Are you okay with gays?

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Postby capt_weasle » 2008.10.19 (07:24)

rambo5252 wrote:lol and one time my girlfriend was right next to me and the dude literly ok are u ready he tickled me and i slapped him so hard, then she broke up with me for slapping him lol w/e
I'm pretty sure she left you for other reasons. You might want to look into that.

Also, I'm not fine with thinking homosexuality is right, but I certainly do not hate them, nor condone taking away rights. If they want to get married, whatever.
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Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2008.10.19 (09:29)

Given that it's election season 'round these parts, there's a Proposition proposed here in California about gay marriage. Proposition 8 will define marriage as the union of a man and a woman (in other words, "Yes on 8" means "no gay marriage," and "No on 8" means "allow gay marriage"). Shockingly, in California of all places, this is actually a more or less evenly divided issue.

Some of my friends and I may or may not have been cruising around downtown in the wee hours of the morning and taking down signs in favor of Prop 8.
So yes, I'm all for consenting people doing whatever the heck makes them happy. I don't understand how someone could be offended given that the outcome I hope for is not "we will force you to marry a gay man."
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Postby behappyy » 2008.10.19 (13:44)

I have nothing against gays and I think that you put that perfectly, Radium. I mean gays are people too, and just because gays are attracted to different people it doesn't mean that they should treated any different.
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Postby Blizzard » 2008.10.19 (13:50)

After reading through the bible concerning such passages, I'm pretty sure that the bible bans anything sexual not intended to make a child, homosexual sex just being one of the ones listed. Gay people are fine, as a group they don't do anything bad, nor is it even really noticeable (I have a few friends who are gay, I'd have never known they were if they hadn't told me).

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Postby SkyPanda » 2008.10.19 (13:51)

Tsukatu wrote:Some of my friends and I may or may not have been cruising around downtown in the wee hours of the morning and taking down signs in favor of Prop 8.
Awesome work :D
I have this weird mental image of a poster with a picture of a gay couple obscured by a large red circle with a line through it, 'no smoking' style. Please tell me the posters weren't like that :P

Yup i'm okay with gays.

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Postby wedgie » 2008.10.19 (14:47)

I can quite happily tolerate gays. I think that everyone deserves the right to do what they want with their life. I don't believe in any religions, so that has no affect on my decisions. I do, however, sometimes have a slight dislike of overly fruity gays. You know the ones. The ones that seem like they are trying too hard to be different by being overly feminine. That just annoys me at times.

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Postby BNW » 2008.10.19 (15:01)

Gays are fine. Let them frolick through their fields if they want. I'll be the one with the chicks.
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Postby TribulatioN » 2008.10.19 (15:17)

There's nothing wrong with being gay. They don't affect us in ways that can harm society. I mean they might get labeled and sink down in popularity or whatnot, but who are we, as the straight people, to say that they can't choose their sexual orientation?
I've got nothing against them.
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Postby Ad » 2008.10.19 (15:20)

One of my best mates is gay. We'll make the occasional dig at him, but he knows it's in jest.
Just like when people insult me for being a left-handed satanfolk, I see the humour. At least, I think they're joking... =(
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Postby Fraxtil » 2008.10.19 (18:31)

Manifest wrote:
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Manifest wrote:I thought about this too, back when I was a Christian, until I found out that the only thing against gays in the Bible is in the chapter Leviticus.
That's not true. There's a verse or two in Romans, as well. Paul was always sort of a crackpot, though.
Mind citing them? I'd be glad to know if I missed them.
Gforce wrote:Sexuality, on the other hand, is certainly not ritualistic.
Maybe not now, but back then it was, beyond a shadow of a doubt. It was one of the most ritualized things around until about 200 years ago (or 50 years ago, depending on who you ask :P ).
My main point being, there are tons of things the Bible says we should stone people about. "Lying with another man as with a woman" is just one of those. If you go condemning them, you better also put on your witch hunting hat, as well as sentencing folks to death for saying "This soup is good enough for Jehovah."
I'd never thought of it that way. However, there is still one hole in this argument: We need to compare the times of the Torah to Jesus' times, rather than to the present day. Today sexuality is far from a ritual, but during Jesus' time things might not have changed too much.

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Postby sept » 2008.10.19 (20:52)

scythe33 wrote:I'm fine with homosexuals, as well as most other -sexuals and -philes.
You're okay with the sickos, the guys who live next to schools and have that whore gay pedophile bath house?
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Postby Skyling » 2008.10.19 (21:52)

sept wrote:
scythe33 wrote:I'm fine with homosexuals, as well as most other -sexuals and -philes.
You're okay with the sickos, the guys who live next to schools and have that whore gay pedophile bath house?
Define "sickos".
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Postby unoriginal name » 2008.10.19 (22:20)

Yes. Yes I am. Simple as that.

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Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2008.10.20 (00:48)

wedgie wrote:I can quite happily tolerate gays. I think that everyone deserves the right to do what they want with their life. I don't believe in any religions, so that has no affect on my decisions. I do, however, sometimes have a slight dislike of overly fruity gays. You know the ones. The ones that seem like they are trying too hard to be different by being overly feminine. That just annoys me at times.
Oh, absolutely. I think someone who claims to unconditionally like gay people is overcompensating and is probably not being honest. They're simply not meaningfully different from the majority that is heterosexual people to be judged and potentially disliked.
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Postby DemonzLunchBreak » 2008.10.20 (01:09)

I don't always like gay people, but I don't have any problem with them or their gayness.
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Postby Cerberus » 2008.10.20 (02:29)

Like everyone else said, I'm fine with gays.

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Postby //Zander » 2008.10.20 (07:18)

nope, I'm not
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Postby Radium » 2008.10.20 (14:29)

//Zander wrote:nope, I'm not
Care to explain why?
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Postby Pixon » 2008.10.20 (19:52)

Two of my Moms best friends are gay, and they won the Order of Canada.

They're really nice too. One of them is offering me a job to film his Dance performance.
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Postby Tanner » 2008.10.20 (21:30)

Manifest wrote:
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Manifest wrote:I thought about this too, back when I was a Christian, until I found out that the only thing against gays in the Bible is in the chapter Leviticus.
That's not true. There's a verse or two in Romans, as well. Paul was always sort of a crackpot, though.
Mind citing them? I'd be glad to know if I missed them.
"Likewise also the men, leaving the natural function of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men doing what is inappropriate with men, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error." - Romans 1:27

But, as has already been stated by some brilliant gentleman, Paul's sort of crackpotty.
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Postby jean-luc » 2008.10.21 (03:00)

rennaT wrote:"Likewise also the men, leaving the natural function of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men doing what is inappropriate with men, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error." - Romans 1:27

But, as has already been stated by some brilliant gentleman, Paul's sort of crackpotty.
KJV puts it a touch differently
Romans 1:27 (King James Version; LDS annotated): "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their *lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and recieving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet"
* TOPICAL GUIDE: Homosexuality; Lust

That passage certainly seems quite straightforward on the point. If I want to refute homosexuality being against the Bible (Which I don't entirely want to, I'm content to disagree with the bible) I must question the accuracy of that verse. A great deal of the modern bible is known to be inaccurate to the original inspired text; it's very possible that some monk down the way (or more likely a series of monks, each with small changes) has modified the verse to clarify it, that clarification being in opposition to the verse's original intent.
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Postby //Zander » 2008.10.21 (03:14)

Radium wrote:
//Zander wrote:nope, I'm not
Care to explain why?
well it's a religious thing. I've had this argument and discussion many times. see: http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... osexuality
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Postby Geti » 2008.10.21 (04:00)

Tsukatu wrote:
wedgie wrote:I can quite happily tolerate gays. I think that everyone deserves the right to do what they want with their life. I don't believe in any religions, so that has no affect on my decisions. I do, however, sometimes have a slight dislike of overly fruity gays. You know the ones. The ones that seem like they are trying too hard to be different by being overly feminine. That just annoys me at times.
Oh, absolutely. I think someone who claims to unconditionally like gay people is overcompensating and is probably not being honest. They're simply not meaningfully different from the majority that is heterosexual people to be judged and potentially disliked.
definitely. eg. i have a friend who acts gay, but uses "<name> likes willies" as almost a catchphrase. humourously, he is damn scared whenever i ask him what he has against them. he annoys me with this, its as though he doesn't quite know where he's going with anything,. the trials of a perverted teen eh?
in any case, i dont see whats bad about it. whats wrong with liking boys? sexists. :)
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Postby Mr__X » 2008.10.21 (04:07)

Tsukatu wrote:I don't understand how someone could be offended given that the outcome I hope for is not "we will force you to marry a gay man."
Really, the arguments (tv ads and such) for the proposition are just ridiculous. They're things like "THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON THE GAY LIFESTYLE, JUST AN ATTEMPT TO PROTECT MARRIAGE" and "If we allow gay marriage, then our schools will start teaching kids it's okay!! DID YOU HEAR US?!?! THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE ALL OF OUR KIDS GAY!!!!"
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