in between full screen and small standard size at which the game displays correctly (no gridlines show). So I think they should add 'medium window size' as a preset option or better still make the game display correctly at any window size. Because atm I have a reference point on my desktop and I always re-size the game to medium before playing which I think has a lot of benefits.''

and of course REVENGE MODE (lol)

[thejumper£#!]

Sorry but about this level: http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=26908 - cris56700 you are best noob.....
How is possible?

Swipenet - 88.405s - 5307
Me - 88.465s - 5305

??

[james_S]

Im not sure - but how do you now the exact time? (Btw you know on that map its about how fast you get to the exit button not the actual exit).

ps. damn I tried that technique at first but I went much much slower. its a shame i did a pretty sweet jump

[M4xwell]

http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=22441 Is this level too laggy to get 0th's on?
Sinnermanned by M4xwell

[thejumper£#!]

Im not sure - but how do you now the exact time?

you can see the final time at top left corner, but only for a very short moment after that the replay is finished.
i think that the time more high is a winner, no?

(Btw you know on that map its about how fast you get to the exit button not the actual exit).

sorry i can't understand... what?

ps. damn I tried that technique at first but I went much much slower. its a shame i did a pretty sweet jump

my first 0th is 5303 and 5304, but some minute later swipenet has swiped me :P lol