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Postby EddyMataGallos » 2020.04.11 (01:04)

We finally have a good AGD route for 43-0! Nice stuff Raif.

I'll take this opportunity to post this collaborative MBD, mainly by ska:

95-0, 127.600, 0.375 faster than the 3-way tie for 0th beating the drone bottleneck.


ska wrote:In April 2020, a four-way collaboration on 95-0 managed to achieve an innovation that until then had only been theoretical. An idea, raised by ska, was to dodge the drone near the very end of the level. The first phase of the plan was to ensure the dodge (dubbed the 'slip' by ska) was even possible. Vankusss supplied ska with demo data, confirming that the slip was possible. Next, ska made some comparisons between the top-performing highscorers to see where time could be saved. He extracted the first 400 frames or so from Mr Lim's 0th run, which he noticed was exceptionally clean. The initial plan was to stitch various runs together, but after a while it became evident that a proper MBD would need to be made. Because it was ska's first attempt at an MBD, it took him a solid day to get most of the run done. However, he was finding the end to be particularly tricky, so he handed over the final chimney section for EddyMataGallos to complete, which he did, managing to successfully execute the slip to break the bottleneck and thus saving 0.375 seconds and breaking a 13-year-old record (albeit not done in a real-time run). The run is Mr Lim's last remaining 0th, which is currently a three-way tie on the official boards.
EDIT: Btw I'd like to mention that Raif has further investigated this level in an attempt to completely beat the drone at the end, and it seems like this is not possible.
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About me & Stats (Spoiler)

Hi, im Eddy, a Spanish highscorer and current Grandmaster of N. I've been playing N since 2006, I beat it on the 8th September 2008, and NReality later too. Started intermittently highscoring Metanet in 2010, although serious highscoring started in late 2011.

Current Stats
• Completed N on 8th Sept. 2008
• Completed NReality on 24th Dec. 2010
0th Place on Metanet 0th Rankings with 443 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Top20 Rankings with 599 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Top10 Rankings with 599 Scores.
1st Place on Metanet Top5 Rankings with 595 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Level 0th Rankings with 361 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Episode 0th Rankings with 82 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Total Level Score: 72142.900 (20:02:22.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Episode Score: 35669.900 (09:54:29.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Point Rankings with 11669 Points.
0th Place in NReality 0th Rankings with 235 0ths.
0th Place for a grand total of 676 Total 0ths.
• Winner of some contests (BUST, 100, 9000, Bounty Hunters, SOAST) and of some rounds of some contests (ROPP, NErratic, Red Ball, NReality Team Arena)

{Info as of 01/Feb/2015} The info may be outdated.

Achievements
• 6th highscorer to reach 100 Metanet 0ths
• 4th highscorer to reach 200 Metanet 0ths
• 1st and only highscorer to reach 300 Metanet 0ths
• 1st and only highscorer to reach 400 Metanet 0ths
• 8th ever Grandmaster
• 2nd* highscorer to reach 599 top-20 Scores
• 1st highscorer to reach 599 top-10 Scores
• 10th highscorer to reach 70k Level Score
• 5th highscorer to reach 71k Level Score
• 2nd highscorer to reach 71.5k Level Score
• 1st highscorer to reach 72k Level Score

Relevant Dates
• First 0th: 31-3 on 04/Oct/10
• Reached 100 Metanet 0ths on 25/Feb/12
• Reached 200 Metanet 0ths on 30/Sep/12
• Reached 300 Metanet 0ths on 16/Mar/13
• Reached 400 Metanet 0ths on 04/Sept/14
• Reached highest amount of 0ths on Jan/2013
• Became the Grandmaster on 12/Apr/2012
• Reached 70k Level Score on 25/Dec/11
• Reached 71k Level Score on 13/Jan/11
• Reached 71.5k Level Score on 01/Aug/12
• Reached 72k Level Score on 04/Jul/14
• Completed N 1.4 on 08/Sept/08
• Completed NReality on 24/Dec/10
• Reached 100 NReality 0ths on Oct/2011
• Reached 200 NReality 0ths on Nov/2011
• Reached 100 Top-20 Scores on Aug/10
• Reached 200 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 300 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 400 Top-20 Scores on Dec/11
• Reached 500 Top-20 Scores on Jan/12
• Reached 599 Top-20 Scores on 04/Apr/12
• Reached 599 Top-10 Scores on 18/Nov/12

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Postby Raif » 2020.04.13 (03:50)

Redid my 29-3 MBD from eleven(!) years ago. Should be close to maxed without another way around the drone bottleneck.

29-3 Highscore (124.775, 0.475 faster than old MBD, 2.100 faster than macro)

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Postby Raif » 2020.04.13 (10:06)

Don't normally MBD NReality columns, but the launchpad walljump opportunities here were too good to pass up

197-4 Highscore (136.125, 20.300 faster than Eddy)

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Postby macrohenry » 2020.05.13 (12:19)

Amazing as always, Raif. 197-4 is impressive for the sheer number of hard tricks but 29-3 is even more enjoyable to watch for more, simply because of how perfectly clean the run is.
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Postby EddyMataGallos » 2020.05.13 (22:05)

Yeah, even though we already talked in the Discord, I should give the recognition through here as well, both runs are nuts. You straight up humiliated those poor launchpads in 197-4, give them a break dude xD

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Impressive flag by ska -|- N2High - My software for N2.0 -|- Awesome sig by Hendor
About me & Stats (Spoiler)

Hi, im Eddy, a Spanish highscorer and current Grandmaster of N. I've been playing N since 2006, I beat it on the 8th September 2008, and NReality later too. Started intermittently highscoring Metanet in 2010, although serious highscoring started in late 2011.

Current Stats
• Completed N on 8th Sept. 2008
• Completed NReality on 24th Dec. 2010
0th Place on Metanet 0th Rankings with 443 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Top20 Rankings with 599 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Top10 Rankings with 599 Scores.
1st Place on Metanet Top5 Rankings with 595 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Level 0th Rankings with 361 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Episode 0th Rankings with 82 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Total Level Score: 72142.900 (20:02:22.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Episode Score: 35669.900 (09:54:29.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Point Rankings with 11669 Points.
0th Place in NReality 0th Rankings with 235 0ths.
0th Place for a grand total of 676 Total 0ths.
• Winner of some contests (BUST, 100, 9000, Bounty Hunters, SOAST) and of some rounds of some contests (ROPP, NErratic, Red Ball, NReality Team Arena)

{Info as of 01/Feb/2015} The info may be outdated.

Achievements
• 6th highscorer to reach 100 Metanet 0ths
• 4th highscorer to reach 200 Metanet 0ths
• 1st and only highscorer to reach 300 Metanet 0ths
• 1st and only highscorer to reach 400 Metanet 0ths
• 8th ever Grandmaster
• 2nd* highscorer to reach 599 top-20 Scores
• 1st highscorer to reach 599 top-10 Scores
• 10th highscorer to reach 70k Level Score
• 5th highscorer to reach 71k Level Score
• 2nd highscorer to reach 71.5k Level Score
• 1st highscorer to reach 72k Level Score

Relevant Dates
• First 0th: 31-3 on 04/Oct/10
• Reached 100 Metanet 0ths on 25/Feb/12
• Reached 200 Metanet 0ths on 30/Sep/12
• Reached 300 Metanet 0ths on 16/Mar/13
• Reached 400 Metanet 0ths on 04/Sept/14
• Reached highest amount of 0ths on Jan/2013
• Became the Grandmaster on 12/Apr/2012
• Reached 70k Level Score on 25/Dec/11
• Reached 71k Level Score on 13/Jan/11
• Reached 71.5k Level Score on 01/Aug/12
• Reached 72k Level Score on 04/Jul/14
• Completed N 1.4 on 08/Sept/08
• Completed NReality on 24/Dec/10
• Reached 100 NReality 0ths on Oct/2011
• Reached 200 NReality 0ths on Nov/2011
• Reached 100 Top-20 Scores on Aug/10
• Reached 200 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 300 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 400 Top-20 Scores on Dec/11
• Reached 500 Top-20 Scores on Jan/12
• Reached 599 Top-20 Scores on 04/Apr/12
• Reached 599 Top-10 Scores on 18/Nov/12

Deds & Images (Spoiler)

Thanks to ska for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to BluePretzel for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to da_guru for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to zoasBE for dedicating this full episode to me!: 00-0 00-100-2 00-3 00-4
Thanks to zoasBE for dedicating this mappack to me
Thanks to zoasBE for partially dedicating this map to me
Thanks to VODKALOVER for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to runningninja for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to zoasBE for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to zoasBE for partially dedicating this map to me
Thanks to trance for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to zoasBE for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to zoasBE for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to llabesab for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to the23 for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Traveleravi for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to 123leonidas321 for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to the23 for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Uniden for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Uniden for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Ors_II for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Sunset for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to blue_rocks for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Leonhard for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to blue_rocks for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Daggafork for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to VODKALOVER for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to blue_rocks for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to blue_rocks for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Armaghan_Ali for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Armaghan_Ali for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to Armaghan_Ali for dedicating this map to me
Thanks to RandomDigits/SpartaX18 for dedicating this map to me
Sorry if Im missing any ded.

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Postby ska » 2021.03.15 (10:32)

I've never been more excited for an MBD than raif's 78-3. I won't post the WIP yet, but I can't express in words how excited I am for it (based on what is done so far). If it all comes together, it will be a masterpiece.

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Postby zapkt » 2022.03.10 (16:32)

Hi there!
In case you haven't seen, a N+ TAS has been made: https://tasvideos.org/4602M

That kind of makes me feel like compiling the TASes in this thread to make a full run of the game. But there aren't a lot of runs not going for golds, are they?

For the record, there is an old thread about N submissions on tasvideos.org here: https://tasvideos.org/Forum/Topics/9371

(I wish this forum's logging issue was fixed. Who is maintaining it?)

Edit: there are 51 speedruns out of 500 levels, that leaves a lot of work :/
Edit2: A 100% run could be a decent submission, though. Just not sure whether this would be considered too long (and if a flash game would be accepted)
There are currently ~150 highscore TAS. Would anybody feel like going through all the level and see which ones still have room for improvement in a TAS?

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Postby ska » 2022.03.12 (01:59)

zapkt wrote:
2022.03.10 (16:32)
Hi there!
In case you haven't seen, a N+ TAS has been made: https://tasvideos.org/4602M

That kind of makes me feel like compiling the TASes in this thread to make a full run of the game. But there aren't a lot of runs not going for golds, are they?

For the record, there is an old thread about N submissions on tasvideos.org here: https://tasvideos.org/Forum/Topics/9371

(I wish this forum's logging issue was fixed. Who is maintaining it?)

Edit: there are 51 speedruns out of 500 levels, that leaves a lot of work :/
Edit2: A 100% run could be a decent submission, though. Just not sure whether this would be considered too long (and if a flash game would be accepted)
There are currently ~150 highscore TAS. Would anybody feel like going through all the level and see which ones still have room for improvement in a TAS?
Hmm... this would be an absolutely herculean task, although it would be amazing to see. If this were to be done, I think the best thing to do would be to collate all the speedrun 0ths—both legit and TAS. You could then go through and decide which ones are worth improving via TAS or FBF. Whatever gets left behind can just be included as is. One could simply subtitle each level with who created the run and whether it was TAS or a real-time run. I've always thought about doing this, but my worry was always that it would become obsolete fairly quickly. Now that the 1.4 scene is pretty much dead, I think it would be a good time to preserve its legacy in video format. Oh, by the way, I also think there should be a highscore category, if it's possible to combine the individual TAS and real-time highscores into a single playback that preserves the score across levels. Happy to help make this happen, even if it's just doing screen capturing or video editing.

Cheers.

P.S. It's great to see you again, zapkt! Hope you're doing great!

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Postby zapkt » 2022.04.17 (19:07)

Update : there is a first Flash TAS! TASing flash is definitely possible now. See https://tasvideos.org/4633M. A comment says it's using Ruffle + libTAS

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Postby ska » 2022.04.21 (22:37)

zapkt wrote:
2022.04.17 (19:07)
Update : there is a first Flash TAS! TASing flash is definitely possible now. See https://tasvideos.org/4633M. A comment says it's using Ruffle + libTAS
Awesome! Someone call raif!


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