One's Own Identity

[otters~1]

What's that angry-limbless-duck-looking thing the bear is holding?

Some sort of pipe or maybe it's just a duck.

(I can't talk back to you, scythe! Your name is blue!)

[bobaganuesh_2]

Traditions and holiday practices are fucking stupid. Many of them have even become mockeries of the original reasons they were celebrated. The only reason your culture would celebrate some events and not others are accident of birth, and this is by no means a decent reason. The practices of these remembrance holidays so bizarre as to make one wonder how people could think they were the best means to celebrate the holiday. You will never find a reason to celebrate these ridiculous holidays by their ridiculous practices apart from the fact that the majority of your culture is doing so.
In other words, I think you and I see eye to eye on this.

Nonetheless, I found it's best to shut up and wear the stupid flower, eat the stupid turkey, decorate the stupid tree, dress up like a tard and yell "bloogie-woogie-woo", etc. It's not worth it to be some kind of counter-culturalist revolutionary, because that would require taking the cause seriously, which it is far from deserving.
I'd like these stupid traditions to go away, but it'd be ridiculous to take an active stance against it (and the sheeple would unify mindlessly against you if you did anyway). Instead, I settle for begrudgingly doing the bare minimum to follow the required practices and never encourage anyone or organize anything for myself. I put my focus on enjoying the festivities for their own sake, with the silly motivations for them completely aside, because they usually feature alcohol and pretty girls.

In the long term, holidays disappear because people stop caring about them and taking them seriously, not because of activism like refusing to wear a flower.
So wear the stupid flower.

eat the stupid turkey

As totally and completely meaningless as it may be, Thanksgiving is still fucking awesome because I can stuff myself with turkey and mashed potatoes and pumpkin pie at pretty much any location in the US. Don't be dissin' my turkey.

In general though, I agree with the theme of this thread. Which is why I treat halloween as simply an excuse to eat more candy.

You don't need an excuse to eat more candy :D

In regards to the OP, is it really that much of an inconvenience to wear the flower? I would think that by looking out of place and giving the impression that you don't support the holiday (which may not be true, but people may perceive it that way), you'd end up with more problems by not wearing the flower than you would by wearing it. It's not like you have to wear ankle weights or something; just put the flower on for one day and be done with it.

I'll respond to both of these at once:

I don't have a problem with wearing the poppy, it's just the reasoning behind it. I completely agree with the common consentive that thanks to "our" soldiers, we're not living in a pan-dictatorship. But like the OP saiys, it's from the luck of the draw that society is subtly poking at me to wear the poppy vs. another society issuing death threats at me to wear the veil. On a related note, I don't prefer Yim Kippur over Kwanzaa or Kwanzaa over Mesoamerican human sacrifice.

Back to the "being responsible" thing. Recently I heard that "only hipsters listen to Crystal Castles". wat. Since when does listening to certain music make you responsible for a particular wardrobe, and hence a certain sub-culture, and hence certain values?

Ideally I'd like all "aspects" of myself to be not dependant on each other; my musical tastes would not necessitate fully towards my wardrobe, but could contribute to it to a degree; neither would fully necessitate my political interests but may have some iota of influence; etc.

The problem is, how can I destroy the responsibility "between" my other kinds of preferences? For whatever psychosexualbiological reasons, me being "Caucasian" necessiates fully my non-desire for black women. The relationship between the body and the biopsychosexual desires, and between the mind and the subconcious desires are not equal (I think this equation is wonky, i.e. the relationship is fuzzy). It works contrary to my artistic preferences.

Does anyone else notice this contradiction?

EDIT: Tanner if you have nothing to contibute constructively and/or in a non-somewhat-inflammatory manner against Maxxxon or any one else in this thread, then leave.

gloomp, you can defenitely, absolutely fuck off. To come into the debate forum out of nowhere (considering that you're not prone to debate let alone post in the debate forum) just to flame someone is unfathomable. I mean, come on. Leave the guy alone.

[SlappyMcGee]

Fuck off, boba.

[scythe]

Back to the "being responsible" thing. Recently I heard that "only hipsters listen to Crystal Castles". wat. Since when does listening to certain music make you responsible for a particular wardrobe, and hence a certain sub-culture, and hence certain values?

Why would that even enter into your process of deciding what music to listen to? If you worry so much about what other people think of your tastes, you'll turn into AF. Or maybe you'll turn into a frog. My advice: Hope you get the frog.

Ideally I'd like all "aspects" of myself to be not dependant on each other; my musical tastes would not necessitate fully towards my wardrobe, but could contribute to it to a degree; neither would fully necessitate my political interests but may have some iota of influence; etc.

Haha, okay, now I know what this thread is about. Someone's having an identity crisis.

The problem is, how can I destroy the responsibility "between" my other kinds of preferences? For whatever psychosexualbiological reasons, me being "Caucasian" necessiates fully my non-desire for black women. The relationship between the body and the biopsychosexual desires, and between the mind and the subconcious desires are not equal (I think this equation is wonky, i.e. the relationship is fuzzy). It works contrary to my artistic preferences.

I don't think that it's ever done anyone any good to worry about the motivation for their sexual preferences. If I had to guess, I'd say that it's just the familiarity effect. If your life has mostly consisted of interacting with non-black women, then that's who you'll go for.

I have the same peculiarity. I rarely find myself attracted to a black girl, though it has happened.

Does anyone else notice this contradiction?

It's not a contradiction, it's a non sequitur.

(I can't talk back to you, scythe! Your name is blue!)

Mhm. I'll be taking that 10% of your daily income, now.

[squibbles]

Back to the "being responsible" thing. Recently I heard that "only hipsters listen to Crystal Castles". wat. Since when does listening to certain music make you responsible for a particular wardrobe, and hence a certain sub-culture, and hence certain values?

Why would that even enter into your process of deciding what music to listen to? If you worry so much about what other people think of your tastes, you'll turn into AF. Or maybe you'll turn into a frog. My advice: Hope you get the frog.

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[noops]

Back to the "being responsible" thing. Recently I heard that "only hipsters listen to Crystal Castles". wat. Since when does listening to certain music make you responsible for a particular wardrobe, and hence a certain sub-culture, and hence certain values?

Why would that even enter into your process of deciding what music to listen to? If you worry so much about what other people think of your tastes, you'll turn into AF. Or maybe you'll turn into a frog. My advice: Hope you get the frog.

http://pastebin.com/hbFWrm00

whaaaaaaaaaaat the fuuuuuuuck.

Also, what suki said. We do this shit because it's easy and sometimes fun. I do not believe in Santa Clause or Jesus. But I celebrate Christmas because I get cool new things, and it's so expected that stigma is bestowed upon those who don't participate. To a certain extent anyway.

[Heartattack]

http://pastebin.com/hbFWrm00

Makes me sad I'm IRCless ;____;

[otters~1]

http://pastebin.com/hbFWrm00

I bet hippocrites are really cute! :3

[bobaganuesh_2]

Back to the "being responsible" thing. Recently I heard that "only hipsters listen to Crystal Castles". wat. Since when does listening to certain music make you responsible for a particular wardrobe, and hence a certain sub-culture, and hence certain values?

Why would that even enter into your process of deciding what music to listen to? If you worry so much about what other people think of your tastes, you'll turn into AF. Or maybe you'll turn into a frog. My advice: Hope you get the frog.

I could care less what people think about my musical tastes, I'm only pointing out the logically fallacy in the statement "lo-fi elecotronica denotes hipsterdom", at least frm my point of view.

Ideally I'd like all "aspects" of myself to be not dependant on each other; my musical tastes would not necessitate fully towards my wardrobe, but could contribute to it to a degree; neither would fully necessitate my political interests but may have some iota of influence; etc.

Haha, okay, now I know what this thread is about. Someone's having an identity crisis.

Nah. I'm just too lazy to wear a commemorative flower.

The problem is, how can I destroy the responsibility "between" my other kinds of preferences? For whatever psychosexualbiological reasons, me being "Caucasian" necessiates fully my non-desire for black women. The relationship between the body and the biopsychosexual desires, and between the mind and the subconcious desires are not equal (I think this equation is wonky, i.e. the relationship is fuzzy). It works contrary to my artistic preferences.

I don't think that it's ever done anyone any good to worry about the motivation for their sexual preferences. If I had to guess, I'd say that it's just the familiarity effect. If your life has mostly consisted of interacting with non-black women, then that's who you'll go for.

I have the same peculiarity. I rarely find myself attracted to a black girl, though it has happened.

Familiarity makes perfect sense, but one's inability to be transcend their sexual preferences contradicts the concept of one being able to transcend their culture. There's no transcendance taking place on all planes of the human.

Does anyone else notice this contradiction?

It's not a contradiction, it's a non sequitur.

Ah.

[scythe]

Sexual preferences are weird like that.

I can think of about six billion people who would like to have more control of their sex drive.

[bobaganuesh_2]

Fuck off, boba.

Okay then, SlappyMcGee. Explain to me why you wrote what I presume is a response to the remarks I directed at Tanner and gloomp.

[Tanner]

Yo, bobaganuesh, Maxxxon completely missed the point of this thread in the most spectacular way. The entirety with which he misunderstood what everyone comprehended was so all-encompassing that I felt it was worth pointing out. I'm sorry that you feel otherwise but, to be fair, if I'm ever stupid enough not to actually read what I'm replying to, I expect you and everyone else in this community to call me on it with the same level of disdain that I reserve for the individual in question. If you doubt me for a moment I will refer you to the numerous times in which SlappyMcGee and I have butted heads on various issues. Sometimes, when people behave in a manner meriting shame, shame must be dispensed. It's equally important that people like yourself feel comfortable to reign things in when shit gets too hot but, in this particular case, you're going to have to convince me a little further that I was out of line.

No hard feelings. In the immortal words of Slim Charles, "Game's the same, just got more fierce."

[bobaganuesh_2]

No, you were fairly reasonable, in retrospect. gloomp crossed the line, in my opinion.

[unoriginal name]

No, you were fairly reasonable, in retrospect. gloomp crossed the line, in my opinion.

Okay.

[mintnut]

I'm mighty confused. You wear poppies in canada? I live in Britain, and we wear poppies on (and around) the 11th of November because that is remembrance day. Everyone in the country has a minute silence at 11am to remember the dead from all wars since WWI who sacrificed their freedom for us and the nation. As for the poppies, when you get your poppy you make a donation to the British legion, a charity that provides support for (ex-)servicemen and their families.

I'd be interested to know where any money raised from your poppies goes. As for wearing them, there isn't really a massive social stigma from not wearing them, although there'd be a fuss if someone in a position of importance or someone on tv didn't. I usually buy one, but then tend not to wear it.

As for your points for not wearing them, I think you're being a bit obtuse. Just because you have no control over who you are or where you live does not mean that you don't necessarily owe anything to your ancestors, or that you should have no support for their cause.

(I'll admit I tl;dr'd a lot of this thread, so if I haven't fully understood something, or my points are null by now, I apologise.)

[Big Bird]

In regards to the OP, is it really that much of an inconvenience to wear the flower? I would think that by looking out of place and giving the impression that you don't support the holiday (which may not be true, but people may perceive it that way), you'd end up with more problems by not wearing the flower than you would by wearing it. It's not like you have to wear ankle weights or something; just put the flower on for one day and be done with it.

Congratulations on completely misunderstanding everything so thoroughly. You really don't mess around, do you?

Rather than being a jackass, care to explain how?

...Nah, you know what, forget it. I'm out of friends on this forum anyway. Fuck you all.

welcome to the internet

[Kablizzy]

welcome to the internet

Hi there, who the fuck are you?

[krusch]

Messed up quote tags, Blizzy? This confuses and perplexes me, as my frail sense of identity is founded on Blizzolidarity.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

Messed up quote tags, Blizzy? This confuses and perplexes me, as my frail sense of identity is founded on Blizzolidarity.[/quote]

A true Blizzolidarian would never have accused Blizz of screwing up. If at any point you perceive him to be doing something wrong, the problem is actually on your end.
This use of quote tags is correct and has always been correct. It seems a temporary glitch in the forum software is rendering them poorly.

[Tanner]

YOUR PERCEPTION OF REALITY IS INCORRECT
WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MAKING OUT FOR 10 MINUTES
STOP RESISTING, HUMAN

[bobaganuesh_2]

I'm mighty confused. You wear poppies in canada? I live in Britain, and we wear poppies on (and around) the 11th of November because that is remembrance day. Everyone in the country has a minute silence at 11am to remember the dead from all wars since WWI who sacrificed their freedom for us and the nation. As for the poppies, when you get your poppy you make a donation to the British legion, a charity that provides support for (ex-)servicemen and their families.

I'd be interested to know where any money raised from your poppies goes. As for wearing them, there isn't really a massive social stigma from not wearing them, although there'd be a fuss if someone in a position of importance or someone on tv didn't. I usually buy one, but then tend not to wear it.

As for your points for not wearing them, I think you're being a bit obtuse. Just because you have no control over who you are or where you live does not mean that you don't necessarily owe anything to your ancestors, or that you should have no support for their cause.

(I'll admit I tl;dr'd a lot of this thread, so if I haven't fully understood something, or my points are null by now, I apologise.)

Yeah, we wear poppies in rememberance of the soldiers that fought in all wars, including wars currently being fought. There's no mandatory donation, but I guess one could stroll over to the nearest legion and donate a buck. This entails that I have no idea where the money raised fro

Yes, I agree that I was expressing a rather obtuse sentiment. It's more of a response to the potential radical support for supporting our troops, but I'm not completely detached from my lineage or nationality to the point that I'd be apathetic to everything and everyone around me.

[Kablizzy]

Messed up quote tags, Blizzy? This confuses and perplexes me, as my frail sense of identity is founded on Blizzolidarity.[/quote]

What? That post is pristine, and unedited.

[krusch]

fuck thise and the minduck is it's sending me is this is it's a COMMUNIST COMPUTER GOD CIA GANGSTER POLICE FRANKENSTEIN RADIO CONTROL CONSPIRACY

[Tanner]

THE BRAINTHOUGHTS BROADCASTING RADIO
EVEN IN THIN SKULLS OF WHITE PEDIGREE MALES
THERE IS NO ESCAPE FROM THIS GANGSTER POLICE STATE
DEADLY ASSAULTS EVEN IN MY YARD

[Tanner]

Double post: I just watched Freakonomics (because I am behind the times) and it proposed that the situations that result in you having a particular kind of a name have more to do with the kind of life you live than the name itself. Seems reasonable.