Are you okay with gays?

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I'd go gay for Owen Pallett.

[//Zander]

THE BIBLE TRIES TO STOP YOU FROM HAVING SEX FOR ENJOYMENT?

That's not right, loads of old people have sex and they can't have kids.

No the bible does not say that...
It says that two people should only have sex if they are married, to a person of the opposite sex. and there's a bit more but that is the relevant stuff...
but the bible comdemns homosexuality. and if you believe the bible then you must believe all of it. including this. that is why I am against gays, because I'm religious and I believe what the bible tells me because I believe that It's God's word so it must be right.

now if anyone says anything along the lines of "you're wrong because..." or "that's not true..." piss off.
you won't change my damn mind.

[DemonzLunchBreak]

now if anyone says anything along the lines of "you're wrong because..." or "that's not true..." piss off.
you won't change my damn mind.

That's not how it works here. If you submit your ideas to the public sections of the forum, they are completely open to critique. However, I'd discourage people from saying "you're wrong" and the like. That doesn't really foster intelligent discussion, either. It's more of an "I disagree, because..." type of thing.

Don't post in a topic that everyone can post in if you don't want anyone to reply to what you say.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

now if anyone says anything along the lines of "you're wrong because..." or "that's not true..." piss off.
you won't change my damn mind.

:(
That's not how progress works.
Are you not interested in progress?

[Geti]

@ above: ahhahahahah.

Sorry, but reading through these posts, I think I would be really insulted if I was gay. Y'all're talking about "the gays" like they're some kind of inhuman monsters or something, and bandying about the idea of tolerating gay people as though the two sides to that issue are equally okay.
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Fuck all of you. Well, most of you, anyway.

thanks for the empathy.
i know bi is on the line, but seriously, what is wrong with liking people the same sex as you?
and if you says its the penis, look down and punch yourself in the nose for being an arrogant twat. yours is likely no better than mine. i like both variations of the human genitalia, but thats just me. you might not like the look of the ingredients for a stir fry, but that looks good to me, so yeah.
its fine and dandy to not be attracted to the same sex, just dont act as if its unnatural or wrong or anything along those lines. because, through the eyes of a homosexual person, someone the same sex is attractive in the same way a girl is attractive to you (assuming youre all guys).

furthermore:

Also, shouldn't it be lesbians aswell?
I don't mind them.

ASS HEAD.
in this instance, you arent against the gay couples "gayness" youre just against the fact that theyre guys. also, fyi, lesbians arent always are incredibly rarely topless girls dripping with oil and fake tan with bouncing implants, in fact, most of them are just girls who like girls, amazingly. the former impression is [unfortunately for you] spread by the pornography industry, as an excuse to show two depraved souls for your masturbatory enjoyment. sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can hold a conversation youd likely be dead bored around a lesbian couple.

HOMOSEXUALITY != DIFFERENT PERSONALITY
[/mild rant]

[wolfgang]

Have you endured a conversation with regular society? They're not jolly-big fans of gays. Much of them don't really like the thought of gays getting into their homes or eating their food when they're out camping. A few of them figure gays are just Muslims who aren't brown.

I think we communicate on a higher level than society at large.

Yeah, I realise. For some reason I just had these forums pegged as having a strongly liberal bias, which I guess is quite true, looking back through this thread alot of the posts I was referring to were firmly tongue in cheek.
I suppose there's always going to be an idiot or two on any forum. Hell, on a music forum I'm involved in a huge argument with some guy who idolises Ayn Rand.

[a happy song]

No the bible does not say that...
It says that two people should only have sex if they are married, to a person of the opposite sex. and there's a bit more but that is the relevant stuff...
but the bible comdemns homosexuality. and if you believe the bible then you must believe all of it. including this. that is why I am against gays, because I'm religious and I believe what the bible tells me because I believe that It's God's word so it must be right.

Right, so you blindly follow ALL the rules in the bible? Right? I mean, because if you didn't you'd be just another mindless hypocrite, right?

So you must follow the following:

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10)

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or are blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

So you follow all of the above without question because it's the 'Word of God', right?

[origami_alligator]

But if gays want to get married, they should not publicise it, just tell their friends and whatnot.

I think that's along the same line as what they used to tell women suffragists.
"If women want the right to vote, they should not publicize it, just tell their friends and whatnot."
Or maybe that's what they told African Americans during segregation.
"If blacks want to be equal citizens, they should not publicize it, just tell their friends and whatnot."

Civil rights movements have a history of publicizing. It's how you get Congress and the American public to recognize a group and sympathize or agree or whatever with their ideas for change. I agree that homosexuals should have the right to enjoy the same rights as non-homosexuals. I believe that there should be nothing standing in the way of two men or women expressing their love for each other. In public, limit yourself like any other couple does. In the privacy of your own home among two consenting adults, go wild.

I have minor issues with some homosexuals. They are not big enough issues for me to consider hating /all/ homosexuals because I haven't met /all/ homosexuals.

[lord_day]

Some of my best friends are gay, and they are no different from my straight friends. There really is less distinction than people think between 'the gays' and 'the straights'.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

Sorry, but reading through these posts, I think I would be really insulted if I was gay. Y'all're talking about "the gays" like they're some kind of inhuman monsters or something, and bandying about the idea of tolerating gay people as though the two sides to that issue are equally okay.
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Fuck all of you. Well, most of you, anyway.

thanks for the empathy.
i know bi is on the line, but seriously, what is wrong with liking people the same sex as you?
and if you says its the penis, look down and punch yourself in the nose for being an arrogant twat. yours is likely no better than mine. i like both variations of the human genitalia, but thats just me. you might not like the look of the ingredients for a stir fry, but that looks good to me, so yeah.
its fine and dandy to not be attracted to the same sex, just dont act as if its unnatural or wrong or anything along those lines. because, through the eyes of a homosexual person, someone the same sex is attractive in the same way a girl is attractive to you (assuming youre all guys).

Reading comprehension, son. I'm on your side.

[otters]

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10)

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or are blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

So you follow all of the above without question because it's the 'Word of God', right?

Hey, look at that! Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy!
It's all OT laws, before Jesus came! Before, when he died, the curtain separating everyone from the innermost part of God's temple was torn in two from top to bottom!

Imagine that.

[blue_tetris]

Hey, look at that! Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy!
It's all OT laws, before Jesus came! Before, when he died, the curtain separating everyone from the innermost part of God's temple was torn in two from top to bottom!

Imagine that.

incluye,

Zander said: "but the bible comdemns homosexuality. and if you believe the bible then you must believe all of it. including this. that is why I am against gays, because I'm religious and I believe what the bible tells me because I believe that It's God's word so it must be right."

atob responded with a series of other laws from the Bible which Zander must believe if he says "if you believe the bible then you must believe all of it."

The Bible is divinely inspired, so God guided the hand of each of its authors. If any part of the Bible is "incorrect" in your opinion, incluye, what's to say that the other parts of it are correct? How can you question Leviticus because it was written before Jesus's time? Genesis too was written before Jesus's time, and yet you believe the literal translation of its events.

If God guided the hand of mortals to write these laws, what about God's personality changed between the authorship of Leviticus and the authorship of the Gospels?

[jean-luc]

Hey, look at that! Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy!
It's all OT laws, before Jesus came! Before, when he died, the curtain separating everyone from the innermost part of God's temple was torn in two from top to bottom!

Imagine that.

incluye,

Zander said: "but the bible comdemns homosexuality. and if you believe the bible then you must believe all of it. including this. that is why I am against gays, because I'm religious and I believe what the bible tells me because I believe that It's God's word so it must be right."

atob responded with a series of other laws from the Bible which Zander must believe if he says "if you believe the bible then you must believe all of it."

The Bible is divinely inspired, so God guided the hand of each of its authors. If any part of the Bible is "incorrect" in your opinion, incluye, what's to say that the other parts of it are correct? How can you question Leviticus because it was written before Jesus's time? Genesis too was written before Jesus's time, and yet you believe the literal translation of its events.

If God guided the hand of mortals to write these laws, what about God's personality changed between the authorship of Leviticus and the authorship of the Gospels?

Although a full explanation of this is likely beyond the depth that you want to go to, there is a reason. In the OT, the 10 commandments were proposed, but it was found that the people were incapable of following them. As such, a much more complex and restricting (but simpler to follow) set of rules was imposed by God (note that many sects believe that the God of the old testament, the Abrahamic God, was not in fact God, but Jesus Christ, who took the back seat after his mortal tenure). These laws are known as The Law of Moses, or Mosesian Law. At the birth of Jesus Christ, the Law of Moses was abolished, replaced with The Higher Law (fundamentally The 10 Commandments). Many rules now followed only by orthodox Jews (kosher food being a well known example) are components of Mosesian law. Because the Jews do not believe that Christ was the Messiah, they believe that the Law of Moses is still in effect; while Christians no longer follow rules like food restrictions because Christ annulled the Law of Moses.

Because of the change in Gods between the OT and the NT (as believed by some sects) and the annulment of the Law of Moses and the introduction of The Higher Law, there is often a substantial rift between 'righteousness' in the OT and NT. In general, The Higher Law is less literal and more open to interpretation, and The Law of Moses is no longer in effect.

Additionally, certain sections of the NT (primarily the book of Revelations) are considered semi-apocryphal by some sects, and thus are not necessarily inspired truth.

[//Zander]

Incluye is right actually to a certain point.
the Law was set down for those before Chirst to show them that everyone sins and what it deserves.
When Christ came along He fullfilled the law making it unneeded. Baptism was introduced which could bring people unto salvation, therefore the law was not needed anymore. this point is stressed in many of the epistles such as Paul's letters.

[ladeda]

I'd go gay for Owen Pallett.

I'd go gay for Obama. LINKAGE

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

Tower post incoming.

[a happy song]

I'd go gay for Owen Pallett.

I AM gay for Owen Pallet

There IS no hope for the village

<3

Incluye is right actually to a certain point.
the Law was set down for those before Chirst to show them that everyone sins and what it deserves.
When Christ came along He fullfilled the law making it unneeded. Baptism was introduced which could bring people unto salvation, therefore the law was not needed anymore. this point is stressed in many of the epistles such as Paul's letters.

If you can apply this reason now, why make the statement you did before?

and if you believe the bible then you must believe all of it.

You're chopping your stances to suit the trend in a way that suggests you've not come to any of these conclusions by yourself.

Anyway, if you can accept that there are parts of The Bible that are outdated and flawed, then surely you can admit that other parts could also be. The Bible may be the translation of the word of god, but it's been written by humans who aren't perfectly devine angelic beings of brilliant white light. Besides, the world has progressed since the time of Jesus, and social acceptances and ideals have evolved.

The point being, an intelligent Bible study would transpose the 'word of God' to the current day instead of letting an ancient text inspire them to apply antiquated ideals to a modern existence.

[Radium]

furthermore:

Also, shouldn't it be lesbians aswell?
I don't mind them.

ASS HEAD.
in this instance, you arent against the gay couples "gayness" youre just against the fact that theyre guys. also, fyi, lesbians arent always are incredibly rarely topless girls dripping with oil and fake tan with bouncing implants, in fact, most of them are just girls who like girls, amazingly. the former impression is [unfortunately for you] spread by the pornography industry, as an excuse to show two depraved souls for your masturbatory enjoyment. sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can hold a conversation youd likely be dead bored around a lesbian couple.

Pure epicness.

[Geti]

thankie. ^^ reading that made me clench my jaw again.
anyhow im off to read that one of therealn with harley talking about his balls, i need a laugh.. anyone else know the pain of projecting what seems like millions of lines for a graphics assignment?

[sheganican]

my sister is gay and, because of that, i am constantly surrounded by the concept of "gay"

naturally, i have to understand and/or get used to it. i think there is nothing wrong with gays, but most if not all of the gay people I have met are more or less overactive, so i've almost grown the stereotype that all gays are overactive and annoying.

Being against gay people is just like being against black people which, apparently, is a bad thing. I dont think prejudice is ever going to end as long as there are people, but making forums like this, in my opinion, are just going to make it more of an issue. You might as well have started a topic titled "Are you okay with black people?" still i shouldnt blame you for that as it is a big topic.

[DemonzLunchBreak]

Tower post incoming.

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[Tanner]

Tower post incoming.

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Oh, he's a-cookin' something up.

[blue_tetris]

I'm still eagerly awaiting the towerpost pending for that gun thread.



By the way, Tanner, there's a new Space Pimp RPG, that is at least three times as a good as the Space Pimp d20. Its openness in character creation and concept is out of this world.

[numa_ninja]

The point being, an intelligent Bible study would transpose the 'word of God' to the current day instead of letting an ancient text inspire them to apply antiquated ideals to a modern existence.

Funny you say that, because outside of a church, it said "The bible does not need to be re-written, but re-read." That aside, I have a gay friend, and I think it's perfectly fine if one man likes another man. But, my brother is totally against gays.

[Why Me]

I am perfectly fine with gays. Many of my family members are gay. In fact, about half of them are. And they are just as awesome as heterosexual people, if not even better. One of my cousins who's gay can play practically any Slash solo ever. He is a guitar god. And he's only 14. And also, God is supposed to love us all equally, right? Then why does he hate gays? He's contradicting himself. I firmly believe that there is absolutely nothing wrong with gays. And I am also (this only refers to California) totally against Prop 8. If you live in California, then I will say this: it has nothing to do with schools. California schools aren't required to teach anything at all about marriage. If anyone has anything to say about my post, please do. I will gladly discuss.