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Postby amomentlikethis » 2008.12.24 (01:39)

Before I start: I never understood why the old forum was shut down. I come here rarely as I detest the look and feel of the place.

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These are all quotes from the News section of the forum:
I have no idea how to link to individual posts, so I will post links to topics quotes came from.

1. Addendum:
Cocks.
- Tsukatu - http://www.therealn.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1098

What's the point in that? The topic is about the removal of a moderator who, from SlappyMcGee's post sounds unprofessional. If ATOB was removed for that, shouldn't Tsukatu?

2. Topic name: This Just In: Stop Stealing My Signature Style - Blue_Tetris - http://www.therealn.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=936

Let's read the News section's description: The latest scoop on what's going down within the Metanet community, regarding the company, its projects and endeavors, its fans, and its fans' projects and endeavors. What does this topic have to do with any of that?

3. Topic name: Somebody is stealing my sig style. - SlappyMcGee - http://www.therealn.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=944

As above, what does that have to do with any of what the News section's description mentions?

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It seems to me as though the old forums were shut down to give certain moderators higher status.
It seems to me also as though the moderators are using the News section to, if anything, show off.

I don't mean to offend anyone, but this all seems like one big joke.

Can we at least get some seriousity around here? This is, as the other forums were shut down, N's only useable forum. And personally if I owned N I wouldn't want the only forum about the game to be run by people who only post things for an ego boost.
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Postby PALEMOON » 2008.12.24 (01:40)

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Postby George » 2008.12.24 (02:04)

As far as I know, there are vast technical and security advantages in moving to TheRealN, as well as the simple fact that we've been liberated from Forumer.
FAQ wrote:Why are we moving?

Well, for a lot of reasons. Mostly because we are tired of Forumer and we want something new, more secure, more professional, and more permanent. After the Tetris Takeover, we realized how unsecured Forumer's forums really are, and how someone could damage or destroy the community with ease, and we needed a change.

Secondly, we've wanted to update the forum software with our own features, and with our own forums, we can do that much more easily. We also want the ability to back up the forum data, as well as a number of other features that we're reticent to tell you guys about!
And with Slaps and Suki, well, aren't they just being themeselves?
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Postby LittleViking » 2008.12.24 (02:15)

The three topics you linked to were all jokes. I don't know how you missed that. And the forum move had nothing to do with elevating our power - did you not notice that we were already admins over there? If we wanted to increase our power or the power of anyone else, a few mouse clicks would have done the job.
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Postby TribulatioN » 2008.12.24 (02:19)

amomentlikethis wrote:And personally if I owned N I wouldn't want the only forum about the game to be run by people who only post things for an ego boost.
Amen.
LittleViking wrote:The three topics you linked to were all jokes. I don't know how you missed that.
I think that's the whole argument, cause for new users coming here, it seems extremely unprofessional.
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Postby Condog » 2008.12.24 (03:49)

Relax dude. Stop being such a fun Nazi.
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Postby Spawn of Yanni » 2008.12.24 (06:27)

Gabuhgwuh?

Amlt, I don't know where the heck you've been for the last couple of eons, but old forums or new this happens all the time at Metanet. You clearly must've missed the bit where, on the old forums, they made a bunch of random people mods, as a joke. That's just what happens around here, isn't it?

(You also must've missed the bit where they asked for people to make new skins. But whatever)


But, y'know, maybe that's what you're trying to stop. Tsukatu should not be allowed to say Tsukatuesque lines in joke topics. Joke topics of any sort should not be posted in places so important, revered, and active such as News.


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I think that's the whole argument, cause for new users coming here, it seems extremely unprofessional.
Extremely unprofessional? I would be, honestly, shocked, if members are turned away from the community because of the Dave topic about sig style. We're not attracting prospective business associates here.


EditNumeroTwo: Also, to link to a specific post, you have to copy the link address of the small page-like-thing next to "Posted on" near the top right of a post. Not as clear as it could be, sure.
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Postby T3chno » 2008.12.24 (06:28)

Chill, bro. Stop taking life so seriously.


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Postby amomentlikethis » 2008.12.24 (07:22)

LittleViking wrote:The three topics you linked to were all jokes.
What are joke topics doing in the News section?


If you notice, I'm not the only person in this topic who thinks these things...
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Postby TribulatioN » 2008.12.24 (07:23)

Spawn of Yanni wrote:
I think that's the whole argument, cause for new users coming here, it seems extremely unprofessional.
Extremely unprofessional? I would be, honestly, shocked, if members are turned away from the community because of the Dave topic about sig style. We're not attracting prospective business associates here.
I meant extremely by exactly what this says:
But, y'know, maybe that's what you're trying to stop. Tsukatu should not be allowed to say Tsukatuesque lines in joke topics. Joke topics of any sort should not be posted in places so important, revered, and active such as News.
I'm just saying, it doesn't seem like it should be in News, totally fine elsewhere.
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Postby T3chno » 2008.12.24 (07:25)

amomentlikethis wrote:
LittleViking wrote:The three topics you linked to were all jokes.
What are joke topics doing in the News section?
What are jokes doing in a serious world?
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Postby Spawn of Yanni » 2008.12.24 (09:48)

TribulatioN wrote:
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I think that's the whole argument, cause for new users coming here, it seems extremely unprofessional.
Extremely unprofessional? I would be, honestly, shocked, if members are turned away from the community because of the Dave topic about sig style. We're not attracting prospective business associates here.
I meant extremely by exactly what this says:
But, y'know, maybe that's what you're trying to stop. Tsukatu should not be allowed to say Tsukatuesque lines in joke topics. Joke topics of any sort should not be posted in places so important, revered, and active such as News.
I'm just saying, it doesn't seem like it should be in News, totally fine elsewhere.
Eh? You seem to have disregarded what I said completely. Why is it taboo to stick a joke in there? Do you think that people will be turned away from the forums if they see the Dave sig topic? These few topics are going to be buried deep beneath the depths of the forum in time - hell, it was already forgotten before Amlt brought this up. The News forum is otherwise being used as it should be; I really fail to see what the big deal is about this.


It should also be mentioned that, functionality-wise, these forums are head and shoulders above the old ones. Looking at map tags, new spoilers, mp3 embedding, NUMA integration, notifications if anyone posted since you started a post, and essentially anything else you could possibly want to be added in, it really is far better. If you're not down with the skin, start your own, or wait for Pembie and incluye to get their Forumer-esque one done.
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Postby Eiturlyf » 2008.12.24 (10:30)

Duuuude. Stop being a killjoy.
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Postby blue_tetris » 2008.12.24 (10:45)

The first thing that happened when we made the new forums? Keron Cyst and all the old mods got their administrative positions back.

Tell me, what has Keron really done around here lately? Don't get me wrong, I like the guy as an administrator. But he's doing other things now. We really did find that, on the old forums, we wished he was around more often to help get some of the administrative stuff done.



The new forums weren't created to "steal power". That's utterly ridiculous. blue_tetris ascended to administrator alongside LV and Kablizzy on the old forums. We were under Forumer.com's annoying terms of service and increasingly invasive advertising system. We were already paying for the biggest N-related fansite at TheRealN.com. The obvious answer? Put the forums on the site we're already paying for and make our own rules instead of following Forumer.com's.

The administration of the forums was already changing before we came to TheRealN.com. There's no way you can deny that.



Lastly, you are right about the jokes thing. There were no jokes in the old forum. No one on the old forum joked around. Irony? We invented it here, on TheRealN.com. And the people complaining about ironic things? Nonexistent until AMLT came along. I apologize for this shift in our behavior from outrageously serious and unable to make jokes to lax and humorous.

If you do not enjoy said humorousness, you are entitled to go back to the old Forumer.com forums which were all super-serious-like and look at their stupid ads. But you can't post there. Posting has been disabled indefinitely.



The nonsense I can believe the least about this argument is that we're running this place and putting all of our time into making this site better than Forumer.com's idiocy for an "ego boost". If I honestly thought that it'd be better run that way, I'd personally retire and remove all the people you don't like from mod positions (you don't like LV, Spawnofyanni, aaaaaaand 29403?). I'd do that because I'm wholly interested in making this place good for all of the members here. I don't, however, believe this place would be administrated as well that way. The current mod staff is there because they have the time, experience, and insight into how the people around here work.

And that they're willing to take a joke. It's interesting: All of the people who were on the mod staff who were unwilling to take a joke were eventually removed. Why? Because they critcised everything and handed out warrantless warns and bans to people. We're relaxed here at the new forums.



BUT... this topic was started because AMLT saw three forums in News that were joke forums and decided to extrapolate to the obvious conclusion: The staff is evil and attempting to undermine Metanet for their own personal gains. To forgo this sort of confusion in the future, we'll stop making jokes in the News section and make them in other sections instead.

AMLT and Tribulation may decide the sections in which we can make jokes.

Afterwards, AMLT and Tribulation should work up a list of staff omissions for the staff members to review and consider. We value your input and are always trying to make your forums a better place. Extra points if your list includes more omissions than just "blue_tetris, blue_tetris, and that Nazi blue_tetris!".

That is all.
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Postby Rikaninja » 2008.12.24 (10:48)

Yeah! Some of our most powerful members of communiy treating this as a joke? That can't be normal, LitteViking; If anything your posy didn't help either side of the argumet :[
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Postby Kablizzy » 2008.12.24 (11:23)

amomentlikethis wrote:Can we at least get some seriousity around here? This is, as the other forums were shut down, N's only useable forum. And personally if I owned N I wouldn't want the only forum about the game to be run by people who only post things for an ego boost.
You mean like yourself? Looks like someone isn't getting that Mod Spot for Christmas he was hoping for! Ah, well. Maybe next year! =D

Anyway. Really? Did no one notice the TWO FUCKING YEARS of discussion prior to the move about moving? Did we all just miss that entire twenty-four month span in its entirety?

Look, I'm not a fan of the style of Satire Suki, Dave, and Slaps use. It's not my style of humor, really. I don't find it amusing at all, and yeah - I'll admit - Sometimes, it pisses me the fuck off. I don't like how their humor comes across or how it systematically alienates every member of our community. But y'know what I do? I voice that concern, and then get the fuck over it. Did you read that part of the rules? Where we tell you to kindly get over it? Because that was in the rules. The new ones. In that News section thing. Yeah, the one with the silly posts. Atob was genuinely incensed at that topic, as was I. But we both sucked it up, and got over it. Let's play some TF2 together, right guys??? =D =D

So, tell me, guys - Name one newsworthy thing that's gone down since September 26th. Just one will suffice. Any one. Pick one out of a hat. Would you like for us to tell you about George Bush being assaulted by a shoe salesman? It's certainly newsworthy, but really? I can't fathom you needing the News section to be so sterile. If anyone reading this has anything they consider Newsworthy, by all means PM it to me. I actively want things to go into the News forum. You're almost right - Those joke topics kinda do look out of place when they're all alone in there, but nothing's gone on, bro. If this is your ideal running state, then good God, by all means, we need to get a new staff in here, pronto. These new guys who totally haven't been hanging around since the forums began are running this very, very sterile and completely dry community to ruins! I mean, FOUR totally new Administrators, all of whom have been around this community for less than five years? Whoa, whoa. Count me out, Francine. That's too much butterscotch in my soup.

You seriously think we moved to get higher status? AS THOUGH BLIZZ HASN'T OWNED THE COMMUNITY SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 2004, RIGHT FELLOWS? HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR. The only change was Suki's Adminship, and the loss of Mare and Raigan as Admins - And we've extended the Olive Branch to them, offering them the exact same position here that they had at the old forums. Keron willingly took a back seat - He's going to be a pianist, you know. Secondly, these aren't Mare and Raigan's forums. They never were. These are fan-run, fan-supported forums. We actively want Mare and Raigan here. This should be their place, but they don't want it. We offered numerous times to Mare and Raigan to host these forums on the Metanetsoftware.com server. We even offered to pay for the extra hosting as well as offer all ad revenues to cover costs of running said forums. Not only were we ignored for nearly a year, but when we did get a response, the response was "No." What else do you want from us? Forumer isn't an option. Forumer is awful for us. Forumer is awful for YOU GUYS. Thus, these forums. By all means, I wanted these forums to be the Official Metanet Software forums, hosted at their official site - In fact, we all wanted that. That was the ideal outcome. The ideal outcome was also having Legacy launch alongside v1.5, but they refused on that front too. No hard feelings, but what else do you want us to do? We wanted these to be all official and professional-like, but they aren't, they won't be, and unless Mare and Raigan were both involved in some sort of tragic bus vs. Hot-Air-Balloon accident, it seems like they don't even want to be a part of the community anymore. Not that they were much to begin with - save for a post or two every handful of months - But they're big-time now. They're movie stars, man. They don't want us anymore. On a serious note, we've tried to keep them in the loop, but they don't have time for us. They're MORE THAN WELCOME to join any time and have their statuses 110% restored. In fact, Mare, Raigan, and Keron would and do have much, much more control and power here than they ever would have at Forumer. I fail to see how that's a downgrade.

If we didn't use the News forum for those three topics, there would only be three less topics in the News forum. Tuh-Dah. But mostly, if you don't understand why we moved, why not ask? Why this tone of topic? Why not just a question, or something? Why is everything around here such a production? Can't we post a few pictures of fictitious ponies without someone wondering if it had anything to do with the JFK assassination? Man, unprofessional is what we /do/. It's what Metanet is about, and what Metanet was founded upon. They don't seem like the stuffy, corporate asshole types, do they?

And no, it's not just you, but if you think you can do better, make a new skin. We actively want a new skin for these forums. If you really hate this place, do what many others have done and create some new forums. Beat us at our own game. Get ten thousand people to register - In all honesty, not even kidding, if that happened, I would /love/ it. I'd love to be a part of a community that's better and more successful than this one. Because that community would be the best fucking community in existence. If you can run a community of this size with any semblance of what a person would call success, I'll buy you a Christmas ham. Until then, let's just have some fun. It has nothing to do with harshing on our buzz, and you're right - Some of the jokes either go too far or aren't funny at all, but if I were to ban any offenders, you assholes would be the exact same ones to rush to their defense, crying and wondering why I have to be such a hardass. And if you guys think for a second that Administrating this place is any fun, it comes to be less and less so every day. I honestly don't know why anyone would put themselves through this shit. It just doesn't register with me. AHAHAHAHA REGISTER. IT'S A FORUM PUN, GET IT??? That's primarily why we post silly topics - It relieves some of the stupid, tireless monotony of dealing with... Well, this stuff.

Look, I'll entertain questions, and I'll certainly and wholeheartedly entertain and even fully endorse serious concerns and serious complaints. But this shit has driven off Silly Cliff, flown way the shit over Ridiculous Chasm, and landed smack in the middle of Jesus-Fucking-Christ-Are-You-Guys-REALLY-Doing-This-Again Lake.

And really - Keron wasn't the only person who thought the Pony Parade was the living Apocalypse, but here we are. We do these things for fun - If you'd all spend less time Bah Humbugging and more time thinking up positive things to do for the community, we'd have less of a rift here. Have we ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER, FUCKING EVER badmouthed a positive project that wasn't Unreality? We, as a staff. have we - As a staff - Ever shot you guys down for a positive contribution or had to post gigantic, long-winded bullshitting tripe-laden posts about what an awful thing it is to have a positive contribution here? I think that, if nothing else, seals the deal here. We explained ad nauseam why we moved, and we made sure as many people were on board as possible - If you're not, I'm gonna miss you, dude. Not much else I can say about this - It's the same, stupid bullshit we've been through twenty or thirty times before, and I guess we're not done going through it. If you guys can't grasp this concept by now, I don't know what else I can say or do, guys. Honestly. If it hasn't quite sunk in yet, and you're actually putting forth this silly bullshit as actual points against the new forums, then I don't even know, dude. I don't know what to say anymore to you guys. If it isn't painfully obvious every time I have to post this exact rant, then I just don't know.
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Postby Eiturlyf » 2008.12.24 (11:56)

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Postby blue_tetris » 2008.12.24 (13:17)

We've actually toned it down since the old forums, if anything. In the final years drawing a close on the old forums, we had a fiasco every couple weeks.
Blizz wrote:Look, I'm not a fan of the style of Satire Suki, Dave, and Slaps use. It's not my style of humor, really. I don't find it amusing at all, and yeah - I'll admit - Sometimes, it pisses me the fuck off. I don't like how their humor comes across or how it systematically alienates every member of our community.
O_O

Don't lump me in with those guys. I make it a point not to alienate people. I strike when struck. My humor is occasionally satire, but it's usually wit. It just needs an LV, Blizz, or GamingWolf to foster its ridiculosity. I certainly don't alienate people systematically. That's my last of intentions. I keep the heavy ragging to Ventrilo (if I do it at all) and I try to dispel anything before it gets shitdeep.

I am genuinely distraught at this analogy, Blizz.

If it's about AF, then yeah, I give that guy shit. That guy gives us shit. Plus: I think Slaps is lying about the 1984 thing. AF failed an assignment and blamed Slaps (an entire continent away), so Slaps made himself Captain Hell.

I am genuinely distraught. I am, genuinely.

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Postby Tanner » 2008.12.24 (13:23)

Dave sounds like George Costanza in that post.
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Postby a happy song » 2008.12.24 (13:44)

Kablizzy wrote:BLIZZ RANT
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I like how an egoist is complaining about egos running unchecked. Precious.

I'll be one of the first to stand up and complain about the 'humour' some of our members present, it sometimes gets quite spiteful in here and seems more like a contest than a community. But hey, most of us are still here regardless. So, we're either masochistic/sadistic to the point of worry but we're getting our kicks, or it's not actually that bad at all.
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Postby SkyPanda » 2008.12.24 (15:22)

Ha awesome post Kablizzy.
I'm actually more unchilled about the stuff you were saying about M&R.. is that all true? :/

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Postby unoriginal name » 2008.12.24 (15:22)

Kablizzy, you're amazing. Just remember that most of the community isn't amlt.

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Postby blue_tetris » 2008.12.24 (15:57)

gloomp wrote:Kablizzy, you're amazing. Just remember that most of the community isn't amlt.
It's also important to note that the last time AMLT showed up, it was just to complain about Nreality and then leave.

He's one of the guys that offers complaints. Mostly at new and different things.

AMLT = complainer.

Your loving forum staff = problem-solvers.

We don't complain without a solution in mind. And then we go fix stuff.



I'm mostly upset you guys got Blizz upset. Blizz doesn't get upset. Blizz has other things to do. But you gotta keep pecking at the Blizz until he gets upset. You gotta keep pecking. Like peckers. Until you've pecked so much Blizz explodes into a towerpost. Well, in the future, stop being peckers. I dunno if that was put in the rules, but it should be. Don't be a pecker.

You enraged him to the point where he had to candidly believe that he didn't appreciate Dave's wit. Dave's shenanigans. And we all know he doesn't mean that. He actually really loves my wit and shenanigans. But you peckers made him forget that. You're a bunch of peckers, you know that? A bunch of them. Peckers, that is.

And now I am genuinely distraught. I was genuinely distraught at how my shenanigans go misconstrued into malcontents, when clearly I just play the fox. I play it soft. I am not at all like Suki or the other ones. I play a soft fox. And I am presently genuinely distraught at how you drove Blizz to an unnecessary towerpost when he has a life and not towerposts that need erected. You peckers keep forcing the erection of towerposts, which ends our shenanigans. How is one to play the fox?

Your pecking got out of hand. You pecked Blizz into this.

I am genuinely distraught at all of this.

The terrorists and AMLT have won.
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Postby wedgie » 2008.12.24 (16:17)

'blizz wrote:Man, unprofessional is what we /do/. It's what Metanet is about, and what Metanet was founded upon.
I agree. If you were around to see the type of things that happened on the old forums over the last few years then I just can't understand how a few joke topics here can upset you. The people at metanet are mostly fun people that like to do fun things. Don't complain about the fact that there are jokes in a joke book. Go and read a dictionary instead.


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