Do you believe in God(s)?

[jackass]

Me personally i dont beleive in any religions ... and never have really taken an interest

But do respect those who do

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

I believe in Humankind's inherent fear of the unknown and our desire to place ourselves as the absolute pinnacle of evolution/creation.

Who said anything about absolute? We're still getting there; the Technological Singularity hasn't occurred yet.

Me personally i dont beleive in any religions ... and never have really taken an interest

But do respect those who do

Why?

[otters]

Me personally i dont beleive in any religions ... and never have really taken an interest

But do respect those who do

Why?

Why not?

[kkstrong]

I believe in a god, just not the god.

[DemonzLunchBreak]

the Technological Singularity hasn't occurred yet.

Kind of a religious belief for an atheist.

Why not?

Burden of proof, guy. Ideas aren't inherently worthy of respect.

[blue_tetris]

I don't there is sufficient evidence to either believe or disbelieve in an eventual technological singularity.



On a serious note:

Also, I think it's perfectly fine to respect everyone, regardless of their beliefs. If I can answer for incluye, it's because I think that there is utility to being as social a being as possible, and this requires resisting the urge to distrust or disrespect people. Being divisive or showing disrespect has often in the past led to problems and the ability to create progress. I think progress is good; therefore anything that fosters progress I also see as good.

One could easily ask: "Why do you choose not to respect them?" And I can only imagine one of your possible answers is "Why not? They haven't given me any reason to!" I think it's about time the misanthrope explained himself. All of these questions boils down to something subjective: "I think..." If you said "Religion has killed countless people and encouraged violence!", someone could challenge "And why is that bad?" Eventually, you are on subjective moral ground--and someone needs to stop asking why.



The questioning habits of the Suki/Demonz group have gotten a little cyclical and a little hypocritical. I can't imagine they would deal with someone offering the same line of questioning for very long before flipping out, calling the opponent illogical, or targeting them specifically. And it's sad that the two of them have collectively gotten to that point, because they used to be an amazing team.

u _> u

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

Me personally i dont beleive in any religions ... and never have really taken an interest

But do respect those who do

Why?

Why not?

That's not the question to be answered. Christ, how many times does Burden of Proof have to be mentioned before any of you children get the picture?
You don't just do things if you can't find a lack of a reason not to - you need to consider the reasons for doing them first and foremost, and if those are more compelling than inaction, only then do you even begin looking for reasons against.
It's really not that difficult.

Here's the process laid out for you:

• You assert something. The default position is that your assertion is invalid (false). Mind you, that doesn't mean that the opposite of your assertion is true by default (the opposite is also false by default, until it follows this same process), but only that your assertion cannot be trusted to be correct.
• You must provide at least one compelling reason that your assertion is valid. If no one is able to challenge your reasoning, then your assertion is valid, and it is completely acceptable to believe it.
• If anyone manages to challenge your reasoning and you're unable to defend it, then that reasoning can't be supported and it is unable to validate your assertion. If your assertion has no more validating reasons, it defaults to false.
• Or in the more devastating case, if anyone manages to find an inconsistency within your initial assertion, with all supporting reason completely aside, that not only defeats all of the supporting reasoning in its entirety and reduces the assertion to its default of false, but also provides a compelling reason to believe that the opposite of the assertion is true.
• If your assertion appears to be consistent and at least one supporting reason is compelling enough to believe it, then it will be accepted as true.

For example:
I assert that I'm posting this on the online forum at http://Forum.TheRealN.com.
The easiest way to provide compelling reasoning in support is demonstration - this post exists, the forum exists, and look where this post is.
If you can defeat that reason, I can probably come up with plenty more. So far as I understand it, though, this reasoning cannot be meaningfully challenged (don't start with the solipsism).
So far as I understand it, the assertion is also self-consistent. If I had said that this post is also a dog, you'd know that that can't be right because a dog is not an abstract noun, and this post is not a physical thing.
You can't challenge my reasoning on this assertion, nor can you find any inconsistencies in it, and so you must accept that it's very probably valid. You can still take the cop-out position and say that you don't understand the assertion and/or the reasoning, and so you must suspend judgment, but that's silly to do in a trivial case like this.

Now let's assume that we live in Ass-Backwards Incluye World where assertions have to be proven false before they're discarded, and the default value of things is true (in other words, guilty until proven innocent).
I say invisible pink unicorns exist. You ask why I think that's true, and I flip you the bird. I ask why you think they don't exist.
You can't give me a compelling reason as to why an invisible pink unicorn can't exist as long as I keep mounting on properties that make them impossible for humans to observe or be affected by them. You will fail miserably to disprove my invisible pink unicorns, and so you must accept the default that the assertion is true. It would be in your best interests to begin acting as though invisible pink unicorns existed as I described them.
And I can do this for a theoretically infinite number of things, and you'd be foolish not to believe them all, because they're all logical according to Ass-Backwards Incluye Logic.

Another example that's a bit closer to heart:
I've met people who have asserted the existence of something they call God.
I ask why they believe this. They say they've seen Him and felt Him in a way that, to them, is undeniably His doing.
And that's all well and good to me. Well, I'd make the case that what they should be asserting is "I should believe the existence of the thing I call God," because they certainly have compelling reason to that I can't challenge, and provided they don't make the mistake of trying to define God in an inconsistent way (which is just about every way that I've seen people try to define the word "God"), then I will happily accept that that ammended assertion is true: they should believe in the thing they call God.
So it's important to note here that I can't contest their reasoning, because they've laid it out in purely subjective terms. I could try to argue that they might be mistaken, but they've already said that it's undeniable, however the hell it is that they know that (I don't know; I don't have their brain). I will agree that "I should believe in God" if "I am convinced that I have experienced God." But if he tries to suggest that I, or that anyone else for that matter, should believe in God, and he can't give anything other than that reason, then that's not a compelling reason anymore and it just won't fly.

And then you have tragic cases like most world religions today, which have both innumerable inconsistencies within the initial assertion as well as no compelling reason whatsoever to believe in them.

Intelligent Design at least sort of tries. It starts off well enough in that it adopts a skepticism of Evolution, which is perfectly respectable. (It plays the same role relative to Evolution as atheism plays to theism - it denies.) But then it asserts that if Evolution is false then Creationism must be true, and that's an assertion that has no compelling reason to believe it.

[blue_tetris]

Check my post above yours. I was in the process of editing it.



But, yeah, it seems whoever is on the questioning end has to offer proof. And then either Suki or Demonz can sweep in to offer more questioning. So long as it isn't about either one of them, the railroad of questioning continues. And narry will they need to offer proof of the opposite.

As long as the other guy can't endure the endless gauntlet of "Why?"s that follow their statement, it simply must be false and proof negative never needs to be given.

Ergo, for this particular pointless argument, disrespecting people must be the way to go.

[otters]

Why not?

That's not the question to be answered. *giant post*

What's the problem with respecting people whose views are different than yours?
Okay. My answer is: "Because they deserve it." Essentially, I agree with Dave.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

Ouch.
That wasn't entirely accurate, though. I would hope that you'd still think of me as a reasonable person overall, for one thing, and it also seems that you're attempting to stereotype me.
Also, Dave is illogical, and I've seen him eat a live kitten once.

Also, I think it's perfectly fine to respect everyone, regardless of their beliefs. If I can answer for incluye, it's because I think that there is utility to being as social a being as possible, and this requires resisting the urge to distrust or disrespect people.

And I also think that's a perfectly fine base assumption to make about people. I'll happily agree with the assertion that one should be respectful of everyone he meets. I do follow the Superior Golden Rule, after all.
But to stretch that respect out to all persons under all conditions is just insane. For me, fervent religious belief is one of the respect deal-breakers: if you've invested a lot of time studying your religion, including what opposing parties have to say against it, and you still come out with your faith, then you lose a lot of respect from me. I'm impatient with such people except where I enjoy myself in debating with them and being right.

But all the same, my views have changed in the past, and frequently at that. Some of them even seemed like they were at the drop of a hat. I accept what people can convince me of - this is easier to do for some subjects than others, depending upon how little I know - and I've demonstrated this throughout my life. I've even had my views turned completely around in arguments that were going on in much the same way you've seen me conduct them - having a jolly time, sometimes at the opponent's expense.
So on the off-chance that it might turn up in your response, don't you be implying that I'm zealous about any of my views.

Being divisive or showing disrespect has often in the past led to problems and the ability to create progress. I think progress is good; therefore anything that fosters progress I also see as good.

I'm still a social creature, Dave. More so than most people I know, even. Do you know how I pull it off? I don't wear my disrespect on my sleeve.
I interact daily with people whose views I find completely laughable and even insane, but I don't demonstrate that in any way. I tend to make closer friends with people I respect more, obviously, but it's still very useful to maintain a positive relationship with people I disrespect.

I think maybe one of the key differences between you and me, Dave, is that I don't extend as much of my social mannerisms toward people I meet online. Don't get me wrong here - I'm not saying that that's a bad or dumb thing to do, just that I don't do it and you do. I won't pretend to like people here, and I'll be more up front about what I think with them, whereas I'd be much more tactful with people in my real-world life.
(I think the difference for me might be that what people type doesn't show a face. If I were to argue with people over webcam or something, I think I'd be much nicer. See also http://www.xkcd.com/438 )

I think progress is good; therefore anything that fosters progress I also see as good.

I couldn't fail to disagree less.

One could easily ask: "Why do you choose not to respect them?" And I can only imagine one of your possible answers is "Why not? They haven't given me any reason to!" I think it's about time the misanthrope explained himself.

I don't see what the big deal is, here. I respect people if I don't know them, and then whether or not I keep that respect is based on further knowledge of them. Critical thinking skills and capacity for reason are things I happen to value very highly, and so if someone is lacking in those areas then I clearly don't respect them so much anymore.
I agree with the assertion that I should default to respectfulness. If I don't know someone, then obviously I wouldn't ask the question "why respect them" because I've already accepted that I should default to respectfulness. And I'm not asking that. But if you're referencing a body of people who do have something to tell me about themselves, then I obviously have something other than nothing to gauge my respect for them. In this case, that body of people is a group with whom I associate lacking critical thinking skills and capacity for reason, so obviously the amount of respect I have for those people is going to be lower because I know they're religious. And I think this is a reasonable thing to do because it has been my experience: critical thinking is the cure for religion; if they had strong critical thinking skills, they wouldn't be religious.
I don't think that's inconsistent or hypocritical in the slightest.
My question was about why religiosity is something to respect people for, as opposed to what I have known it to be in my experience. That's why my question was a simple "why," and it was intended that he not know my bias so that he could answer honestly, so thanks for sawing the wings off of that angel. Notice that I did not say, "that's retarded. You're retarded. Stop being such a retard with retarded thoughts, retard." I want to hear his reasoning because I haven't heard his side of things yet, and if it's potentially enough to convince me to change my mind, I sure as hell want to know what it is.
As for my misanthropy, that's based on the knowledge that the majority are religious, which means that I have little respect for the majority of people. But if you ask me about a more local scope, such as the people I interact with, then I'll tell you that I can't magically tell who is religious and who isn't so I'm going to assume to start off that they're not strongly religious, if at all, and I will default to respect. And even if I find out that they're strongly religious and therefore lose respect for them, it's very unlikely that I'll show it.

The questioning habits of the Suki/Demonz group have gotten a little cyclical and a little hypocritical.
...
And it's sad that the two of them have collectively gotten to that point, because they used to be an amazing team.

And I think your habits of exaggerating negative qualities in other people that you've partially invented happens with alarming regularity. It's like you think that if you're not a goddamned druid, then there must be something wrong with you that you regularly demonstrate in the extreme. And on top of that, you make a habit of implying, when it's all only in your head, that someone involved is bullying or controlling or petty or taking things too seriously, and oh, why can't they be as impartial as laidback as you? And then you play it off like these invented qualities led to some tragic downturn, and that it's unfortunate that things can't be as they did but you imply they aren't anymore.
And it's sad that you've gotten to this point, because you used to be so fun to talk to.

I can't imagine they would deal with someone offering the same line of questioning for very long before flipping out, calling the opponent illogical, or targeting them specifically.

Because we understand that it's not an endurance test. Someone gives an irrational assertion, and some issues are too complicated to resolve in three or four brief exchanges. On top of that, some people don't understand, and some people are zealots. Given all that, it's natural that a debate can carry on for a while, but that doesn't mean that my line of questioning boils down to an endless amount of why's.
Matter of fact, I'm gonna call shenanigans on this right now - I haven't demonstrated that behavior anywhere close to frequently enough for you to make that accusation, if I even have at all. Both you and I know that that's beneath me and that I'd sooner cede the point than resort to that "tactic."

Cockgoggles.

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What's the problem with respecting people whose views are different than yours?

The problem is that you haven't justified it yet. That was, like, the question I started with, dude.

My answer is: "Because they deserve it."

That's not a justification, either.

Essentially, I agree with Dave.

No, you don't. He ate a kitten, remember?

[Pixon]

Maybe, but maybe not.

[otters]

What's the problem with respecting people whose views are different than yours?

The problem is that you haven't justified it yet. That was, like, the question I started with, dude.

My answer is: "Because they deserve it."

That's not a justification, either.

Essentially, I agree with Dave.

No, you don't. He ate a kitten, remember?

Okay, here it is.
I'm a Christian.
Ergo, I feel that it is important to respect people.
Ergo, I will respect people that have views different from me.

On the contrary, Tsukatu, you are obviously not Christian and obviously do not respect people unless they earn it. Therefore, I assume the answer would be "No, you don't have to, but I should."
Except for the fact that the problem was whether we should respect people who have a different religion...which wouldn't apply to you, because you're unreligious.

if you've invested a lot of time studying your religion, including what opposing parties have to say against it, and you still come out with your faith, then you lose a lot of respect from me. I'm impatient with such people except where I enjoy myself in debating with them and being right.

Hahaha. That struck me as funny, I'm not sure why.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

I'm a Christian.
Ergo, I feel that it is important to respect people.

Non-sequitur.

I'm a Christian.
Ergo, I will respect people that have views different from me.

Anti-sequitur.

Try again.

[otters]

I'm a Christian.
Ergo, I feel that it is important to respect people.

Non-sequitur.

Okay...how about "I have morals. Respect is one. Ergo, I feel that it is important to respect people."?
And for the love of God, don't see this as implying that YOU don't have morals.

I'm a Christian.
Ergo, I will respect people that have views different from me.

Anti-sequitur.

Try again.

Okay. "I have morals. Respect is one. Ergo, I feel that it is important to respect people. Ergo, I will respect people that have views different from mine."

[blue_tetris]

Also, I think it's perfectly fine to respect everyone, regardless of their beliefs. If I can answer for incluye, it's because I think that there is utility to being as social a being as possible, and this requires resisting the urge to distrust or disrespect people.

And I also think that's a perfectly fine base assumption to make about people. I'll happily agree with the assertion that one should be respectful of everyone he meets. I do follow the Superior Golden Rule, after all.
But to stretch that respect out to all persons under all conditions is just insane.

No one did that. You did just now to make the opposing argument seem extreme, whereby you could knock it down. The quote was:

Me personally i dont beleive in any religions ... and never have really taken an interest

But do respect those who do

He didn't say he respected all who do. He just stated what was, to me, a willingness to appreciate people who do believe in religions. We may have read it differently. I can't imagine even a devout Christian will say that they respect every last religious person, so I presumed he meant it was okay to respect people with religions.

For me, fervent religious belief is one of the respect deal-breakers: if you've invested a lot of time studying your religion, including what opposing parties have to say against it, and you still come out with your faith, then you lose a lot of respect from me. I'm impatient with such people except where I enjoy myself in debating with them and being right.

Some people could lose respect from me by acting unethically or illogically. Some fundamentalists act unethically or illogically as a result of a religious belief.

What you said doesn't really add up. You explained that you don't respect people because they've heard the other side and stayed religious. But you didn't explain why. Why do you lose respect for someone that you perceive as being unable to come to the same conclusion as you?

Being divisive or showing disrespect has often in the past led to problems and the ability to create progress. I think progress is good; therefore anything that fosters progress I also see as good.

I'm still a social creature, Dave. More so than most people I know, even. Do you know how I pull it off? I don't wear my disrespect on my sleeve.
I interact daily with people whose views I find completely laughable and even insane, but I don't demonstrate that in any way. I tend to make closer friends with people I respect more, obviously, but it's still very useful to maintain a positive relationship with people I disrespect.

I can't imagine you'd have strong feelings that wouldn't affect you, at least a little bit, in actions that you take. Unless you're that robot guy who wanted to kill himself.

But, for me, the scientific approach favors behavior over cognition. If you wake up every day and give all of your money to homeless people, I'll say you're a nice guy. If you tell me you hate homeless people, I'll assume you're not a nice guy. If you give your money to homeless people and you say that you hate homeless people, I'll say you're nice guy. So I think you must secretly be a humanist if you're treating these people nice. Either that, or you're experiencing a heavy dose of cognative dissonance.

I think maybe one of the key differences between you and me, Dave, is that I don't extend as much of my social mannerisms toward people I meet online. Don't get me wrong here - I'm not saying that that's a bad or dumb thing to do, just that I don't do it and you do. I won't pretend to like people here, and I'll be more up front about what I think with them, whereas I'd be much more tactful with people in my real-world life.
(I think the difference for me might be that what people type doesn't show a face. If I were to argue with people over webcam or something, I think I'd be much nicer. See also http://www.xkcd.com/438 )

I think that's a problem. If you bottle up all your real life opinions and emotions in your chassis, eventually your robot mind will be overpowered.

One could easily ask: "Why do you choose not to respect them?" And I can only imagine one of your possible answers is "Why not? They haven't given me any reason to!" I think it's about time the misanthrope explained himself.

I don't see what the big deal is, here. I respect people if I don't know them, and then whether or not I keep that respect is based on further knowledge of them. Critical thinking skills and capacity for reason are things I happen to value very highly, and so if someone is lacking in those areas then I clearly don't respect them so much anymore.

Nah. I said "It's about time the misanthrope explained himself" in an effort to shift a burden of proof back the way it came. And you responded with "I don't see what the big deal is, here." I feel a mild victory over that reaction, considering that you figured having to explain yourself was some big deal. But it's not a big deal to you if, say, incluye has to do it. This is where that "hypocrisy" claim I made up comes from. You can get really nasty to people who are curious why you think some way about something, but you act surprised when people act the same way under your line of questioning.

The questioning habits of the Suki/Demonz group have gotten a little cyclical and a little hypocritical.
...
And it's sad that the two of them have collectively gotten to that point, because they used to be an amazing team.

And I think your habits of exaggerating negative qualities in other people that you've partially invented happens with alarming regularity. It's like you think that if you're not a goddamned druid, then there must be something wrong with you that you regularly demonstrate in the extreme.

Do I do that? I have in the past accused people of over-exaggerating their opposition's side in order to make them seem illogical. Like you in that guns thread or earlier in this post.

But I have noted in the past that you drive questions like you're a lawyer trying to win a case instead of find the truth. This isn't the first time I've talked about it.

The Suki/Demonz thing I said was just trolling. It was pretty hilarious, though, and I was hoping Demonz would find it first. You need to learn to stop taking things too seriously, being petty about things, and trying to bully incluye.

And on top of that, you make a habit of implying, when it's all only in your head, that someone involved is bullying or controlling or petty or taking things too seriously, and oh, why can't they be as impartial as laidback as you? And then you play it off like these invented qualities led to some tragic downturn, and that it's unfortunate that things can't be as they did but you imply they aren't anymore.
And it's sad that you've gotten to this point, because you used to be so fun to talk to.

I totally do that, though, I'd agree. I don't know what it has to do with this thread or the Debate forum, unless a Friar's Club Roast of <whoever I'm debating with> is what you do to debate these days.

I can't imagine they would deal with someone offering the same line of questioning for very long before flipping out, calling the opponent illogical, or targeting them specifically.

Because we understand that it's not an endurance test. Someone gives an irrational assertion, and some issues are too complicated to resolve in three or four brief exchanges. On top of that, some people don't understand, and some people are zealots. Given all that, it's natural that a debate can carry on for a while, but that doesn't mean that my line of questioning boils down to an endless amount of why's.
Matter of fact, I'm gonna call shenanigans on this right now - I haven't demonstrated that behavior anywhere close to frequently enough for you to make that accusation, if I even have at all. Both you and I know that that's beneath me and that I'd sooner cede the point than resort to that "tactic."

Really? You don't believe you have a zealotry for your certain causes? I think that's false, on all fronts. And because you're saying you haven't demonstrated that anywhere, I'm forced to cite an instance which I otherwise wouldn't care about: Remember that wacky sentience thread? You had this model for sentience done up and you loved the thing. It was made in such a way that computers were sentient and trees were not. It was really neat, but it was a weird thing to have to argue about or support.

Anyhow, as the debate evolved, I explained how trees fit into the model. If the intent was to make a decent model for sentience, that would have been fine. But you really hated that trees fitted into that model. However, instead of changing the model, you needed to change trees. And this led on for a while. You almost had me and Atilla filibustered on time and your macaddictian sense of diligence in that thread. At some long and laborious end, you conceded, but not before doling out unnecessary insults to all parties in a... debate about the sentience of trees and computers.

Maybe I am too laid back. I find that to be silly and pointless, and I did at the time as well. If you can be a zealot about a fake model about computers and trees, I can't imagine you're too far off when you argue atheism. I'd cite some instances of that too, if you really demand an essay.

Hmm. Actually, I won't cite any instances. If you demand more instances, we can just say you filibustered this conversation as well.

Because I really don't care to go down this road. The point was, initially, that some things have subjective ends. For other people in Debate, they resolve that they have an opinion and you have one also, and the debate ends for them. For TsudemonzLunchkatuBreak, you resolve that you have an opinion and they have theirs, and you have to flame them relentlessly or continue harping on a previously answered point which has been led to a subjective end.

A frustrating subjective end, but an end. You'd be the bigger manfusion if you dropped it, having succeded on an objective level. Drawing it on any further means it's no longer a debate and is just an attack. And I won't have that. Not on Dave's forum.

[a happy song]

I believe in Humankind's inherent fear of the unknown and our desire to place ourselves as the absolute pinnacle of evolution/creation.

Who said anything about absolute? We're still getting there; the Technological Singularity hasn't occurred yet.

I meant that these traits caused us to dream ourselves up a creator in the first place.

[Evil_Sire]

Guys guys guys, what's wrong with believing in things?

Shit, I have christian friends who talk with hindus, it's just a belief, something that we should respect (even if we do not agree with it) and learn to accept.

The only religious people to hate are them crazy terrorist guys, like /i live in a/ bin laden.

[DemonzLunchBreak]

Without having read all the towerposts (I will get back to them), let me just make a very important distinction. There is a difference between respecting someone's inane ideas and respecting the person who holds these ideas. I give a basic level of respect to someone if they're a human being, but I do not automatically give respect to the ideas that they hold. For instance, I respect incluye. I do not respect Young Earth Creationism, which incluye (I think) believes in. I can get along perfectly fine with him, but if he brings up YEC, I will not hesitate to call it ridiculous.

I got over that whole "religion is the root of all evil" thing a while ago. It's not. I can't say I'm a huge fan of it, but many other problems that are separate from religion are more important.

[otters]

For instance, I respect incluye. I do not respect Young Earth Creationism, which incluye (I think) believes in.

Old Earth, actually...I changed my views, but...yeah.

[DemonzLunchBreak]

For instance, I respect incluye. I do not respect Young Earth Creationism, which incluye (I think) believes in.

Old Earth, actually...I changed my views, but...yeah.

Oh, cool. In that case, I respect your ideas more than previously.

[blackson]

For instance, I respect incluye. I do not respect Young Earth Creationism, which incluye (I think) believes in.

Old Earth, actually...I changed my views, but...yeah.

Oh, cool. In that case, I respect your ideas more than previously.

This thread gives me the vibe that people are trying to convert or alter other's beliefs to that their own.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

Also, I think it's perfectly fine to respect everyone, regardless of their beliefs. If I can answer for incluye, it's because I think that there is utility to being as social a being as possible, and this requires resisting the urge to distrust or disrespect people.

And I also think that's a perfectly fine base assumption to make about people. I'll happily agree with the assertion that one should be respectful of everyone he meets. I do follow the Superior Golden Rule, after all.
But to stretch that respect out to all persons under all conditions is just insane.

No one did that. You did just now to make the opposing argument seem extreme, whereby you could knock it down. The quote was:

Me personally i dont beleive in any religions ... and never have really taken an interest

But do respect those who do

He didn't say he respected all who do.

I can use "those with penises" to refer to the entirety of the male population (plus a bit extra), and I can use "all those with penises" to refer to exactly the same group. Y'know why? Because they mean exactly the same thing. Because "those" in such a context entails "all."

"Those of us who know better will agree."
"All of us who know better will agree."
"Any of us who knows better will agree."
"Each of us who knows better will agree."
^-- Same sentence.

"Some of us who know better will agree."
^-- No longer the same sentence.

There is no way he wasn't talking about the entirety of religious people.
He stated what was, to me, a willingness to appreciate people who believe in religions.
...oh shit, that's exactly what you said in your very next sentence.

He just stated what was, to me, a willingness to appreciate people who do believe in religions.

I'm a goddamn mind reader or something. This is crazy.

I can't imagine even a devout Christian will say that they respect every last religious person

incluye did.

For me, fervent religious belief is one of the respect deal-breakers: if you've invested a lot of time studying your religion, including what opposing parties have to say against it, and you still come out with your faith, then you lose a lot of respect from me. I'm impatient with such people except where I enjoy myself in debating with them and being right.

What you said doesn't really add up. You explained that you don't respect people because they've heard the other side and stayed religious. But you didn't explain why. Why do you lose respect for someone that you perceive as being unable to come to the same conclusion as you?

Critical thinking skills and capacity for reason are things I happen to value very highly, and so if someone is lacking in those areas then I clearly don't respect them so much anymore.
I agree with the assertion that I should default to respectfulness. If I don't know someone, then obviously I wouldn't ask the question "why respect them" because I've already accepted that I should default to respectfulness. And I'm not asking that. But if you're referencing a body of people who do have something to tell me about themselves, then I obviously have something other than nothing to gauge my respect for them. In this case, that body of people is a group with whom I associate lacking critical thinking skills and capacity for reason, so obviously the amount of respect I have for those people is going to be lower because I know they're religious. And I think this is a reasonable thing to do because it has been my experience: critical thinking is the cure for religion; if they had strong critical thinking skills, they wouldn't be religious.

I'm still a social creature, Dave. More so than most people I know, even. Do you know how I pull it off? I don't wear my disrespect on my sleeve.
I interact daily with people whose views I find completely laughable and even insane, but I don't demonstrate that in any way. I tend to make closer friends with people I respect more, obviously, but it's still very useful to maintain a positive relationship with people I disrespect.

I can't imagine you'd have strong feelings that wouldn't affect you, at least a little bit, in actions that you take. Unless you're that robot guy who wanted to kill himself.
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I think that's a problem. If you bottle up all your real life opinions and emotions in your chassis, eventually your robot mind will be overpowered.

None of it is robotic, and all of it is human. People do this all the time (well, the sociable ones, anyway) - they tolerate people who are difficult to tolerate so they don't demonstrate any negative qualities of their own. If I don't act politely to people I disrespect, people will think I'm an asshole and won't want anything to do with me. They won't tell me what the homework assignment was if I missed class, they won't lend me $5 for lunch, they won't ask their friend if she into me, and otherwise be generally uncooperative. Or they might even go out of their way to make my life unpleasant, as I and my friends do every now and again to this asshole we all know.
Not that this is even such a huge mental and emotional strain that trying to contain "be nice" and "he's an asshole" in the same puny mortal brain is going to obliterate my psyche anyway.
And no one is bottling anything up. What the shit are you talking about?

But, for me, the scientific approach favors behavior over cognition. If you wake up every day and give all of your money to homeless people, I'll say you're a nice guy. If you tell me you hate homeless people, I'll assume you're not a nice guy. If you give your money to homeless people and you say that you hate homeless people, I'll say you're nice guy. So I think you must secretly be a humanist if you're treating these people nice. Either that, or you're experiencing a heavy dose of cognative dissonance.

How about a third option: humans are capable of lying.
I want to see you on live.therealn, looking me in the eye, and telling me you believe that humans are incapable of having an opinion but pretending to have the other without severe diagnosable psychosis.
...and not doing it ironically.

One could easily ask: "Why do you choose not to respect them?" And I can only imagine one of your possible answers is "Why not? They haven't given me any reason to!" I think it's about time the misanthrope explained himself.

I don't see what the big deal is, here. I respect people if I don't know them, and then whether or not I keep that respect is based on further knowledge of them. Critical thinking skills and capacity for reason are things I happen to value very highly, and so if someone is lacking in those areas then I clearly don't respect them so much anymore.

Nah. I said "It's about time the misanthrope explained himself" in an effort to shift a burden of proof back the way it came. And you responded with "I don't see what the big deal is, here." I feel a mild victory over that reaction, considering that you figured having to explain yourself was some big deal.

*cocks eyebrow*
Huh?
First off, for the original statement I quoted you for, it would've been completely inconsistent of me to answer the way you tried to shove in my mouth. If I've just gone off in detail about why "why not" is a retarded answer, I'm not going to be answering with it, am I?
But also, for the "big deal" business...

But it's not a big deal to you if, say, incluye has to do it.

Right. I don't see how it would be a big deal for incluye to explain himself. Y'know, much in the same way that I don't see how it was a big deal when you asked that I was asked to explain myself. I was surprised that you were making a big deal about saying, "well what would the big man say if he were ever challenged to explain himself, hmmm?" Hence, "I don't see what the big deal is, here."

This is where that "hypocrisy" claim I made up comes from. You can get really nasty to people who are curious why you think some way about something, but you act surprised when people act the same way under your line of questioning.

It's quite simple, really: when the burden of proof is on someone else and I've *just* explained that, I'm not going to take kindly to being asked to disprove something.

Because we understand that it's not an endurance test. Someone gives an irrational assertion, and some issues are too complicated to resolve in three or four brief exchanges. On top of that, some people don't understand, and some people are zealots. Given all that, it's natural that a debate can carry on for a while, but that doesn't mean that my line of questioning boils down to an endless amount of why's.
Matter of fact, I'm gonna call shenanigans on this right now - I haven't demonstrated that behavior anywhere close to frequently enough for you to make that accusation, if I even have at all. Both you and I know that that's beneath me and that I'd sooner cede the point than resort to that "tactic."

Really? You don't believe you have a zealotry for your certain causes?

Just for starters, where in that part of my post you quoted do you see anything saying, "I'm not a zealot." I mean, I did say it previously in the post, just not in this part. I just wanted to clarify that "that 'tactic'" refers to asking "why" until the cows come home.

You don't believe you have a zealotry for your certain causes? I think that's false, on all fronts. And because you're saying you haven't demonstrated that anywhere, I'm forced to cite an instance which I otherwise wouldn't care about: Remember that wacky sentience thread? You had this model for sentience done up and you loved the thing. It was made in such a way that computers were sentient and trees were not. It was really neat, but it was a weird thing to have to argue about or support.

Anyhow, as the debate evolved, I explained how trees fit into the model. If the intent was to make a decent model for sentience, that would have been fine. But you really hated that trees fitted into that model. However, instead of changing the model, you needed to change trees. And this led on for a while. You almost had me and Atilla filibustered on time and your macaddictian sense of diligence in that thread. At some long and laborious end, you conceded, but not before doling out unnecessary insults to all parties in a... debate about the sentience of trees and computers.

Hoooold on a second now, I didn't attempt to change or misrepresent the qualities of anything in that thread. That's honestly how I thought trees functioned, and nothing I had seen had convinced me otherwise. I seem to remember things slightly differently, in that I remember them correctly had you actually bothered to take a look at that debate's conclusion. When you gave a reliable (Wikipedia is reliable enough for our purposes) explanation of how trees actually did work, I immediately shut the hell up because I saw that my view then was misinformed. Before then, you hadn't given me any decently good reason to stop thinking that trees worked the way I thought they did. And when you finally came up with a decent reason, I ceded the point completely, abandoned my beloved model (it was pretty cool, though), and accepted your final response as correct.
And it's especially funny that you mention that as an example of my alleged zealotry, since I was thinking about that exact thread when I said I've been known to completely change what I think when I'm given an adequate reason.

If you can be a zealot about a fake model about computers and trees, I can't imagine you're too far off when you argue atheism. I'd cite some instances of that too, if you really demand an essay.

I encourage you to. I take being called a zealot very seriously, as I'm zealous about not thinking or acting like a zealot.

Actually, I won't cite any instances. If you demand more instances, we can just say you filibustered this conversation as well.

Now that's just low. I make an honest attempt to be thorough, and I even go on about how philibustering is exactly the tactic I won't use, but now that you've said a lot and you know I'm going to address every falsity in what you've said, you're freely able to claim tht I'm philibustering. For one thing, as I've already said, you seem to be ignoring the fact that a great many subjects simply have a lot of complexity to them. Maybe you think that a thorough history of our interaction and our debating styles can be summarized in, like, a paragraph or something, whereas I don't think that'd be complete at all. Maybe the information age, what with its ever-shrinking blogs and TV show lengths, has gotten you used to some crazy notion that all of life's mysteries can be fully explained in a one-sentence blurb, but that's not the reality we live in, is it?
But also, there's an obvious difference between philibustering and what I do. Whereas a philibuster relies on talking about the most pointless, circular drivel under the Sun, I have a point in every bit of my response that I want to make. My intention is not to spam - my intention is to demonstrate definitively and with as little room for ambiguity as possible how completely and thoroughly incorrect you are in every implication of every statement you made (except for, obviously, the parts with which I agree; in that case, I'll just say that I agree, and possibly why). The goals are completely different, and it should be pretty obvious if you notice at all that I never talk about irrelevant things.



So if we're finished here...

Me personally i dont beleive in any religions ... and never have really taken an interest

But do respect those who do

Why?


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Okay. "I have morals. Respect is one. Ergo, I feel that it is important to respect people. Ergo, I will respect people that have views different from mine."

Gotcha.
I was just a little confused about the connection between being a Christian and having morals, cuz I've seen plenty of consistent Christians without morals.
But wait, how do you justify being a Christian and respecting people who have views different from yours? I'm confused about this because Christianity (like most world religions) are necessarily totalitarian - they're right and everything else is wrong. I mean, how could it be otherwise? If the Christian God exists and He says there's no such thing as reincarnation, then there's no such thing as reincarnation and everyone who believes in it is completely and totally wrong. And if it's so obvious to you that the Christian God exists, why are they so dumb that they don't realize it? In fact, they're knowingly blaspheming against God for believing something different - how can you respect someone so intentionally blasphemous?
I guess this sort of ties in with my perpetual confusion as to how someone who subscribes to a religion is not an extremist. That just completely escapes me. If you think that God - frickin' God - wants you to read and obey the Bible, then you damned well better center your entire life around it (cuz He gave that to you, too). But I see religious people acting all the time as though they weren't religious at all. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone who believes in something so much bigger that is ordering you to do things is not constantly thinking about his faith.
Now Fred Phelps, on the other hand... there's a consistent Christian. He's a complete nutcase, obviously, but at least he's consistent, which you can't say about non-extremist religious people.

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I can use "those with penises" to refer to the entirety of the male population (plus a bit extra), and I can use "all those with penises" to refer to exactly the same group. Y'know why? Because they mean exactly the same thing. Because "those" in such a context entails "all."

"Those of us who know better will agree."
"All of us who know better will agree."
"Any of us who knows better will agree."
"Each of us who knows better will agree."
^-- Same sentence.

"Some of us who know better will agree."
^-- No longer the same sentence.

There is no way he wasn't talking about the entirety of religious people.
He stated what was, to me, a willingness to appreciate people who believe in religions.
...oh shit, that's exactly what you said in your very next sentence.

I really don't think it requires a mind-reader to have not interpreted his statement to mean "I respect all religious people, regardless." This indicates that you also believe he respects religious rapists and religious murderers. I don't think a rational person would infer that from the sentence. You were claiming that his respect for people who are religious had to be universal and without any possible exception.


I really do view this as irrational thinking on your part. If I say "Yeah, I respect people of different races.", what will you infer about that statement? Does that mean that I cannot possibly disrespect a person of a different race?

I'd go into a long-winded and unnecessary diatribe about how that sentence is interpreted, if I gained the same hollow solace that you gain from putting on your smart kid cap. However, I think the point speaks for itself. If you can't understand the intent behind a sentence by considering your opponent to be least bit rational, then you're just too narcissistic to hold debates with people other than yourself.

He just stated what was, to me, a willingness to appreciate people who do believe in religions.

I'm a goddamn mind reader or something. This is crazy.

I can't imagine even a devout Christian will say that they respect every last religious person

incluye did.

When someone says to me "Hey, I like cookies.", I don't immediately think "Ha! Yeah, you'll eat cookies covered in shit? What's wrong with you!" It's like I'm Miss Cleo.

Critical thinking skills and capacity for reason are things I happen to value very highly, and so if someone is lacking in those areas then I clearly don't respect them so much anymore.

You've explained the modality for when you do and do not respect someone. The question was why. Why do you value critical thinking and capacity for reason?

None of it is robotic, and all of it is human. People do this all the time (well, the sociable ones, anyway) - they tolerate people who are difficult to tolerate so they don't demonstrate any negative qualities of their own. If I don't act politely to people I disrespect, people will think I'm an asshole and won't want anything to do with me. They won't tell me what the homework assignment was if I missed class, they won't lend me $5 for lunch, they won't ask their friend if she into me, and otherwise be generally uncooperative. Or they might even go out of their way to make my life unpleasant, as I and my friends do every now and again to this asshole we all know.

I actually genuinely like the people who are my friends. If they're doing something wrong, I candidly say what it is or what I disagree with. I've actually come to learn things from them, by being willing to share opinions and ideas with them and respecting the ideas they feed back. Maybe I'm weird. I most often act the same way that I feel. Not always, but most often. It's easier, because I'm not constantly brooding and hating people and drawing clowns with flamethrowers on the line paper in my notebook.

And no one is bottling anything up. What the shit are you talking about?

You mentioned you were candid on the Internet and played a line in real life, making sure those people you disrepect don't know it. This means you are keeping something important to yourself. This is synonymous with bottling up. Check WordNet.

How about a third option: humans are capable of lying.
I want to see you on live.therealn, looking me in the eye, and telling me you believe that humans are incapable of having an opinion but pretending to have the other without severe diagnosable psychosis.
...and not doing it ironically.

I've always been a staunch believer in "if you do things enough, you either come to like doing them or you're insane". Even strenuous work, I think a person comes to find a Sisyphean pleasure in getting them done beyond that of the money. If you're constantly lying and have found it to be your most comfortable point in socializing with people, you are likely a mythomaniac.

Hoooold on a second now, I didn't attempt to change or misrepresent the qualities of anything in that thread. That's honestly how I thought trees functioned, and nothing I had seen had convinced me otherwise. I seem to remember things slightly differently, in that I remember them correctly had you actually bothered to take a look at that debate's conclusion. When you gave a reliable (Wikipedia is reliable enough for our purposes) explanation of how trees actually did work, I immediately shut the hell up because I saw that my view then was misinformed. Before then, you hadn't given me any decently good reason to stop thinking that trees worked the way I thought they did. And when you finally came up with a decent reason, I ceded the point completely, abandoned my beloved model (it was pretty cool, though), and accepted your final response as correct.

I had posted plenty of links before that. But, moreover, the point was about your zealotry toward that model. When trees were proven to fit into your model, you threw it out and forfeited the debate. Why was the point just to prove some model instead of achieve a compromise or develop a broader understanding of the subject matter? Hm? What kind of people again aren't willing to find compromise or broaden their view of the universe and instead throw in the towel if they think they might have to change their views....? I know this one...

And it's especially funny that you mention that as an example of my alleged zealotry, since I was thinking about that exact thread when I said I've been known to completely change what I think when I'm given an adequate reason.

I don't think you changed your views. I think you gave up like a dirty Christian.

If you can be a zealot about a fake model about computers and trees, I can't imagine you're too far off when you argue atheism. I'd cite some instances of that too, if you really demand an essay.

I encourage you to. I take being called a zealot very seriously, as I'm zealous about not thinking or acting like a zealot.

This was my favorite one:

It's normal to be racist. (Bunch of debate.) Now, I don't think it's normal for a person to engage in discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race or maintain the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races. But my argument remains true.

(Used WordNet verbatim on that gem. I thought I'd save you the time of grabbing Roget's Thesaurus.)

Actually, I won't cite any instances. If you demand more instances, we can just say you filibustered this conversation as well.

Now that's just low. I make an honest attempt to be thorough, and I even go on about how philibustering is exactly the tactic I won't use, but now that you've said a lot and you know I'm going to address every falsity in what you've said, you're freely able to claim tht I'm philibustering. For one thing, as I've already said, you seem to be ignoring the fact that a great many subjects simply have a lot of complexity to them. Maybe you think that a thorough history of our interaction and our debating styles can be summarized in, like, a paragraph or something, whereas I don't think that'd be complete at all. Maybe the information age, what with its ever-shrinking blogs and TV show lengths, has gotten you used to some crazy notion that all of life's mysteries can be fully explained in a one-sentence blurb, but that's not the reality we live in, is it?
But also, there's an obvious difference between philibustering and what I do. Whereas a philibuster relies on talking about the most pointless, circular drivel under the Sun, I have a point in every bit of my response that I want to make. My intention is not to spam - my intention is to demonstrate definitively and with as little room for ambiguity as possible how completely and thoroughly incorrect you are in every implication of every statement you made (except for, obviously, the parts with which I agree; in that case, I'll just say that I agree, and possibly why). The goals are completely different, and it should be pretty obvious if you notice at all that I never talk about irrelevant things.

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Where have you been on Vent?

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I really don't think it requires a mind-reader to have not interpreted his statement to mean "I respect all religious people, regardless." This indicates that you also believe he respects religious rapists and religious murderers. I don't think a rational person would infer that from the sentence. You were claiming that his respect for people who are religious had to be universal and without any possible exception.


I really do view this as irrational thinking on your part. If I say "Yeah, I respect people of different races.", what will you infer about that statement? Does that mean that I cannot possibly disrespect a person of a different race?

I'd go into a long-winded and unnecessary diatribe about how that sentence is interpreted, if I gained the same hollow solace that you gain from putting on your smart kid cap. However, I think the point speaks for itself. If you can't understand the intent behind a sentence by considering your opponent to be least bit rational, then you're just too narcissistic to hold debates with people other than yourself.

Somewhere on an unknown planet, stood three cloaked figures in a rather large room lit only by a few candles here and there, some would even say it was a ritual room of some sorts, since the four blood red walls and floor all bore an interesting logo, a white octagon merged with a six-sided star, nothing else was visible in the room unless you happened to be standing close to it.
"Soon our plan will be set into action." Said one of the cloaked figures, it's voice was raspy and cold enough to send a shiver down even the mightiest warrior's spine.
"And we will finally be able to take over the entire Lylat System." Another cloaked figure said, this one with a deep, gruff voice, and could not be taken lightly as it was massive in height and width.
"Yes but there is still one problem that remains unsolved." Stated the third cloaked member, this hood had a female voice behind it, but deeper than most female voices.
"We will take care of this minor problem in due time." The first cloak spoke back.
"You seem to underestimate him, why is this?" Asked the third hooded member.
"I am not underestimating him, I am simply stating the inevitable." Though it could not be seen through the cloak, one could tell that behind the hood was an evil smile.
"So, when is this 'plan' of yours supposed to take effect?" Asked the second, clearly irritated for some reason.
"Soon enough my friend, soon enough." The large cloaked animal let out a low growl as the three turned and headed separate directions, "Soon we will test your reputation as 'Hero of Lylat', Fox McCloud." An evil snicker coming from the hood.

When someone says to me "Hey, I like cookies.", I don't immediately think "Ha! Yeah, you'll eat cookies covered in shit? What's wrong with you!" It's like I'm Miss Cleo.

Meanwhile on the Great Fox II, as the team was orbiting Corneria, all members of Star Fox grew more and more aggravated with each passing day, having received no work in half a year. Their last job was simply to retrieve a small package that was stolen from a cargo ship by some thugs on Tanania and bring it to Corneria, needless to say they were never informed on what was in the package, just that it was important, they had only been paid so much for doing so. Peppy had retired and settled down in a house on Corneria, even though he could still be a force to reckon with in an Arwing. The team had a good amount of money left over from the Apparoid incident and the mission on Sauria, but they still had to eat and refuel the Great Fox II as well as the Arwings. They needed a job as soon as possible since money was an issue.

"I'm tellin' ya Slip, something is wrong with the G-Diffuser again." Fox was complaining as he always did about the G-Diffuser even though when Slippy checked, it worked fine. Fox wore a black tee-shirt baring the Star Fox logo, grey baggy cargo pants, and his usual combat boots with his white vest nearby on the chair that Krystal was sitting in, ready at any time for a call to come through hoping it was for a job, even if it was highly unlikely.

"There isn't anything wrong Fox, there's never anything wrong with it, YOU'RE THE PROBLEM!" Slippy yelled as he was extremely angry at the fact that Fox never new what he was talking about when it came to mechanical engineering even when he tried acting like he did. Slippy was in his usual grey shirt, yellow jacket, blue-jeans, and sneakers, of course with his small red cap on his head that he seemed to never take off.

"I don't know about that, I felt kind of a sick feeling in my gut when I left Corneria." The vulpine stated while putting his paws to his stomach.

"It's always the same with you Fox, if you feel something different when entering or exiting a planet, you always blame the G-Diffuser! If it didn't work then the atmosphere would RIP YOU TO PIECES!" Slippy yelled once again but this time it was much louder.

"Fox could you please stop arguing with Slippy, I'm starting to get a headache." Krystal said in somewhat of a pleading tone as she leaned her head to her left on her paw, looking at the stars, "Besides, you probably had an upset stomach, I know for a fact you didn't each much before you came back." Stated Fox's engaged lover, the blue-furred vixen decided to wear a pink tank-top as she thought it went well with her fur, white short shorts that only went three inches down her thigh, and no shoes or socks seeing as how she wasn't expecting any calls for work, she certainly didn't care if her clothes were too revealing considering the fact that the only clothing the vixen wore before she was with the team was a loin cloth, a top which barely covered her breasts, and a pair of sandals so it wasn't much different, she felt more comfortable in this rather than her battle suit.

You've explained the modality for when you do and do not respect someone. The question was why. Why do you value critical thinking and capacity for reason?

"Wha?...How did you?" The surprised red vulpine asked before he remembered,"Oh that's right...telepath duh." His surprised face turned into a smile as he stared at the blue vixen, wagging his tail slowly at the sight of her
"Exactly." Krystal looked at Fox with victorious smile.
"You know, it never ceases to amaze me when you read my mind me even though I always see it coming."
"I know, that's why I love seeing your face afterwards." She replied as she reached over and pinched the red fox's cheek as if she was talking to an infant, "It's so cute."
The vulpine closed his eyes, "That's Krystal for you, always messing around in my head, if it wasn't for the lack of clothing she had on when I saw her, I wouldn't have let her join the team." He thought jokingly to himself. As he opened his eyes he saw the vixen glaring at him.
"I heard that." The blue fox had somewhat of a demonic tone in her voice as those luscious blue eyes that scowled at the vulpine sent shivers down his spine.
"I uh...damn...uh sorry?" He closed his eyes and tensed up as he saw Krystal clench her fist shut, knowing of the pain that was inevitable.
Krystal burst into laughter, "Oh my Goddess Fox, that look is priceless!" He stared at her, dumbfounded, "You actually thought that I was going to hit you?" Her laughter settled down a little, "I just wanted to see that look on your face again."
"You know you have a pretty cruel sense of humor." His tensed muscles loosened up, "That's not nice to play me like that." He started to say something else, but was cut off by a kiss from the furry blue vixen.
She pulled away, "I'm sorry, I just had to see that adorable face again." her laughter sub-sided as she gave the red fox a peck on the cheek.
"Oh please you two, not on the bridge," Falco said lying on his back on the black sofa, "It's bad enough that we ain't got any work, the last thing we need is you two mixing it up here." Falco was just as annoyed as the rest of the team that no jobs were called in, the blue avian just didn't suppress it as well as the others, Falco was wearing a pure-white muscle shirt, a pair of dark blue athletic shorts that went a little past his knees, and a simple pair of black sneakers as he expected the same that Krystal had.
"C'mon Falco don't be such a hard ass," Insisted Fox as he smiled at the avian, "Lighten up a bit, we'll get a call soon."
"Yea but still, no going in to a wild make-out frenzy in here while I'm resting my eyes, I don't wanna have to wake up to two foxes scarring me for life." He said as he closed his eyes.
"Whatever you say pal." The vulpine knew that was Falco's excuse for going to sleep, in a few short minutes, he'd be out like a light.
"Well at least there's some life on this damn ship" Falco thought as he slowly drifted away into a deep slumber, until...

I actually genuinely like the people who are my friends. If they're doing something wrong, I candidly say what it is or what I disagree with. I've actually come to learn things from them, by being willing to share opinions and ideas with them and respecting the ideas they feed back. Maybe I'm weird. I most often act the same way that I feel. Not always, but most often. It's easier, because I'm not constantly brooding and hating people and drawing clowns with flamethrowers on the line paper in my notebook.

He felt a certain blue fox land on his stomach with her rear-end resulting in a loud 'OOF' from his beak, "You're right Falco, there is some life on this ship, and you're going to join the party." she giggled as the blue avian was still recovering from Krystal's sudden departure onto his unready abdomen. She leaned in towards his ear and whispered seductively, "Fox doesn't know it, but I have a little bit of a crush on you." He couldn't tell if she was toying with him or being serious, "I was hoping that maybe you and I could get together and see what else lies under all those feathers." She winked at him with that last bit, Fox was watching with a serious look on his face, Falco new that the vulpine had heard every word and panicked, he didn't know what to do, but almost as suddenly as the vixen had plopped down on him, Krystal suddenly burst into a laughing fit once again, as did Fox. Slippy's chuckling almost gave it away before-hand, but luckily fox had kept him quiet while the blue vixen did her part.
"And you thought I looked funny." Tears forming in the vulpine's eyes.
Slippy was now in a chair laughing hysterically as well.
Falco's look of confusion was now replaced by extreme embarrassment, the sides of his face starting to turn purple as the red from his face mixed with his blue feathers.
Krystal had fallen off out her 'seat' and was now on the floor laughing hysterically, "FOX HAHA I HAHAHAHAHA!" The vixen couldn't even get any straight words out of her mouth as she was laughing too hard to say anything.
"That's...sick...and wrong...and you all know it." Falco said as he was staring up at the ceiling as he had done so ever since the three had started laughing.
"What, you don't think Krystal's cute?" Fox asked in a jokingly tone.
"Well...I'm not gonna say." Falco said as his face was still purple with embarassment.
"Ah, c'mon Falco, you know you like her." The vulpine said as Falco's face turned a deeper purple resulting in even more hysterical laughter, they all knew that Falco didn't have any sexual feelings for Krystal but they still found it funny to mess with his head. No one found this funnier than Krystal though, seeing as how her laughter could clearly be heard over the other two.

You mentioned you were candid on the Internet and played a line in real life, making sure those people you disrepect don't know it. This means you are keeping something important to yourself. This is synonymous with bottling up. Check WordNet.

When the three had finally decided to stop after a good fifteen minutes, still lying on the floor, Krystal started, "Fox, that was the...best...idea...ever." As she was trying to catch her breath, Falco turned his gaze from the ceiling to Fox.
"I agree 100 percent." Slippy was now almost upside-down from laughing so much.
"You thought this up?" The blue avian asked Fox in disbelief.
"Yea, pretty funny huh?" The vulpine chuckled.
"More like pretty sadistic if you ask me." as Falco's face slowly turned back to the normal blue color it was before, he muttered, "Bastard."
Oh c'mon Falco, it was funny and you know it." The vixen cut in with a smile.
"It was wrong, sick, and not cool man." Falco seemed to be taking this seriously.
Okay then, let's take a poll, Slippy, was it funny? Yes or no?" Fox asked with a big grin on his face.
"You bet it was." Slippy cheered.
"Alright, Krystal," He said turning to the vixen, "Was it--"
"Yes it was." She said, cutting the red vulpine off.
"And I think it was funny so...Falco?" Fox asked, expectantly.

I've always been a staunch believer in "if you do things enough, you either come to like doing them or you're insane". Even strenuous work, I think a person comes to find a Sisyphean pleasure in getting them done beyond that of the money. If you're constantly lying and have found it to be your most comfortable point in socializing with people, you are likely a mythomaniac.

"What?" He asked, confused.
"Well, was it funny or not?"
Falco thought for a moment, gathering himself, "Okay, okay, you got me." The avian said with a chuckle.
It was now 10:05 A.M., then, all of a sudden out of nowhere, "There is a call coming from Corneria." ROB said in his monotone voice.
A mixed look of surprise and happiness showed on everyone's face, "Patch it through." Fox managed to say even though he was in shock.
Even more surprise filled the room when it was Peppy's face that had appeared on the hologram, "Fox, you and the others need to get down here NOW!"
"Peppy?" The red vulpine asked still in disbelief, no one team was expecting any calls, especially from Peppy.
"Yes Fox, it's Peppy," The hare confirming Fox's question, "There's no time to waste, we are under attack!"
"Attack? From who?" The vulpine's face quickly turned from surprised to serious.
"See for yourself." Peppy showed the team the image of Corneria being attacked by ground forces and battle cruisers, dismantling the city.

I had posted plenty of links before that. But, moreover, the point was about your zealotry toward that model. When trees were proven to fit into your model, you threw it out and forfeited the debate. Why was the point just to prove some model instead of achieve a compromise or develop a broader understanding of the subject matter? Hm? What kind of people again aren't willing to find compromise or broaden their view of the universe and instead throw in the towel if they think they might have to change their views....? I know this one...

This caused Fox's blood to boil with anger, "No," He thought to himself. Corneria had just been fully repaired recently, and now these unknown forces were going to destroy it again, "I won't let this happen, not again!" The red vulpine's face showed complete hatred as the sight of his home being attacked was more than enough to fuel his rage.
Krystal read his mind of course, and showed concern for the vulpine she loved.
"We'll be there soon, Fox out." He stated, with that, the vulpine ended the transmission, "Star Fox Team," He said with determination, "Get dressed and geared up as quickly as possible, we have a home to defend."

I don't think you changed your views. I think you gave up like a dirty Christian.

I awoke to see that I was in an unfamiliar place. The sun was shining into the room through a large open glass door; the door seemed to lead out to a balcony. I could hear the sound of waves crashing onto a beach. I sat up to get a better look; I realized this was like the place I had always wanted to live. I pinched myself to make sure I wasn’t dreaming.
“OUCH!” I said aloud. Then from behind a closed door I heard a voice that sounded familiar, too familiar. But not a good familiar.
“You alright” the voice said. I wasn’t sure whether to answer back. I didn’t, just in case I wasn’t supposed to be there. I couldn’t stop wondering where I had heard the voice before, it was rough and cold.
The handle of the door at the end of the room started to turn. I lay back down and pretended to be asleep. I heard the footsteps of the creature that was on the other side of the door, they got closer and closer. The creature then came and sat down on the end of the bed. It started stroking my head.

This was my favorite one:

It's normal to be racist. (Bunch of debate.) Now, I don't think it's normal for a person to engage in discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race or maintain the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races. But my argument remains true.

(Used WordNet verbatim on that gem. I thought I'd save you the time of grabbing Roget's Thesaurus.)

“Wake up Fox” it said “It’s falco’s and Krystal’s wedding day” I opened my eyes and turned to look at the creature. This creature looked very familiar, it’s sharp pointy teeth and the bluey grey fur looked too familiar. Then it clicked,
“Wolf, it’s you” I shouted “Why am I here? What have you done to me?” I had loads of questions. I was scared; I didn’t know why I awoke in the strange place? And what was Wolf doing there?
“Hang on!” Wolf said “I’m confused, any way, hurry up or we’ll be late” Wolf stood up, he was much taller than I was. This was rather intimidating. But the fear was enough to make me confront him.
“Get back here” I shouted “I woke up hear this morning, why am I not in my own bed? And since when were Falco and Krystal Getting Married. I’m so confused, what is going on?!”
“Look, if you’re messing with me, we don’t have time” Wolf said.
“Please just tell me what is going on” I said.
“I’m sorry” Wolf said “But I don’t understand, look Fox, I love you, I would never try to hurt you. I’ve never wanted to hurt you, all those times when I tried to hurt you years ago; it was only to get closer to you. You know all this, I told you on the night we first met properly on corneria.”
It was when he said sorry I knew he was telling the truth. But I didn’t understand why I couldn’t remember anything. But I said to myself, on that morning, that I, Fox McCloud will always love and trust Wolf O’Donnell.
It turned out that I had hit my head the night before. Wolf had convinced me to go to a therapist, I went and I got my memories back. It wasn’t easy, but, that’s life.

Where have you been on Vent?

*shrug* Been here a while now.

[blue_tetris]

Somewhere on an unknown planet, stood three cloaked figures in a rather large room lit only by a few candles here and there, some would even say it was a ritual room of some sorts, since the four blood red walls and floor all bore an interesting logo, a white octagon merged with a six-sided star, nothing else was visible in the room unless you happened to be standing close to it.
"Soon our plan will be set into action." Said one of the cloaked figures, it's voice was raspy and cold enough to send a shiver down even the mightiest warrior's spine.

"Greetings Fox McCloud," It stated, "How can I be of service to you?"

"And we will finally be able to take over the entire Lylat System." Another cloaked figure said, this one with a deep, gruff voice, and could not be taken lightly as it was massive in height and width.

"We need you to run medical diagnostics and care to the patient in this room," Fox stated, "Oh, and see what you can do about his missing left eye brow." It nodded and entered the room, locking it from behind. Fox and Falco continued down the hall.

"What a day this has been, huh Fox," Falco said, "There has never been a human in the Lylat System before."

"Well yeah," Fox said, "How are we gonna tell General Pepper? This is gonna be harder for him to believe then myself."

"How about when he wakes up?" Falco asked. "We don't even know if he speaks our language."

"Yes but there is still one problem that remains unsolved." Stated the third cloaked member, this hood had a female voice behind it, but deeper than most female voices.
"We will take care of this minor problem in due time." The first cloak spoke back.
"You seem to underestimate him, why is this?" Asked the third hooded member.
"I am not underestimating him, I am simply stating the inevitable." Though it could not be seen through the cloak, one could tell that behind the hood was an evil smile.

"He does. If you read his shirt it has words written in Lylat." Fox explained. They stopped in the hall and thought for a moment. How were they going to explain this to head quarters? Would General Pepper believe them when they tell him? And what about the human when he wakes up? How he going to react? Does he really speak there language? And why did he appear here in the first place?

All these questions and more popped into the fox's head. After then they headed into the bridge where the rest of the team were standing around. They gathered around the two just as they walked in.

"So, when is this 'plan' of yours supposed to take effect?" Asked the second, clearly irritated for some reason.
"Soon enough my friend, soon enough." The large cloaked animal let out a low growl as the three turned and headed separate directions, "Soon we will test your reputation as 'Hero of Lylat', Fox McCloud." An evil snicker coming from the hood.

"So what's going on?" Slippy asked Fox.

Fox took the time to explain everything that went on there on dinosaur planet. How he came across the wounded human and then seeing the legible dialogue on his shirt to carrying him back on his ship. When he's done Peppy finally spoke.

"Where better off if he does speak our language. We can explain to him where he is. But until he wakes up this old rabbit needs his rest. I shall see all of you in the morning." With that Peppy walked out the door while the rest of the team talk more about the human sharing ideas about where he came from. Then Slippy decided it was time for bed also and left. Krystal shortly followed suit.

When someone says to me "Hey, I like cookies.", I don't immediately think "Ha! Yeah, you'll eat cookies covered in shit? What's wrong with you!" It's like I'm Miss Cleo.

Meanwhile on the Great Fox II, as the team was orbiting Corneria, all members of Star Fox grew more and more aggravated with each passing day, having received no work in half a year. Their last job was simply to retrieve a small package that was stolen from a cargo ship by some thugs on Tanania and bring it to Corneria, needless to say they were never informed on what was in the package, just that it was important, they had only been paid so much for doing so. Peppy had retired and settled down in a house on Corneria, even though he could still be a force to reckon with in an Arwing. The team had a good amount of money left over from the Apparoid incident and the mission on Sauria, but they still had to eat and refuel the Great Fox II as well as the Arwings. They needed a job as soon as possible since money was an issue.

"Good night you guys," Krystal said while yawning. She then left the room leaving Fox and Falco alone. Neither of them were tired at all. They were too pumped up from the events of the day. Fox and Falco then headed to the training room to practice.

"What should we compete at first?" Fox asked as they walked into the room.

"Target practice," Falco replied, "I've been practicing all week and I still have to beat you from last weeks match."

"I'm tellin' ya Slip, something is wrong with the G-Diffuser again." Fox was complaining as he always did about the G-Diffuser even though when Slippy checked, it worked fine.

"I won't go down so easily," Fox stated as the simulation started. The main room was replaced by a desert theme terrain, followed by a 5 minute countdown appearing in front of them.

Fox wore a black tee-shirt baring the Star Fox logo, grey baggy cargo pants, and his usual combat boots with his white vest nearby on the chair that Krystal was sitting in, ready at any time for a call to come through hoping it was for a job, even if it was highly unlikely.

"Countdown launch, begin training." The robotic voice of the simulation announced. Targets then appeared all of a sudden and moved away from the duo prompting them to chase the targets. Fox and Falco split instantly taking a different group of targets. Fox aimed his blaster at three moving targets and fired, hitting his targets with perfect accuracy. Falco didn't have such a smooth start as the targets took off and he missed twice before finally hitting his target. The match continued as normal and after 2 minutes ended, Falco was in the slight lead.

"What's the matter Fox?" Falco asked hitting another target, "You're off your game today." Fox ignored it while shooting down two more targets, both perfect bulls eyes. Fox then turned quickly and replied...

There isn't anything wrong Fox, there's never anything wrong with it, YOU'RE THE PROBLEM!"

"I'd be more worried about yourself if I were you," Fox fired again right past Falco, who turned to see another target shattered in the blast. Fox turned off the other direction leaving Falco to head the other way. The 5-minute timer finally expired leaving the Avain and Vulpine gasping for air. The final score was tallied. Every target hit according to rules was worth 10 points. Both were disappointed to find the results a dead draw. Both sported a powerful 1100 points. The terrain disappeared returning the two to the original metal latticed room.

"Time for a duel then huh?" Falco asked finally breathing normal again.

"You're on Fox, and we'll just see who exactly is the best on the team." Then another 5-minute timer began counting down and the two charged at each other. Simulated staves appeared in their hands as they charged. Each of exchanged blows while the other blocked it. Falco ducked in time to avoid a swift head blow and clumsily aimed for Fox feet. Fox saw it coming and jumped backwards. Back flipping a good distance before charging again. After 3 minutes past and both staves were knocked out of each others hands. They ignored as they then exchanged hand blows. Each landed and dodged punch after punch. Fox got a good attack in jumping a round house which Falco ducked then immediately switched to a low kick hitting its mark and nearly tripped Falco. Falco responded quickly by pushing the vulpine off his feet to avoid further attack. Before anything else happened the match timer went off telling them that it ended. Once again to their dismay to find that their scores were again dead even. They thought about another match but decided to cancel it.

"I've had enough tonight Fox let's just call it a draw," Falco finally said.

"Alright, let's head back to my quarters and talk some more," Fox offered.

Slippy yelled as he was extremely angry at the fact that Fox never new what he was talking about when it came to mechanical engineering even when he tried acting like he did. Slippy was in his usual grey shirt, yellow jacket, blue-jeans, and sneakers, of course with his small red cap on his head that he seemed to never take off.

"I don't know about that, I felt kind of a sick feeling in my gut when I left Corneria." The vulpine stated while putting his paws to his stomach.

"It's always the same with you Fox, if you feel something different when entering or exiting a planet, you always blame the G-Diffuser! If it didn't work then the atmosphere would RIP YOU TO PIECES!" Slippy yelled once again but this time it was much louder.

"Fox could you please stop arguing with Slippy, I'm starting to get a headache." Krystal said in somewhat of a pleading tone as she leaned her head to her left on her paw, looking at the stars, "Besides, you probably had an upset stomach, I know for a fact you didn't each much before you came back." Stated Fox's engaged lover, the blue-furred vixen decided to wear a pink tank-top as she thought it went well with her fur, white short shorts that only went three inches down her thigh, and no shoes or socks seeing as how she wasn't expecting any calls for work, she certainly didn't care if her clothes were too revealing considering the fact that the only clothing the vixen wore before she was with the team was a loin cloth, a top which barely covered her breasts, and a pair of sandals so it wasn't much different, she felt more comfortable in this rather than her battle suit.

Fox headed out quickly followed by Falco. As they were walking Falco couldn't help but stare at the handsome vulpine after physical exertion. He looked him over, starting from the back of his head while moving down to his fluffy tail, then glanced at Fox's well toned rump. Falco snapped out of it when he started to get hard from staring at him. Fox made another turn before finally entering a room showing it to be Fox's quarters. It was much like the medical room only filled with various objects plus it was bigger, including the bed. Falco walked in after Fox who sat on his bed and looked around. As Falco was doing this Fox started to get a look at Falco also. Staring at his muscles while leading his gaze towards the avian's nether regions. He started getting hard as he caught the scent of his own exertion mixing with Falco's. Obvious to the both of them was Falco had noticed Fox's gazing and smiled.

"So anyway, what do you think about the human?" Falco asked Fox as he continued to stare. He snapped out of his staring to reply...

"What do you mean?"

"Well don't tell me after we looked at the attractive looking human that you didn't like what you saw." Falco shot his thought right out of the blue causing Fox to blush underneath his fur. The quiet pause lasted a few seconds longer when Fox broke the ice.



"I did like him, I mean its not everyday a human appears out of nowhere," Fox continued, "Not that he wasn't good looking, he's gorgeous. I'm just worried that he's not doing alright. Besides, I'm not sure he even swings this way if you know what I mean." Falco turned around surprised at the vulpine's newly awakened concern. He thought for a moment then came up with an idea. He then hopped on the bed scooting himself next to Fox.

You've explained the modality for when you do and do not respect someone. The question was why. Why do you value critical thinking and capacity for reason?

"Wha?...How did you?" The surprised red vulpine asked before he remembered,"Oh that's right...telepath duh." His surprised face turned into a smile as he stared at the blue vixen, wagging his tail slowly at the sight of her
"Exactly." Krystal looked at Fox with victorious smile.
"You know, it never ceases to amaze me when you read my mind me even though I always see it coming."
"I know, that's why I love seeing your face afterwards." She replied as she reached over and pinched the red fox's cheek as if she was talking to an infant, "It's so cute."

"You can still fantasize you doing him if you want to," Falco said, "Here why don't I help you with that." After saying that Falco put his hands on Fox's shoulders and began massaging them with speed and care. Fox quickly relaxed his muscles welcoming the arms. After a few minutes Falco shifted his movement and grabbed the collar of Fox's jacket. And in one swift movement the Jacket was off. Falco moved his head to Fox's right ear and whispered into it.

The vulpine closed his eyes, "That's Krystal for you, always messing around in my head, if it wasn't for the lack of clothing she had on when I saw her, I wouldn't have let her join the team." He thought jokingly to himself. As he opened his eyes he saw the vixen glaring at him.
"I heard that." The blue fox had somewhat of a demonic tone in her voice as those luscious blue eyes that scowled at the vulpine sent shivers down his spine.

The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist.

"You like it so far?" Falco resumed massaging Fox who only managed a moan in response. Falco wrapped his arms around the Fox, breathing slowly and heavily into Fox's ear. Fox's liked the treatment and the arousal instantly made him hard. His pants tightened with the treatment. Falco felt his member slowly stir as he stripped Fox down. Removing the red scarf around his neck and slowly removing the shirt. Now it was Fox's turn to begin the stripping, who already only had his pants and boots on left. Fox turned around and stripped off Falco's jacket letting it fall to the floor. Fox and Falco switched positions then so they were both lying on the bed. Both were facing the others boots. They then proceeded to remove the boots and socks at the same time. Fox then switched around and took off Falco's shirt who respectively was slowing pulling down Fox's pants. Fox only had a pair of green speedos left on while Falco still had his pants on. Falco spotted a big bulge pushing against the green fabric. Fox made a grab for Falco's pants as he grabbed Fox's speedos and pulled them both off in one smooth motion. Fox realized Falco had no underwear on as he saw him lying down with his 8-inch member fully erect at attention. Falco noticed the Fox staring as he looked at Fox's 7.2-inch Cock also fully erect.

I actually genuinely like the people who are my friends. If they're doing something wrong, I candidly say what it is or what I disagree with. I've actually come to learn things from them, by being willing to share opinions and ideas with them and respecting the ideas they feed back. Maybe I'm weird. I most often act the same way that I feel. Not always, but most often. It's easier, because I'm not constantly brooding and hating people and drawing clowns with flamethrowers on the line paper in my notebook.

He felt a certain blue fox land on his stomach with her rear-end resulting in a loud 'OOF' from his beak, "You're right Falco, there is some life on this ship, and you're going to join the party." she giggled as the blue avian was still recovering from Krystal's sudden departure onto his unready abdomen. She leaned in towards his ear and whispered seductively, "Fox doesn't know it, but I have a little bit of a crush on you." He couldn't tell if she was toying with him or being serious, "I was hoping that maybe you and I could get together and see what else lies under all those feathers." She winked at him with that last bit, Fox was watching with a serious look on his face, Falco new that the vulpine had heard every word and panicked, he didn't know what to do, but almost as suddenly as the vixen had plopped down on him, Krystal suddenly burst into a laughing fit once again, as did Fox. Slippy's chuckling almost gave it away before-hand, but luckily fox had kept him quiet while the blue vixen did her part.
"And you thought I looked funny." Tears forming in the vulpine's eyes.

Fox and Falco got up on their knees and wrapped their arms around each other. Fox moved his head onto Falco's left shoulder and inhaled, taking in the heavy musk around Falco. Falco responded by slowly licking the the left side of Fox's neck. Their arms explored around each other, Falco's reached Fox's well built rear and took both cheeks in his hands and gave him a squeeze. Fox moaned in pleasure while feeling around Falco's muscled ass. As this went on their cocks grinded against each others causing pre to leak out of each coating them with the natural lube. Fox then shifted his head downwards towards Falco's cock. He inhaled the musk with vigor before opening his muzzle. He gave it a few licks winning some moans from Falco as he lowered his head down his member. Fox took the bittersweet taste of Falco's pre with absolute delight as he descended. Fox struggled to throat the whole member. Fox got it in and slowly started a slow rhythm bobbing his head up and down. Falco placed a hand behind Fox's head and helped push Fox down deeper on his member. Fox sped up his rhythm while working his tongue around the shaft. His own cock remaining rock hard as he gave his avian friend the special treatment. Fox then let out a moan on Falco's cock nearly setting him over the edge. Falco then pulled Fox's muzzle off of his member.

Slippy was now in a chair laughing hysterically as well.
Falco's look of confusion was now replaced by extreme embarrassment, the sides of his face starting to turn purple as the red from his face mixed with his blue feathers.
Krystal had fallen off out her 'seat' and was now on the floor laughing hysterically, "FOX HAHA I HAHAHAHAHA!" The vixen couldn't even get any straight words out of her mouth as she was laughing too hard to say anything.
"That's...sick...and wrong...and you all know it." Falco said as he was staring up at the ceiling as he had done so ever since the three had started laughing.
"What, you don't think Krystal's cute?" Fox asked in a jokingly tone.
"Well...I'm not gonna say." Falco said as his face was still purple with embarassment.
"Ah, c'mon Falco, you know you like her." The vulpine said as Falco's face turned a deeper purple resulting in even more hysterical laughter, they all knew that Falco didn't have any sexual feelings for Krystal but they still found it funny to mess with his head. No one found this funnier than Krystal though, seeing as how her laughter could clearly be heard over the other two.

"I think its time for the next part of the show, eh?" Falco asked.

You mentioned you were candid on the Internet and played a line in real life, making sure those people you disrepect don't know it. This means you are keeping something important to yourself. This is synonymous with bottling up. Check WordNet.

When the three had finally decided to stop after a good fifteen minutes, still lying on the floor, Krystal started, "Fox, that was the...best...idea...ever." As she was trying to catch her breath, Falco turned his gaze from the ceiling to Fox.
"I agree 100 percent." Slippy was now almost upside-down from laughing so much.
"You thought this up?" The blue avian asked Fox in disbelief.
"Yea, pretty funny huh?" The vulpine chuckled.

Falco gave Fox a slight shove pushing the vulpine onto his back. Fox's cock still stood fully erect at attention. Falco grabbed Fox's legs propping them behind his back while he scooted up closer in between. Falco grabbed Fox's cock and gently began to stroke it. Caressing it up and down winning a few more moans from Fox as he continued. Falco all of a sudden stopped as he lifted Fox's legs up further and grabbed his own cock. He then aimed it right on target to Fox's tail hole.

"Alright, Krystal," He said turning to the vixen, "Was it--"

"Come on, tell me you want it," Falco commanded.

"Oh god, yes I want you inside me," Fox demanded.

I've always been a staunch believer in "if you do things enough, you either come to like doing them or you're insane". Even strenuous work, I think a person comes to find a Sisyphean pleasure in getting them done beyond that of the money. If you're constantly lying and have found it to be your most comfortable point in socializing with people, you are likely a mythomaniac.

"What?" He asked, confused.
"Well, was it funny or not?"
Falco thought for a moment, gathering himself, "Okay, okay, you got me." The avian said with a chuckle.
It was now 10:05 A.M., then, all of a sudden out of nowhere, "There is a call coming from Corneria." ROB said in his monotone voice.
A mixed look of surprise and happiness showed on everyone's face, "Patch it through." Fox managed to say even though he was in shock.
Even more surprise filled the room when it was Peppy's face that had appeared on the hologram, "Fox, you and the others need to get down here NOW!"
"Peppy?" The red vulpine asked still in disbelief, no one team was expecting any calls, especially from Peppy.
"Yes Fox, it's Peppy," The hare confirming Fox's question, "There's no time to waste, we are under attack!"
"Attack? From who?" The vulpine's face quickly turned from surprised to serious.
"See for yourself." Peppy showed the team the image of Corneria being attacked by ground forces and battle cruisers, dismantling the city.

"Very well then," Falco replied.

I had posted plenty of links before that. But, moreover, the point was about your zealotry toward that model. When trees were proven to fit into your model, you threw it out and forfeited the debate. Why was the point just to prove some model instead of achieve a compromise or develop a broader understanding of the subject matter? Hm? What kind of people again aren't willing to find compromise or broaden their view of the universe and instead throw in the towel if they think they might have to change their views....? I know this one...

This caused Fox's blood to boil with anger, "No," He thought to himself. Corneria had just been fully repaired recently, and now these unknown forces were going to destroy it again, "I won't let this happen, not again!" The red vulpine's face showed complete hatred as the sight of his home being attacked was more than enough to fuel his rage.
Krystal read his mind of course, and showed concern for the vulpine she loved.
"We'll be there soon, Fox out." He stated, with that, the vulpine ended the transmission, "Star Fox Team," He said with determination, "Get dressed and geared up as quickly as possible, we have a home to defend."

He then poked at the hole and slowly slid it in. It went in easy due to it being lubricated by Fox's saliva and his own pre cum. He continued until he was all the way inside Fox. Fox gave out some moans of pain which quickly faded turning into pleasure. Falco stopped relishing the overwhelming feeling of Fox's tight ass over his own member. Falco then began thrusting in and out of Fox beginning at a sedate rate. Fox let out a moan of pleasure enjoying the feeling of having someone inside him. After a few minutes Falco began to speed up his thrusts. He continued speeding up until he got to his fastest rate. Fox moaned as Falco pounded his ass into oblivion. Each and every thrust Falco made hit Fox's prostate. Fox and Falco were in complete ecstasy. Falco reached for Fox's cock, grabbing and stroking it at double the rhythm Falco was thrusting into Fox. Fox moaned over the edge as he shot his cum. Four shots landed on Fox's stomach while three more shots hit Falco's beak. Falco licked it off, the invigorating taste sent him over the edge. He let out a loud moan as he unloaded his cum into Fox. It was a good thing the walls were sound proof or else the whole ship would have heard. He shot nine times before he stopped and slowly pulled out of the vulpine. Falco then collapsed on the bed. Both were exhausted and felt it as they came down from their climax. Falco licked off Fox's cum from his stomach until he was clean. They lied there for a few minutes. The silence creeping across the room. Fox broke the silence after a few minutes.

I don't think you changed your views. I think you gave up like a dirty Christian.

I awoke to see that I was in an unfamiliar place. The sun was shining into the room through a large open glass door; the door seemed to lead out to a balcony. I could hear the sound of waves crashing onto a beach. I sat up to get a better look; I realized this was like the place I had always wanted to live. I pinched myself to make sure I wasn’t dreaming.
“OUCH!” I said aloud. Then from behind a closed door I heard a voice that sounded familiar, too familiar. But not a good familiar.
“You alright” the voice said. I wasn’t sure whether to answer back. I didn’t, just in case I wasn’t supposed to be there. I couldn’t stop wondering where I had heard the voice before, it was rough and cold.
The handle of the door at the end of the room started to turn. I lay back down and pretended to be asleep. I heard the footsteps of the creature that was on the other side of the door, they got closer and closer. The creature then came and sat down on the end of the bed. It started stroking my head.

"That was incredible as usual," Fox said.

This was my favorite one:

It's normal to be racist. (Bunch of debate.) Now, I don't think it's normal for a person to engage in discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race or maintain the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races. But my argument remains true.

(Used WordNet verbatim on that gem. I thought I'd save you the time of grabbing Roget's Thesaurus.)

“Wake up Fox” it said “It’s falco’s and Krystal’s wedding day” I opened my eyes and turned to look at the creature. This creature looked very familiar, it’s sharp pointy teeth and the bluey grey fur looked too familiar. Then it clicked,
“Wolf, it’s you” I shouted “Why am I here? What have you done to me?” I had loads of questions. I was scared; I didn’t know why I awoke in the strange place? And what was Wolf doing there?

"Yeah I hope the human's ass is as tight as yours was," Falco said, "I hope he wakes up soon."

"Yeah me too," Fox replied, "But I suggest we better get to sleep, that'll help the time move faster while we wait." With that Fox pulled the sheets over him and Falco. They wrapped their arms around each other as they slowly drifted into sleep in each other's warmth. Fox had a dream that night about what the human boy would be like when he wakes up.

Where have you been on Vent?

*shrug* Been here a while now.

I went to watch Manswers.