Are you okay with gays?

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

Zander and incluye,
(as well as anyone else who follows Jesus)

First off, I don't know where you're getting off saying that you don't have to follow Old Testament laws anymore. When God says something is eternal, He ain't dicking around.
Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Exodus 12:14, 17, 24 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
Leviticus 23:14,21,31 It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations.
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.
Deuteronomy 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always.
1 Chronicles 16:15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Psalm 119:151-2 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Hell, Jesus himself said,
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one title of the law to fail.

Jesus even endorsed some of the Old Testament laws personally:
Mark 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death
Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

And the verses saying that the OT is now irrelevant were the ideas of mere men. If God commands you to keep His laws forever, what right is it of any human to say that that's all bullocks now, especially after Jesus gave his support of the OT as well?
If God says something is forever and a human, no matter how holy, says that it no longer applies, then he just said that God is wrong. Why should you trust him then?

Regardless, here's some other stuff Jesus wants you to do:

Take from the poor, give to the rich.
Matthew 25:29-30 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

In fact, go ahead and forsake all material things, yourself.
Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

But don't stop there. Forsake all family and friends as well.
Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Mark 10:29-30 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

And do more than just forsake them; Jesus commands you to hate your family and friends:
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

After all, God hates anything mankind might find favorable.
Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Sounds like a miserable life, doesn't it? At least you'll be happy.
Oh wait, Jesus doesn't want that, either. In fact, he specifically orders you to live a life that makes you miserable.
No money:
Mark 6:24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
No food:
Mark 6:25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger.
No laughter:
Mark 6:25 Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
No respect from anyone:
Mark 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Nothing, in fact, that would make your life at all bearable.
John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

But make sure you still have a sword...
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
So you can join Jesus in battle...
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Against the Jews...
John 8:44 Ye [the Jews] are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
...and against the rest of the unbelievers.
Luke 19:22-27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Which is weird, considering how much more God appears to like sinners than Christians.
Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Mark 6:35 He is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

And He wants you to make their lives as easy as possible.
Mark 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Mark 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Mark 6:29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Mark 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
Mark 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again

And while we're in the Mark 6:30's, take a more careful look at this one:
Mark 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned
Because it looks a hell of a lot to me that you're both judging and condemning homosexuals.

It's pretty obvious to me that you're not a follower of Christ. I can tell this because I've noticed that you're not running around homeless, naked, and malnourished, without anyone who would call you friend or family, nor any clothing nor other material object to your name than a sword, kicking in doors in Jewish neighborhoods so you can drag them back to an altar to sacrifice them to Jesus. That is how I'd recognize a Christ-follower, and you're not fittin' the bill.

No, I don't think you're following Jesus' teachings at all.
I think it's pretty frickin' clear that you're a hedonist, and that you're SO going to Hell.

[yungerkid]

well, if you had posted all of those things one at a time, i would have refuted them all individually. but i'm just too lazy to go through them all. :/

God is supposed to love us all equally, right? Then why does he hate gays?

ever heard of the concept "love the sinner, hate the sin"? God hates homosexuality; it perverts the natural form of sex that God created between a man and woman. however, He still loves every human on the earth; they are His creation. it is natural.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

ever heard of the concept "love the sinner, hate the sin"? God hates homosexuality; it perverts the natural form of sex that God created between a man and woman. however, He still loves every human on the earth; they are His creation. it is natural.

A) Where is "love the sinner, hate the sin" in the Bible?
B) Then why does he send the sinner to Hell anyway?

[a happy song]

well, if you had posted all of those things one at a time, i would have refuted them all individually. but i'm just too lazy to go through them all. :/

If you actually had the ability to refute well, or cared enough, you'd just do it.

[yungerkid]

A. I don't think it is. I can't remember. but there are some things that are not in the Bible that we accept as true. "hate the sin, love the sinner" makes logical sense, and is not contradicted in the Bible. and I follow Luther's approach on this...

B. I have no clue. the sinner is totally wrapped up in the sin; their whole personality yearns for it and it is part of their being just as their personality is. erm, but God can do everything, and He can cleanse them. I know. this is a whole different debate; why did God even allow sin in the first place, and why does He not cleanse sin from the world? I don't have an answer for that. but I still believe in God, and in the Bible. also, this isn't exactly a primary doctrine.

@atob: i am surprised. i thought you were above ill-informed lashings. (that was not sarcasm)

i just may return with a tower post....maybe...:/

[a happy song]

@atob: i am surprised. i thought you were above ill-informed lashings. (that was not sarcasm)
/

I'm not, clearly. This entire topic riles me up far too much. I should probably just avoid it.

Apologies.

[yungerkid]

lol, that was funny. anyway, you said that if i were capable of refuting arguments well, or cared enough, i would do so. i agree with the second condition. but there is no reason for you to think that i am incapable of refuting arguments well. you could be basing this assumption off of your own personal experience that people who state their attributes without proving them do not actually possess those attributes. but really, you had no proof of that. so if i were you, i would have refrained from suggesting it. what i meant by ill-informed was the above-mentioned lack of proof; however, reviewing your statement, you did not seem to make the assertion in a definite sense. thus, i retract my statement.

[Tanner]

lol, that was funny. anyway, you said that if i were capable of refuting arguments well, or cared enough, i would do so. i agree with the second condition. but there is no reason for you to think that i am incapable of refuting arguments well. you could be basing this assumption off of your own personal experience that people who state their attributes without proving them do not actually possess those attributes. but really, you had no proof of that. so if i were you, i would have refrained from suggesting it. what i meant by ill-informed was the above-mentioned lack of proof; however, reviewing your statement, you did not seem to make the assertion in a definite sense. thus, i retract my statement.

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

[jean-luc]

James, while John had had "had," had had "had had;" "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher.

[DemonzLunchBreak]

lol, that was funny. anyway, you said that if i were capable of refuting arguments well, or cared enough, i would do so. i agree with the second condition. but there is no reason for you to think that i am incapable of refuting arguments well. you could be basing this assumption off of your own personal experience that people who state their attributes without proving them do not actually possess those attributes. but really, you had no proof of that. so if i were you, i would have refrained from suggesting it. what i meant by ill-informed was the above-mentioned lack of proof; however, reviewing your statement, you did not seem to make the assertion in a definite sense. thus, i retract my statement.

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

Rofl.

[SkyPanda]

And do more than just forsake them; Jesus commands you to hate your family and friends:
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

You must be a hit at the local church group. :)

One alternative interpretation is that the feelings you have for your family should be like hate compared to your love for Jesus, or something along those lines. An interpretation which seems to be based on the belief that similie and metaphor were popular back then too, no doubt.

[Evil_Sire]

@ above: ahhahahahah.

Sorry, but reading through these posts, I think I would be really insulted if I was gay. Y'all're talking about "the gays" like they're some kind of inhuman monsters or something, and bandying about the idea of tolerating gay people as though the two sides to that issue are equally okay.
...
Fuck all of you. Well, most of you, anyway.

thanks for the empathy.
i know bi is on the line, but seriously, what is wrong with liking people the same sex as you?
and if you says its the penis, look down and punch yourself in the nose for being an arrogant twat. yours is likely no better than mine. i like both variations of the human genitalia, but thats just me. you might not like the look of the ingredients for a stir fry, but that looks good to me, so yeah.
its fine and dandy to not be attracted to the same sex, just dont act as if its unnatural or wrong or anything along those lines. because, through the eyes of a homosexual person, someone the same sex is attractive in the same way a girl is attractive to you (assuming youre all guys).

furthermore:

Also, shouldn't it be lesbians aswell?
I don't mind them.

ASS HEAD.
in this instance, you arent against the gay couples "gayness" youre just against the fact that theyre guys. also, fyi, lesbians arent always are incredibly rarely topless girls dripping with oil and fake tan with bouncing implants, in fact, most of them are just girls who like girls, amazingly. the former impression is [unfortunately for you] spread by the pornography industry, as an excuse to show two depraved souls for your masturbatory enjoyment. sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can hold a conversation youd likely be dead bored around a lesbian couple.

HOMOSEXUALITY != DIFFERENT PERSONALITY
[/mild rant]

Not what I meant. I don't mind lesbians because they are the opposite sex. To me, guys with guys is just wrong, girls with girls isn't wrong. Secondly, I wouldn't want to see lesbians having sex or anything else. But I certainly wouldn't want to see guys having sex with guys.

I don't like gays, my sister doesn't mind gays, but hates lesbians. My whole school hates gays and likely, if you came to my school gay, you would go straight back to your old school.

Now I do have a reason for this. Infact a couple of reasons, some I can think of off the top of head are:

• The queerness, the accent is horrible and wierd
• The gay movements, when I'm in a park I don't want to see gays kissing, thankyou very much
• THEY PUBLICIZE IT. This isn't racist, BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO BE GAY. You can't choose to be fat, you can't choose to be black, you just are. They choose it, and they suffer from it.

I think the black thing is way out of proportion, insulting somebody because they are gay is different to insulting a black person. And for those of you who are racist (which means I hate you)...

Learn to live with them, you have a black president.

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[*]The queerness, the accent is horrible and wierd
[*]The gay movements, when I'm in a park I don't want to see gays kissing, thankyou very much
[*]THEY PUBLICIZE IT. This isn't racist, BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO BE GAY. You can't choose to be fat, you can't choose to be black, you just are. They choose it, and they suffer from it.[/list]

I think the black thing is way out of proportion, insulting somebody because they are gay is different to insulting a black person. And for those of you who are racist (which means I hate you)...

Learn to live with them, you have a black president.

I'm sorry, but Homosexuals don't choose to be as much as Hetrosexuals have no choice in the matter. From what I can gather through friendships with people of all orientation, your sexual preferences are defined way before you're ready to understand them.

Let me put it this way: you don't choose to be interested in a certain type of music, you're just moved by whatever moves you. It's not something you can control while being honest with yourself.

Your post is small minded and your outlooks are harmful, there's really nothing else to it. I'm glad I wasn't subjected to your school.

[乳头的早餐谷物]

THEY PUBLICIZE IT. This isn't racist, BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO BE GAY. You can't choose to be fat, you can't choose to be black, you just are. They choose it, and they suffer from it.

THEY DO NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY

HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE

WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT MAKES SENSE

I mean. Do straight people choose to be attracted to the opposite sex? Of course not. They just are. Give me a coherent reason for why things would be any different for gay people.

(You can't.)

Heck, if it were really a choice, wouldn't everyone be bisexual?

[Evil_Sire]

Well a man being attached to a woman is natural. They choose to like other men.

Well, I wouldn't know.

[乳头的早餐谷物]

Well a man being attached to a woman is natural. They choose to like other men.

Well, I wouldn't know.

So, do gay guys start out being attracted to women and then decide to "change sides"? Why would they do that? "I like the ladies, but I think I'll choose to be attracted to guys instead."

That makes no sense. I was trying to come up with a logical argument here but I'm finding it too difficult to grasp the concept of being able to choose who you're attracted to. It's like saying 2 + 2 = 5. It's inherently incorrect. By definition it's not something you choose, it's something deep inside you that instantly happens without any conscious thought. This is the nature of sexual attraction. A straight male would surely agree with my observation that no conscious thought, choice, or deliberation goes into registering the attractiveness of a attractive woman. It's just the way it is; as you say, it's natural.

So, let's consider gay people. There are two options:

1) They're not actually attracted to the same sex; gay men don't like other men and gay women don't like other women. Clearly, not a logical conclusion.

2) They really are attracted to the same sex; we've already agreed that sexual attraction occurs without any conscious decision-making, so we can conclude gay people have no choice in the matter. This conclusion seems to fit perfectly—we have winner!

[DemonzLunchBreak]

Well a man being attached to a woman is natural. They choose to like other men.

natural != morally correct

[crescor]

I really can't see the point of being against gay people. They don't bother you, so stop bothering them.

[Skyling]

Well a man being attached to a woman is natural.

What exactly is unnatural about being gay?

[lord_day]

Well a man being attached to a woman is natural. They choose to like other men.

Well, I wouldn't know.

So, do gay guys start out being attracted to women and then decide to "change sides"? Why would they do that? "I like the ladies, but I think I'll choose to be attracted to guys instead."

It's more along the lines of:

VADER There is no escape.Don't make me destroy you. You do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your feelings. Join me and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.

EVIL_SIRE I'll never join you!

VADER If you only knew the power of the
dark side. Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.

EVIL_SIRE He told me enough! It was you who killed him.

VADER No. I am your father.

Shocked, EVIL_SIRE looks at Vader in utter disbelief.

EVIL_SIRE No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!

VADER Search your feelings. You know
it to be true.

EVIL_SIRE No! No! No!

VADER EVIL_SIRE. You can destroy the Emperor.He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and together
we can rule the galaxy as father
and son. Come with me. It is the
only way.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

Well a man being attached to a woman is natural.

Pick one of the following:

1. There is a conspiracy among doctors worldwide. Every now and again, they implant a microchip into a newborn's brain to change his sexual preferences to that of the opposite gender. Every animal species on the face of the Earth is secretly as intelligent as humankind and follows this same practice.
2. Homosexuality is natural.

[Radium]

I think the black thing is way out of proportion, insulting somebody because they are gay is different to insulting a black person.

How so?

[Atilla]

The gay movements, when I'm in a park I don't want to see gays kissing, thankyou very much

There are a lot of people who dislike any such PDA. Should they say that any sexuality is immoral and we must all be asexual? If gay people find heterosexual hookups disgusting, should they go around talking crap about straight people?

I think you're confusing "X is wrong" and "I don't like X". Now, I don't really like asparagus, and I wouldn't want to eat it. But I don't think it's wrong or reprehensible for other people to do so - they just have different tastes to me.

THEY PUBLICIZE IT. This isn't racist, BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO BE GAY. You can't choose to be fat, you can't choose to be black, you just are. They choose it, and they suffer from it.

You have got to be kidding. You're claiming sexuality is a choice, but being overweight is not? Now, I know some people suffer from glandular conditions and the like, but for most of the population becoming overweight can be avoided via healthy diet and exercise.

Plus, as several other people have said, being gay isn't a choice. I didn't choose to like chocolate and dislike asparagus, it's just how I am. I didn't choose to like women, either. In my experience, people don't typically say "Hmm, I think I'll decide to be attracted to the opposite sex" when they reach puberty. It just happens.

[Tanner]

I think the black thing is way out of proportion, insulting somebody because they are gay is different to insulting a black person.

How so?

It's way easier to be black than it is to be gay. Black dude doesn't have to come out of the closet to his long-time friends that leaves their relationship strained and forever changed. Black dude never has to have a meeting with his employer to discuss the possible repercussions of his black lifestyle. Black dude never has to sit his mom and dad down and tell 'em, "Mom, dad? I hope you still love me but... I'm black."

[Condog]

I think the black thing is way out of proportion, insulting somebody because they are gay is different to insulting a black person.

How so?

It's way easier to be black than it is to be gay. Black dude doesn't have to come out of the closet to his long-time friends that leaves their relationship strained and forever changed. Black dude never has to have a meeting with his employer to discuss the possible repercussions of his black lifestyle. Black dude never has to sit his mom and dad down and tell 'em, "Mom, dad? I hope you still love me but... I'm black."

"And when were you planning on telling us this?"