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[smartalco]

Also, it mirrors the last supper, where Jesus said something to the same sort of the whole 'Eat my flesh, drink my blood' thing. No, the 12 did not take a big ol' bite out of Jesus' hand.

This is absurd. You can be dumbstruck by this particular aspect of Christianity all you want (I can hardly say I blame you) but the fact remains that this is doctrine, it's canon, it's believed! I quote the Encyclopedia Britannica article on transubstantiation:

You are seriously focusing took much on the random literal strings. The entire sacrament of eucharist is basically a repeated showing of the last supper. Did Jesus literally turn the bread and wine into his own flesh a blood? No. Did the 12 take turns gnawing on his arm and cut his wrists and drink his blood? No. It is just the most traditional and ritual way to take christ in to yourself.

I don't see anyone defending a metaphorical interpretation of turning water into wine so why are you defending a metaphorical interpretation of wine into blood? Why are you having such a hard time believing that people still think this? Can you give me a better argument than "The Christians I know..."?

Because the two events are entirely unrelated and one is meant to be taken literally and the other metaphorically? Why are you having such a hard time believing that 99% of Catholics (and 99% of the rest of the branches of Christians) don't believe they are literally eating flesh? Can you give me a better argument than "The crazy ass things I hear about Christians because the rest of the vast amounts of mission trips, charity work, and charitable donations don't get ever get talked about?"

I would no longer consider myself much of a religious person. I was raised Catholic though, and have absolutely no qualms with my upbringing. Despite what you may read in the news, most religious people are perfectly reasonable, rational, people (and that goes for any religion). I don't think believing in a higher power makes you crazy, nor do I think not believing in a higher power makes you a bad person. As long as the extremists in any faction are kept out of positions of power, I don't really have any doubt that the overall attitude and well being of the world would be improved if people were more religious (most religions teach selflessness, and you know, to not wrong people).

[乳头的早餐谷物]

Also, it mirrors the last supper, where Jesus said something to the same sort of the whole 'Eat my flesh, drink my blood' thing. No, the 12 did not take a big ol' bite out of Jesus' hand.

This is absurd. You can be dumbstruck by this particular aspect of Christianity all you want (I can hardly say I blame you) but the fact remains that this is doctrine, it's canon, it's believed! I quote the Encyclopedia Britannica article on transubstantiation:

You are seriously focusing took much on the random literal strings. The entire sacrament of eucharist is basically a repeated showing of the last supper. Did Jesus literally turn the bread and wine into his own flesh a blood? No. Did the 12 take turns gnawing on his arm and cut his wrists and drink his blood? No. It is just the most traditional and ritual way to take christ in to yourself.

I don't see anyone defending a metaphorical interpretation of turning water into wine so why are you defending a metaphorical interpretation of wine into blood? Why are you having such a hard time believing that people still think this? Can you give me a better argument than "The Christians I know..."?

Because the two events are entirely unrelated and one is meant to be taken literally and the other metaphorically? Why are you having such a hard time believing that 99% of Catholics (and 99% of the rest of the branches of Christians) don't believe they are literally eating flesh? Can you give me a better argument than "The crazy ass things I hear about Christians because the rest of the vast amounts of mission trips, charity work, and charitable donations don't get ever get talked about?"

I would no longer consider myself much of a religious person. I was raised Catholic though, and have absolutely no qualms with my upbringing. Despite what you may read in the news, most religious people are perfectly reasonable, rational, people (and that goes for any religion). I don't think believing in a higher power makes you crazy, nor do I think not believing in a higher power makes you a bad person. As long as the extremists in any faction are kept out of positions of power, I don't really have any doubt that the overall attitude and well being of the world would be improved if people were more religious (most religions teach selflessness, and you know, to not wrong people).

If 99% of Catholics don't believe Christ is present in the bread and wine, it's because of a misunderstanding of the religion to which they supposedly belong. If you do a little research, like I had to because I was never raised Catholic, you'll see the literalness of the Eucharist consistently confirmed and emphasised—I searched on Google for "eucharist catholicism", and every result had the same message:

- "According to the Catholic Church, when the bread and wine are consecrated in the Eucharist, they cease to be bread and wine, and become instead the Most Precious Body and Blood of Christ."
- "...in the Eucharist the Body and Blood of the God-man are truly, really, and substantially present for the nourishment of our souls, by reason of the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ..."
- "...after the priest re-enacts the Last Supper then it is truly the body and blood of Jesus Christ. This is also known as the Real Presence. The Church has maintained since the time of the apostles that the bread that is broken and the wine that is poured becomes the actual body and blood, not that Jesus is present with the bread and the wine, nor that they are merely a symbol. In the Eucharist Christ is truly, wholly, and substantially present."
- "The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat? His listeners were stupefied because now they understood Jesus literally—and correctly."
- "The Roman Catholic Church believes that the bread and wine of the Holy Eucharist become the actual body and blood of Jesus."

I would agree most religious people are perfectly normal, which is indeed demonstrated by the fact that they rarely believe all the things they're supposed to. (Though I utterly disagree with the proposition that the world would be a better place if more people were religious.)

[Tanner]

I think maybe we're not on the same page here. I don't assume to speak for what people hold in their hearts and minds; I'm talking about what is written down in doctrinal documents and what is performed on a daily basis (whether it be dogmatic rhetoric or not) in Catholic mass. Neither you nor I know exactly whether people truly believe they are eating the literal body and blood of Christ but this is what their faith describes and what has been practiced by the church for centuries.

[amomentlikethis]

It's funny. I bet if someone made a similar video titled "9/11 : How Muslims killed thousands" it'd be removed from the site pretty quick.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

It's funny. I bet if someone made a similar video titled "9/11 : How Muslims killed thousands" it'd be removed from the site pretty quick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcU094vd3Q

[blackson]

In particular, the fact that Christians symbolize their faith with their leader undergoing a torturous execution confuses the hell out of me.
Consider a parallel situation:
I'm about to be hit by a bus when a total stranger runs in and shoves me out of its path, leaving the bus to kill him, instead. I want to honor him at his funeral.
Acceptable behavior:

• Represent his likeness with the most heartwarming and flattering photo I can find.
• Celebrate his accomplishments and his goals.
• Put a high emphasis on praising his positive qualities, particularly the selflessness and bravery which led him to trade his life for mine.
• Dedicate my life to the pursuit of something meaningful.

Christian behavior:

• Present him to others at his absolute lowest point, putting the focus on the consequences he suffered rather than his personality or his good deeds. Litter the procession with photos of his mangled corpse wrapped around the bus tire.
• Describe his good deeds only to emphasize how great the person was whom I murdered with my negligence.
• Fixate obsessively on the fact that he was killed. Make this the central point of conversation about him, and make sure that others closely associate his name with his death.
• Devote my life to ensuring that everyone knows just how dead he is because of me. Show the photos of the gruesome scene to strangers to show what he was willing to suffer on my behalf. Claim it isn't about me, though.

People sit through this latter kind of ceremony every Sunday, even though they'd be furious if something like it was held for someone they were close to.

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You're giving an unfair comparison here. You describe it as just some random guy who's actions only saved your life, and that's it. Jesus (supposedly) wiped the sin-slate clean for everyone because he died. There's a /reason/ people celebrate his death, it's more than just saving YOUR (your being singular) life for his. Oh, and the dude comes back from the dead anyways, so the funeral was a bust.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

You're giving an unfair comparison here. You describe it as just some random guy who's actions only saved your life, and that's it. Jesus (supposedly) wiped the sin-slate clean for everyone because he died. There's a /reason/ people celebrate his death, it's more than just saving YOUR (your being singular) life for his.

If your imagination is that narrow, then feel free to swap some other details:
If the guy sacrificed his life to save a busload of people, it would be even more inappropriate to display the photo of his corpse wrapped around a bus tire and to carry around photos of that very scene (or a small metal trinket sculpted into something resembling it on a chain around your neck, as you prefer). If you're still straining to make the comparison, imagine it was a really big bus with one third of the world's population on it.
As for taking your sins upon him, I just want you to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWAUhadJzTk

Oh, and the dude comes back from the dead anyways, so the funeral was a bust.

So in the end, he sacrificed nothing. Why do you worship this douche, again?

[blackson]

You're giving an unfair comparison here. You describe it as just some random guy who's actions only saved your life, and that's it. Jesus (supposedly) wiped the sin-slate clean for everyone because he died. There's a /reason/ people celebrate his death, it's more than just saving YOUR (your being singular) life for his.

If your imagination is that narrow, then feel free to swap some other details:
If the guy sacrificed his life to save a busload of people, it would be even more inappropriate to display the photo of his corpse wrapped around a bus tire and to carry around photos of that very scene (or a small metal trinket sculpted into something resembling it on a chain around your neck, as you prefer). If you're still straining to make the comparison, imagine it was a really big bus with one third of the world's population on it.

I think he would want to be remembered by what he did in his life, this event being a main detail. The images of Jesus on the cross are so prominent because that's what he's best known for and considered his greatest achievement.

Oh, and the dude comes back from the dead anyways, so the funeral was a bust.

So in the end, he sacrificed nothing. Why do you worship this douche, again?

Well no, not according to the Bible. Had he not died then the sins wouldn't have been cleaned. Just because he came back doesn't change this.

And I don't worship him. You're just making bad points.

[otters]

So in the end, he sacrificed nothing. Why do you worship this douche, again?

Well no, not according to the Bible. Had he not died then the sins wouldn't have been cleaned. Just because he came back doesn't change this.

Dude could have cleaned our sins anyway without going through a meaningless 33-year-long ritual and torturing his own son. He's a fucking god.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

I think he would want to be remembered by what he did in his life, this event being a main detail. The images of Jesus on the cross are so prominent because that's what he's best known for and considered his greatest achievement.

Dude, this is exactly my point. Random guy dying to save 2.2 billion people is also pretty bitchin', and we'd definitely mention his sacrifice repeatedly, but we wouldn't wear necklaces that depict him dying an agonizing death. No amount of increasing the stakes would justify walking around with a tortured Jesus around your neck.