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http://nmaps.net/user/ska · Postby **ska** » 2015.02.13 (16:53)

macrohenry wrote:
ska wrote:
Hendor wrote:That looks weird. I think his thwump push just pushed him down fast enough that he died on the floor.
Thanks, Captain Obvious ;)
I think the reason that he got so much speed is that he hit the thwump at the exact moment when it changed directions or maybe 1-2 frames after that. That's the only explanation that comes to my mind.

Yeah... that makes sense...

Here's the exact same demo, except the objects and tiles have been re-positioned; it's intended to demonstrate how quickly terminal velocity is released. (Terminal in every sense of the word.)

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EDIT: HOLD. ON. something has gone very wrong!

OK.. what in the holy hell? If you play this in debug mode, he is boosted down... but in userlevels, he does not. I've double checked this... wtf? This is even weirder now...

Debug data:

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debug demo:

Let me reiterate: the exact same map data/demo data produces different results within the physics engine, depending on which format its played back in... This is perhaps an even wilder discovery than when I found out that certain deaths do not produce deaths when played back in userlevels...

http://www.nmaps.net/user/Aidiera · Postby **aids** » 2015.02.13 (17:33)

Not really. Many times when you die on a chimney and watch a replay, you won't actually die. Play and replay are two different modes, and since replay is the less important one, it's probably less reliant on the physics engine.

http://nmaps.net/user/ska · Postby **ska** » 2015.02.13 (17:36)

▲▪►▪▼◄▲ wrote:Not really. Many times when you die on a chimney and watch a replay, you won't actually die. Play and replay are two different modes, and since replay is the less important one, it's probably less reliant on the physics engine.

Right, but this isn't about death; this completely changes the outcome of a run without death being involved at all. (At least directly, anyway.)

http://nmaps.net/user/EddyMataGallos · Postby **EddyMataGallos** » 2015.02.13 (18:20)

ska wrote:
▲▪►▪▼◄▲ wrote:Not really. Many times when you die on a chimney and watch a replay, you won't actually die. Play and replay are two different modes, and since replay is the less important one, it's probably less reliant on the physics engine.
Right, but this isn't about death; this completely changes the outcome of a run without death being involved at all. (At least directly, anyway.)

It'd be interesting to recreate that same spot at the top of the map, and then continue the run and finish. See if it does indeed change the output or not, because it'd be a big deal if it only worked via one method.

http://nmaps.net/user/atomizer · Postby **atomizer** » 2015.02.13 (22:45)

the data is not the same

demo data from userlevels demo:
62:115483170|107374182|107374182|35791462|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|223696
the other demo:
111:115483170|107374182|107374182|35791462|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|2236962|0|0|0|0|0|0|0

hint: you failed to copypaste the userlevels demo properly
ska pls

http://nmaps.net/user/therealone · Postby **TheRealOne** » 2015.02.13 (23:55)

atomizer wrote:the data is not the same

demo data from userlevels demo:
62:115483170|107374182|107374182|35791462|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|223696
the other demo:
111:115483170|107374182|107374182|35791462|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|2236962|0|0|0|0|0|0|0

hint: you failed to copypaste the userlevels demo properly
ska pls

That'll do it.

That said if it can be discerned how to reliably use this exploit then it is certainly worthwhile to pursue.

http://nmaps.net/user/ska · Postby **ska** » 2015.02.14 (05:36)

I figured someone would say this... did you even try the original demo data? It has the same effect... the longer demo data is just to account for the longer fall that wasn't present using the original map layout.

http://nmaps.net/user/therealone · Postby **TheRealOne** » 2015.02.14 (19:00)

ska wrote:I figured someone would say this... did you even try the original demo data? It has the same effect... the longer demo data is just to account for the longer fall that wasn't present using the original map layout.

Both demos work at the upper position. Its just in the 62 frame demo you missed the last "2" of the demo data. Your first post has the correct 62 frame demo. The longer demo with trailing nothing frames has no effect.

62 frame demo with missing 2.

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111 Frame demo unchanged

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http://nmaps.net/user/ska · Postby **ska** » 2015.02.14 (19:49)

WELL, THIS IS FUCKING EMBARRASSING.

http://nmaps.net/user/therealone · Postby **TheRealOne** » 2015.02.14 (20:25)

ska wrote:WELL, THIS IS FUCKING EMBARRASSING.

No worries. Redemption can be had as well if you can find a location for application of the trick.

http://nmaps.net/user/atomizer · Postby **atomizer** » 2015.02.14 (20:26)

i used BOLD to show the difference come on wtf

http://nmaps.net/user/ska · Postby **ska** » 2015.02.14 (20:46)

atomizer wrote:i used BOLD to show the difference come on wtf

You have to understand that I'm a self-absorbed narcissist who blantantly (and smugly) ignored your correction. I have seen the error of my ways, and vow to never post again.

http://nmaps.net/user/atomizer · Postby **atomizer** » 2015.02.14 (21:52)

the internet is the only place where my asshole knowitall corrections will get noticed and you managed to ruin it

http://nmaps.net/user/ska · Postby **ska** » 2015.02.15 (06:05)

atomizer wrote:the internet is the only place where my asshole knowitall corrections will get noticed and you managed to ruin it

I'm sorry, did you say something? ;)

http://nmaps.net/user/lifdoff · Postby **lifdoff** » 2015.02.16 (21:13)

18th on 93-0. Still not happy though, I'm beating ska on that one. :P

EDIT: Improved, but haven't quite gotten ska yet. SOON

EDIT 2: Also improved my 29-4 run, thereby transferring it to the NReality boards. Now the only run of mine that isn't there is 77-0. I should probably work on that.

http://nmaps.net/user/LouDog004 · Postby **LouDog004** » 2015.02.20 (16:21)

233203 hs - also just want to pimp this map.

http://nmaps.net/user/ska · Postby **ska** » 2015.02.20 (16:57)

LouDog004 wrote:233203 hs - also just want to pimp this map.

ha. trippy map... nice run...

also, it seems the old iTunes fix has fixed my NReality lag issue... yay!

Edit: temporarily, it seems :/

http://nmaps.net/user/lifdoff · Postby **lifdoff** » 2015.02.22 (17:21)

7th on 77-3. My plan on getting a Top 20 on all of Episode 77 is slowly coming together...

Postby **Innuendonewb** » 2015.02.22 (18:35)

Got two top-20s in ep 77 today aswell, but after that post I made sure my 77-1 was 'safer' :)

http://nmaps.net/user/lifdoff · Postby **lifdoff** » 2015.02.22 (19:10)

Yeah, I'm definitely getting on that one as well. Give me a few days.

EDIT: Or hours. Tied you.

http://nmaps.net/user/EddyMataGallos · Postby **EddyMataGallos** » 2015.02.22 (21:05)

Nice work on Ep77 guys.

Took 97-2 sr with a cool new ending route :D

http://nmaps.net/user/macrohenry · Postby **macrohenry** » 2015.02.22 (21:18)

EddyMataGallos wrote:Nice work on Ep77 guys.

Took 97-2 sr with a cool new ending route :D

Woah, that's a run!

http://nmaps.net/user/therealone · Postby **TheRealOne** » 2015.02.22 (21:40)

macrohenry wrote:
EddyMataGallos wrote:Nice work on Ep77 guys.

Took 97-2 sr with a cool new ending route :D
Woah, that's a run!

Yeah, seriously. You made a clean ascent in the center look so easy when it is so not. 8-tiles can be a bitch.

http://nmaps.net/user/ska · Postby **ska** » 2015.02.23 (06:14)

yep. beautiful ascent.

http://nmaps.net/user/MiBeM · Postby **MiBeM** » 2015.02.23 (20:20)

12930 hs. Myself, xela, etz and lifdoff were racing. I really like my route on this one.

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