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I'm pondering bringing back some form of top rated. Whatever it will be, however, it's not going to be the all-time top rated of yore.

Here's my current proposition: At the end of each week, a list of the top 10 rated maps for that week is published. Users can browse through past weeks' top rated lists in much the same way as they can browse past featured maps. In addition, each map permanently gets a 'top10' tag, and a message saying "This map was one of the top 10 rated maps for the week of <date>".

One alternate suggestion that's already been put to me but is, alas, impractical: Having a page that displays maps submitted in the past week, ordered by rating. Apart from practicality, this also has the disadvantage that it doesn't provide any sort of historical view of good maps.

What I'm looking for is suggestions: How would you like to see it organized? Can you improve on my proposal?

Arachnid wrote:What I'm looking for is suggestions: How would you like to see it organized? Can you improve on my proposal?

Top-Rated of the {Week; Month / 6 months; Year}.

Hot Maps sort of sets the "Top-Rated of the Day" and I think bringing back All Time would just encourage sniping again.

That's my proposal and if it can't be done then oh well. But maybe there's a slight chance it can be done.

I like the Top Rated maps of the Week idea.

Maybe for the beginning of the month, we could have a recap of the top rated maps of the month!

I like this idea, but I wouldn't go farther than the top-rated of the week, as in Arachnid's original proposal. I like that we would be able to browse previous top10's as well; it'll make Dronies Nominations a good bit easier.

Besides, doesn't the ability to see past top10's eliminate the need for month/year lists anyway? Sure, it wouldn't be a top10 of the month/year, but it would still narrow the number of maps for that time period to a manageable selection.

Yes.

Sounds perfect.

I have a similar idea for AltArc, where it caches a list of top-rated maps (which might only be updated, say, every (NumberOfMaps ^ (1/4)) votes), and can then display the top maps for the day, week, month, year, and all time. I think that with tens of thousands of maps, this idea might be flawed, but it's working for me with a few thousand.

Pheidippides wrote:Besides, doesn't the ability to see past top10's eliminate the need for month/year lists anyway? Sure, it wouldn't be a top10 of the month/year, but it would still narrow the number of maps for that time period to a manageable selection.

And yes, this post brings me back to the argument for removing Top-Rated in the first place, in that the very top rated maps had minute differences in the rating (by a few thousandths or less). Creating dynamic top-rated pages would probably bring back a lot of the things that were more or less eliminated when the top-rated and top-authors pages were removed.

So yeah, I'm officially agreeing with everyone else in this thread. That idea sounds perfect.

I'd prefer if it were monthly top tens, so that at the end of each year there would be 120 maps, some if not all of which could easily be candidates for The Dronies. (I'm sure lord_day would like this.) I think that this way, you have roughly thirty featured maps a month, both old and new, and ten most-liked maps, plenty from which to choose. Besides, chances are that you would receive higher quality maps per month on the basis of longevity (that is, they must be good because they lasted a whole month).

But for the same reason I didn't like bitesized maps being featured, I don't want to see last month's top ten maps being featured. I already know it's a good map; you don't need to remind me.

I am for Arachnid's first suggestion. However, I'm curious about one thing:

After the Top 10 has been published, more people are bound to rate those maps and ratings will change. Therefore, the map that was fifth on the list, say, could actually end up being the seventh highest rated, instead. So I assume that the positions will be fixed then?

Mae wrote:So I assume that the positions will be fixed then?

It will update itself automaticly, the way it should be.

Idea is pure, and perfect.
Top10 of the month is a bad idea, people would like to see popular maps often as possible, because, when a map gets rated enough, other day, it drops out of the hot maps page, so it would be stupid to wait until end of the month to see Top10's. Once a week is enough.

Arachnid wrote:Having a page that displays maps submitted in the past week, ordered by rating. Apart from practicality, this also has the disadvantage that it doesn't provide any sort of historical view of good maps.

Ordered by rating; which would be nice, you don't have to browse through pages to find a good map.
On the other hand, it doesn't provides historical view, which would be bad in some cases.

That's a thing that should be worked on. Maybe two views at once, historical view and ordered by rating. You should be able to change these two views, imo.

This is perfect.

Life247 wrote:Besides, chances are that you would receive higher quality maps per month on the basis of longevity (that is, they must be good because they lasted a whole month).

That's assuming that maps will receive attention for a whole month, which, in reality, just doesn't happen. Even if maps are /really/ well-liked, they'll find their way off the Hot Maps page within about a week. That, and what if a map quickly built up a very high rating off only a few people and then disappeared off Hot Maps for the remainder of the month? I don't think that would be a map representative of a community favorite for a whole month - but for a week, it's more suitable. Basically, my argument is that maps come and go too quickly to have a monthly top-rated. A weekly selection is ideal, considering the shelf-life of your average popular map.

Exüberance wrote:Yes.

Sounds perfect.

Quite Freaking Exactly.

weekly sounds perfect because the top rated off old numa had one major flaw, it didnt renew itself so maps that got big rates wouldn't budge like afternoon step dragon, that was at the top for more than a year, and maybe this could work like feature with mods reveiwing and posting or something

and with haveing mutliple rated maps out to see, we sould also update the rateing system to 0.5 - 1 -1.5 - etc. that way people have more of a choice while looking at the 10 maps

Sweet! NUMA needed something like this. How soon?

last thing i heard arachnid had it planned to work on in the next couple weeks

Wait a minute... part of the reason I started AltArc was because of the technical limitations NUMA acquired, especially sorting by rating. Now all my work seems a little bit less useful. :(

Manus Australis wrote:

Arachnid wrote:Hot Maps sort of sets the "Top-Rated of the Day" and I think bringing back All Time would just encourage sniping again.

Sniping stopped?
I must've missed that. Almost all of my maps get a 0 within a few hours of being submitted.

Scrap Hot Maps, bring back the old Newest Maps page.

Gforce wrote:Wait a minute... part of the reason I started AltArc was because of the technical limitations NUMA acquired, especially sorting by rating. Now all my work seems a little bit less useful. :(

NUMA was always going to get these updates. Still, it's a cool project, and who's to know if it won't be valuable to the community? I'm sure users will get involved with it.

Plus it must be a good experience for you coding it, so fret not!

amomentlikethis wrote:Almost all of my maps get a 0 within a few hours of being submitted.

Do they actually, or are you just not getting the ratings you want? Because you are the only person I know who still complains about being regurlarly snipered. As far as I'm aware, the issue has largely died down.

amomentlikethis wrote:

Manus Australis wrote:

Arachnid wrote:Hot Maps sort of sets the "Top-Rated of the Day" and I think bringing back All Time would just encourage sniping again.

Sniping stopped?
I must've missed that. Almost all of my maps get a 0 within a few hours of being submitted.

Scrap Hot Maps, bring back the old Newest Maps page.

Wait, what? How is just ordering by submission date better than the current float/sink system?

im all for the original suggestion, as long as the "top10" tag is only locked on at the end of the week. i know that encourages sniping or whatever but it would also prevent "ZOMG IM 5AVING DIS WUN SO HARD CAUSE I LOVE YOU <prolific mapper>! SINE MY BALLS PLZ!" type spamming giving undeserving maps a nice tag.
Nice work on the new ratings graph by the way, whoever did that. slick.

lord_day wrote:

amomentlikethis wrote:Almost all of my maps get a 0 within a few hours of being submitted.

Do they actually, or are you just not getting the ratings you want? Because you are the only person I know who still complains about being regurlarly snipered. As far as I'm aware, the issue has largely died down.

I'm on about the first rating being a 0.

atob wrote:Plus it must be a good experience for you coding it, so fret not!

Indeed... that's half the reason I began AltArc, and I think it has helped me out. Still, though.

i think its nice cuz i think theres more opertunity to see maps up at the top, the first (i think) double hot map showing has occured, thats like once in a blue moon

This would be nice.

Do you think maybe you could install a feature where it shows who rated what? This could help greatly pick out the snipers.