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Proffesor:
Did God created everything that exists?
Student:
Yes.
If God created everything that exists, then he created evil.
Which means, God Is Evil.
Student:
Excuse me, proffesor.

What would you say if you was the student?
My answer.
God did not create evil.
Evil is result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart.

That was my answer, God is not evil, and I explained it.

Discuss.

Tunco123 wrote:

Proffesor:
Did God created everything that exists?
Student:
Yes.
If God created everything that exists, then he created evil.
Which means, God Is Evil.
Student:
Excuse me, proffesor.

What would you say if you was the student?
My answer.
God did not create evil.
Evil is result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart.

That was my answer, God is not evil, and I explained it.

Discuss.

But if God gave man the capacity to deny his presence and therefore commit evil, then he created evil. Can't really argue against that.

Whether or not this makes God evil in itself is a different matter.

This topic has already been discussed pretty much to death here and here. Somewhere in these two topics, anyway.

brighter wrote:

Tunco123 wrote:

Proffesor:
Did God created everything that exists?
Student:
Yes.
If God created everything that exists, then he created evil.
Which means, God Is Evil.
Student:
Excuse me, proffesor.

What would you say if you was the student?
My answer.
God did not create evil.
Evil is result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart.

That was my answer, God is not evil, and I explained it.

Discuss.

But if God gave man the capacity to deny his presence and therefore commit evil, then he created evil. Can't really argue against that.

Whether or not this makes God evil in itself is a different matter.

But God gave man capacity to deny his presence and ability to choose between evil and good.

cheesemonger wrote:This topic has already been discussed pretty much to death here and here.

This topic has nothing to do with those topics, unrelated topics.

Tunco123 wrote: But God gave man capacity to deny his presence and ability to choose between evil and good.

So, he still gave man the option of evil thus creating evil. Stop it.

brighter wrote:

Tunco123 wrote: But God gave man capacity to deny his presence and ability to choose between evil and good.

So, he still gave man the option of evil thus creating evil. Stop it.

But we can't know if god gave us ability of choosing between evil and good, in a way waiting for us to understand the right way is choosing good.

So, it's actually impossible to know.

Tunco123 wrote:

brighter wrote:

Tunco123 wrote: But God gave man capacity to deny his presence and ability to choose between evil and good.

So, he still gave man the option of evil thus creating evil. Stop it.

But we can't know if god gave us ability of choosing between evil and good, in a way waiting for us to understand the right way is choosing good.

So, it's actually impossible to know.

No it's not. If you subscribe to the notion that God created everything, then he created evil. He created EVERYthing.

It's as simple as that.

Tunco, if you bothered to read through those topics you would have seen that they do. It may not have been the original purpose of those topics, but they covered the subject. Starting page 2, with isaacx's comment, and continuing for most of the thread, is an argument about the nature of good and evil and whether God caused it or not.

Damn, I've been stopped form submitting this twice due to new comments...

brighter wrote:

Tunco123 wrote:

Proffesor:
Did God created everything that exists?
Student:
Yes.
If God created everything that exists, then he created evil.
Which means, God Is Evil.
Student:
Excuse me, proffesor.

What would you say if you was the student?
My answer.
God did not create evil.
Evil is result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart.

That was my answer, God is not evil, and I explained it.

Discuss.

But if God gave man the capacity to deny his presence and therefore commit evil, then he created evil. Can't really argue against that.

Whether or not this makes God evil in itself is a different matter.

Stole it right from my mouth.

God is omniscient. He would've known that evil would be created when he created man. By choosing not to remove it, he is evil.

I don't necessarily see the answer as so simple. The mere fact that God created everything, including man's capacity for evil, isn't enough in my eyes. Certainly, I think it demonstrates that God isn't all-loving, but more is required to define God as genuinely evil. Thankfully for heathens like myself, one can easily find more reasons.

One is the concept of Hell, if the religion we're talking about has such a concept. Humans doing bad stuff to each other is one thing. Evil inflicted directly by God as punishment is a totally different kettle of fish.

Another is the fact that the concept of free will doesn't actually make any sense. If evil was purely an unavoidable by-product of our God-given free will, I could accept it (though questions would have to be raised about God's omnipotence). If scriptures (e.g. the Bible) are to be believed, however, God really isn't that fussed about free will. He's talking to people and slaughtering people and generally making a nuisance of himself. He just seems unwilling to tackle the big issues.

So yeah.

If you believe that Good and Evil are subjective concepts to be determined from person to person then it warrants that there is no such thing as Good or Evil and so God cannot be either.

id say no evil is just the lack of good the proffessor is owned in front of his class do you uknow who the student was it was albert einstein!!!!!
forward to eleven hundred people or the litle girl from the grudge will b in ur bedroom @t 11:11 PM TONITE!!!!!!!!!!

I'd say that God can neither be benevolent nor Evil. A being that could encompass such unfathomable concepts and ideas can simply something something something. God is neutral.

I guess in a sense god created evil, but I would lean more towards the fact that he created us to have freedom of choice. Sure he allows evil, but it doesn't mean he doesn't frown upon it. Think about it, if he created us without the option of being "evil", we would just be happy little folks living in this happy little world all doing the happy dance, which would all just be fake. I've always likened it to a father forcing his kid to tell him he loves him. "Say you love me Jimmy, say it or I'll burn ya!, I love you..." That doesn't mean anything. The way I see it, god wants us to love and obey his commandments because we choose to, not because he programmed it into us. So yes, maybe technically god created evil, but I wouldn't say that makes him evil in any sense.

If you'll think on that way, God created evil AND good, therefore he is neutral.

But isn't it more evil to burn good nonbelievers, and award not-so-good believers, what monotheistic religions' God would do? It's like if the point of living is actually to believe, not actually do some good deeds, to contribute to humanity.
If we say that some religion is correct and it's not Christianity, Islam nor Judaism, is it fair to punish all those scientists who made our life so much easier and better with their achievements? From this point of view, he is evil.

Also, the Why did God create me? thread. Doesn't that make God a bit evil, too? I mean, if he already knew I won't believe in him, why did he create me? He would do me quite a favor by not doing it, if all I do is live for some years and then suffer in eternal fire.

And Tunco, you're saying that atheists are evil and theists are not? I find it more logical that believers are those don't have any moral values in themselves so they need someone threatening with eternal hell to make them better.

Ampersand wrote:I'd say that God can neither be benevolent nor Evil. A being that could encompass such unfathomable concepts and ideas can simply something something something. God is neutral.

Maybe Lawful Neutral, though.

EdoI wrote:Also, the Why did God create me? thread. Doesn't that make God a bit evil, too? I mean, if he already knew I won't believe in him, why did he create me? He would do me quite a favor by not doing it, if all I do is live for some years and then suffer in eternal fire.

And Tunco, you're saying that atheists are evil and theists are not? I find it more logical that believers are those don't have any moral values in themselves so they need someone threatening with eternal hell to make them better.

EdoI, your mommy and daddy did something in their bedroom, and then, you borned.

It's not something you can control. What you can control is your life, choosing between right and wrong, and at the end, not going to the eternal fire.
And I don't say atheist are evil, being atheist is your (the person) own choice, I don't care if (the person) is atheist or not. It's his/her choice.

blue_tetris wrote:

Ampersand wrote:I'd say that God can neither be benevolent nor Evil. A being that could encompass such unfathomable concepts and ideas can simply something something something. God is neutral.

Maybe Lawful Neutral, though.

I second that though.

Tunco123 wrote:

EdoI wrote:Also, the Why did God create me? thread. Doesn't that make God a bit evil, too? I mean, if he already knew I won't believe in him, why did he create me? He would do me quite a favor by not doing it, if all I do is live for some years and then suffer in eternal fire.

And Tunco, you're saying that atheists are evil and theists are not? I find it more logical that believers are those don't have any moral values in themselves so they need someone threatening with eternal hell to make them better.

EdoI, your mommy and daddy did something in their bedroom, and then, you borned.

It's not something you can control. What you can control is your life, choosing between right and wrong, and at the end, not going to the eternal fire.
And I don't say atheist are evil, being atheist is your (the person) own choice, I don't care if (the person) is atheist or not. It's his/her choice.

Yes but, speaking about religion, God created my soul, didn't he? I can't control that, but God can.
And yes, you did indirectly say evil is caused by atheism:

Tunco123 wrote:Evil is result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart.

blue_tetris wrote:

Ampersand wrote:I'd say that God can neither be benevolent nor Evil. A being that could encompass such unfathomable concepts and ideas can simply something something something. God is neutral.

Maybe Lawful Neutral, though.

No effing way. God is Chaotic Neutral. He ignores all of the natural laws; that's what makes him God.

blue_tetris wrote:

Ampersand wrote:I'd say that God can neither be benevolent nor Evil. A being that could encompass such unfathomable concepts and ideas can simply something something something. God is neutral.

Maybe Lawful Neutral, though.

I know how he feels.

Ampersand wrote:

blue_tetris wrote:

Ampersand wrote:I'd say that God can neither be benevolent nor Evil. A being that could encompass such unfathomable concepts and ideas can simply something something something. God is neutral.

Maybe Lawful Neutral, though.

I know how he feels.

Obviously.
*looks at Ampersand sig*

If you ever find yourself asking questions like "is God evil?" or "wait, how come none of this makes any sense?" then it's time to get out of religion. :P


edit: added a smiley because slappy needs to chill. :P

SkyPanda wrote:If you ever find yourself asking questions like "is God evil?" or "wait, how come none of this makes any sense?" then it's time to get out of religion.

In a perfect world:

1) You would keep this sort of thing in the topic where religious folk go to defend their faith.
2) You weren`t on our side of the argument, because Lord knows our reputation is pressed enough.
3) You were able to cogently form arguments against specific points rather than making overdrawn statements like the above.

But, unfortunately, you won`t, because of the whole `Being SkyPanda`thing. :(

Tunco123 wrote:Evil is result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart.

Umm.. no. Evil is completely subjective, therefore your statement is incorrect.