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More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.21 (22:34)
by Aldaric
Would you condone bombing an enemy city during wartime?
Here is my opinion:
If bombing the city would significantly shorten or end the war, then I would say yes. Obviously, innocents would die, but if the war didn't end as quickly then more innocent people would die. Even when you send in foot soldiers, innocents are at risk. So in theory I would say, "Yes. Bomb it.," but bombing a city usually doesn't end the war. In fact, it can anger people to the degree of terrorism. It would just incite more anger, thus more war and more dead innocents. So I am going to say No.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.21 (22:40)
by SlappyMcGee
Depends what you are at war about. WW2? Fucking Nazis! Cold war? Meh.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.21 (22:46)
by otters~1
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.21 (23:08)
by SlappyMcGee
Boy yawns at Vonnegut, boy gets his ass BEAT.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.21 (23:21)
by T3chno
Vietnam?
North Korea?
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (00:29)
by Aldaric
The war in Iraq.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (01:02)
by otters
Aldaric wrote:The war in Iraq.
Iraq is getting
really hard. We should probably
pull out of the
country before the disastrous
climax of this whole thing.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (01:20)
by t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư
Under no circumstances is bombing non-combatants acceptable.
Wight wrote:Aldaric wrote:The war in Iraq.
Iraq is getting
really hard. We should probably
pull out of the
country before the disastrous
climax of this whole thing.
Expensive consequences we'll regret, etc.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (13:49)
by jinxed_07
Aldaric wrote:The war in Iraq.
v_v
We are at war with the religious nuts in Iraq, not Iraq itself. I would only condone bombing a countries city to shorten a war if we were at war with that country itself. Period.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (14:34)
by Mute Monk
Civilians aren't shooting at you. Therefore, you don't shoot at them. Same goes for dropping bombs. If an army/navy/air force is any good at all, they won't need to drop bombs on civilian targets, because destroying the military ones will suffice.
And the only reason the U.S. has pretty much lost the war in Iraq is because they suck at guerrilla warfare. No really, they do. It's the same reason why NATO is sucking in Afghanistan.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (15:02)
by SlappyMcGee
Mute Monk wrote:Civilians aren't shooting at you. Therefore, you don't shoot at them. Same goes for dropping bombs. If an army/navy/air force is any good at all, they won't need to drop bombs on civilian targets, because destroying the military ones will suffice.
And the only reason the U.S. has pretty much lost the war in Iraq is because they suck at guerrilla warfare. No really, they do. It's the same reason why NATO is sucking in Afghanistan.
Yeah, but you should see them at Gorilla warfare.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (21:12)
by Skyling
I'm opposed to warfare in general, so no. But if our beloved city is in very imminent danger of a bomb attack from the hostiles, then yes, it would probably be a good idea.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (21:51)
by otters~1
SlappyMcGee wrote:
Boy yawns at Vonnegut, boy gets his ass BEAT.
Boy yawns at thread, while pointing out Vonnegut's general superiority. Other boy jumps in, misconstrues and insults first boy. Boy on boy action ensues, and nobody likes that.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (22:02)
by SlappyMcGee
flagmyidol wrote:SlappyMcGee wrote:
Boy yawns at Vonnegut, boy gets his ass BEAT.
Boy yawns at thread, while pointing out Vonnegut's general superiority. Other boy jumps in, misconstrues and insults first boy. Boy on boy action ensues, and nobody likes that.
No, no, I understood you. I was being playful. Do you honestly think that anybody could dislike Vonnegut? :P
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (22:08)
by otters~1
SlappyMcGee wrote:
No, no, I understood you. I was being playful. Do you honestly think that anybody could dislike Vonnegut? :P
Well, yeah, since he goes on in his autobiography about how they banned
Cat's Cradle in schools all over the country and burned it ceremonially in Montana.
That said, nobody intelligent could.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (22:19)
by SlappyMcGee
flagmyidol wrote:SlappyMcGee wrote:
No, no, I understood you. I was being playful. Do you honestly think that anybody could dislike Vonnegut? :P
Well, yeah, since he goes on in his autobiography about how they banned
Cat's Cradle in schools all over the country and burned it ceremonially in Montana.
That said, nobody intelligent could.
No, no, he was just being playful! They burned and, err... banned the book in praise!
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (23:09)
by Aldaric
Lets say the key leaders of all the terrorist groups met in an apartment building. Would you bomb that building if it ended terrorism? or Would you not bomb it because a few innocents would die. (Assuming bombing is the only option because there was no other way to capture kill the terrorists)
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (23:22)
by SlappyMcGee
Aldaric wrote:Lets say the key leaders of all the terrorist groups met in an apartment building. Would you bomb that building if it ended terrorism? or Would you not bomb it because a few innocents would die. (Assuming bombing is the only option because there was no other way to capture kill the terrorists)
Errrm. Why does this situation exist? Can't we just use nets?
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (23:37)
by lord_day
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.22 (23:44)
by T3chno
Stop leeching you noob
bomb lord_day for this outrageous action
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.23 (01:53)
by otters
SlappyMcGee wrote:Do you honestly think that anybody could dislike Vonnegut? :P
I've sort of been wary of that man ever since I read one of his more depressing short stories.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.23 (02:36)
by SlappyMcGee
flagmyidol wrote:
That said, nobody intelligent could.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.23 (03:33)
by scythe
Under no circumstances is bombing non-combatants acceptable.
What about soldiers who would rather not serve, but were drafted?
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.23 (03:37)
by t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư
scythe33 wrote:Under no circumstances is bombing non-combatants acceptable.
What about soldiers who would rather not serve, but were drafted?
What about them? The question is not about them.
But if you want an answer all the same, of course I'd say the ideal victory comes without spilling a drop of blood, but when it comes right down to it, I don't care about the motivations of the other guy's dudes for shooting at my dudes -- they're shooting my dudes! I certainly believe in shooting back at dudes who are shooting at mine, regardless of how bad they feel that they're doing it.
C'est la guerre.
Re: More Ethics
Posted: 2009.10.23 (13:19)
by jinxed_07
Lets say the key leaders of all the terrorist groups met in an apartment building. Would you bomb that building if it ended terrorism? or Would you not bomb it because a few innocents would die. (Assuming bombing is the only option because there was no other way to capture kill the terrorists)
I'm sure that we could arrest/take them out with spec. ops... and I already said I wouldn't use bombs at the cost of innocents unless we are at war with a country.
Aldaric wrote:"Yes. Bomb it.," but bombing a city usually doesn't end the war.
As far as I can recall, we have only 'bombed' a city (or two) in one war, and both of those were in the same country, for the same war. Which instance are you using when you say that 'bombing a city usually doesn't end the war?