Metanet 0ths Thread

[macrohenry]

It's absolutely unbelievable what has happened during my absence. :o Props to everyone who has contributed.

[TheRealOne]

It's absolutely unbelievable what has happened during my absence. :o Props to everyone who has contributed.

... Yeah... So I just watched all of the 0ths I have missed since April and Holy Shit! The boards are being crushed. I love to see xaelar getting back at it. Eddy crushing everything in sight. Absolute insanity all around.

Huge congratulations to Eddy on the illusive Perfect Episode.

Also thank you Ska for putting on Blur, despite my dropping on the planet I am watching your round by round videos and it was awesome to watch those runs. Everyone still has their swagger for sure. Such a high level of competition I can't believe it.

[EddyMataGallos]

Damn TRO, nice to see you around :D And thanks man.
Took 44-0, 73-4 and 92-0. I just reached something relevant to this "old" thing golf suggested:

I'm sitting here wondering if its possible for Eddy to have a true column domination: complete ownage (or maybe even just 75%) of an entire column. He just about had all the ep 0th in the 40s, so maybe thats a good place to start. I also don't have any 0ths there, so it keeps him away from me for a while too :D

With these last 0ths I just reached that figure (75%) in every column! :D

[shomman]

I just reached that figure (75%) in every column! :D

That's absolutely mental. Congrats.
Next goal - a 100% column ownage?

[ska]

I just reached that figure (75%) in every column! :D

That's absolutely mental. Congrats.
Next goal - a 100% column ownage?

Can't see that happening.

[EddyMataGallos]

Yeah I think all columns have at least a 0th here or there that's insanely clean and would prevent me from getting that ownage. I'll wait until I'm closer, and then consider attacking that goal, that would be pretty cool.

EDIT: Some more 0ths today: Took Ep46, 46-0, 46-1, 46-4, Ep53, 67-2, 72-4. Improved my 46-2, 53-3 and 53-4 as well, in the episodes.

[ska]

Yeah I think all columns have at least a 0th here or there that's insanely clean and would prevent me from getting that ownage. I'll wait until I'm closer, and then consider attacking that goal, that would be pretty cool.

EDIT: Some more 0ths today: Took Ep46, 46-0, 46-1, 46-4, Ep53, 67-2, 72-4. Improved my 46-2, 53-3 and 53-4 as well, in the episodes.

How close is 53-4 from max using the current route, and nice job dethroning my 46-0 0th. Also, if you watch my 72-4, you can see that I am a little ahead until I opt not to jump... You might want to check on that...

[EddyMataGallos]

Regarding 72-4, yeah macro did too, I didn't pass the bottleneck properly indeed, with the drone not detecting me, that's like a couple frames loss though.

As for 53-4, I have no clue :P A drone at the end of a tunnel with an exit door is common enough of a situation that you'd expect it to be studied by now how many frames you have to reach the door, maybe Raif has already experimented with this, I don't think it's more than 4 or so. I remember that at the very first frame your speed matters, if you go frameperfectly at full speed the drone still kills you, if you go at the same frame but slower, you can reach the door. Happens often. Regarding my run, well I see it pretty close, I don't think there's more than another frame left if so, but it's a bit different than normal since maybe you can steer to the right at the end (as there's some free space, unlike in a tunnel) and get to it earlier, although I doubt it.

EDIT: Took Ep59, 59-4, Ep68. Tied 59-2, I can't believe I tied such a level man.

What's even worse, I kept trying and fucked up a quite faster run after getting the rcj, man, like, who would fuck up a run after that? There's nothing left, but of course, I managed to fuck it up. Having the tied 0th this means I probably won't be motivated ever again to return to this level by myself, unless somebody takes it or something.

[ska]

What's even worse, I kept trying and fucked up a quite faster run after getting the rcj, man, like, who would fuck up a run after that? There's nothing left, but of course, I managed to fuck it up. Having the tied 0th this means I probably won't be motivated ever again to return to this level by myself, unless somebody takes it or something.

Ahahaha. Sorry, but that is pretty hilarious; it reminds of when I beat the drone on 92-4 (using kryx's route), but died by hitting another drone.

[macrohenry]

Tough luck on 59-2. To be honest I was sure that nobody would attack my 0th there, guess I was wrong. :D

Retook 33-1 and -2. Originally I was only going to retake -1 without even realizing it was in your perfect episode. Sorry for that. :P

[ska]

Macrohenry is the only real reason why I don't think Eddy can pull off a 'column ownage'...

Originally I was only going to retake -1 without even realizing it was in your perfect episode. Sorry for that. :P

This is my main argument against why we shouldn't call it a 'perfect episode'. ;D

[xaelar]

59-3 0th for now by 5 frames. I initially just hoped to pass macro to be first like I will be in a few hours.

EDIT: 4 hours, 8 minutes and 52 seconds later: Eddy strikes again with a 103.100.
Another 6 minutes and 4 seconds later he improves to assert his dominance by another 5 frames to 103.225.

[EddyMataGallos]

That was a very clean run I have to say, that's why I added the cj to get some extra lead :P

Regrabbed 33-1 and -2 as well, I see you [macro] noticed I got a wrong upper part, I didn't notice until I finished the ep and realized Kool had a different top part, faster by like 6-8 frames maybe? Good thing there's another top route that's probably like another 6-8 frames faster, which I just used ;)

Oh, btw guys, I'm working on some cool functions for NHigh for displaying stats in colored charts, like:




Last one is from me, I'm not liking those colors though, I'll change them to some yellow intermediate probably.

I'm thinking on maybe some simpler ones which show scored levels/eps versus non scored ones, or maybe that's redundant (since the ranks ones already cover that).
Anyway, do you guys have any suggestion you'd like to have? I also did a general overview 0th trivia:

Suggestions?

[shomman]

Wow fascinating stuff. Those are really cool features (n2high plug)
Could you do that last fast facts thing, but for you?

[EddyMataGallos]

Thanks man, yeah here's mine:

The file is outdated because my 2.900 lead has been reduced by macro today haha.
You'll be able to do it shortly though, I'll just wait a little bit for people's suggestions (and implement a couple more ideas I have) until I upload this thing.

I'll get to N2High as well, hopefully :P I started a GUI version (like this one) like 1.5 years ago, I don't remember jack about how I coded it now though, so I'll first have to relearn it haha. I did it from scratch in C so it's completely different on the insides.

EDIT: What about regular top20 trivia? I think that would be pretty interesting as well.

[shomman]

Thanks. Very interesting. What episode do you have the 11 second lead on?! 33, right.
About n2high, IMO I'd prefer some functions we've talked about instead of a GUI. A GUI would be nice, but I don't think it's really essential. :D

[EddyMataGallos]

That's my opinion as well, I know some people preferred using GUI though, anyway both things are in the TODO list :P

The episode is actually 69, episode 33 has shorter levels so it's harder to attain a big lead even though it was a "perfect" episode.

Back to the topic, took 34-0 ;)

[TheRealOne]

59-3 0th for now by 5 frames. I initially just hoped to pass macro to be first like I will be in a few hours.

EDIT: 4 hours, 8 minutes and 52 seconds later: Eddy strikes again with a 103.100.
Another 6 minutes and 4 seconds later he improves to assert his dominance by another 5 frames to 103.225.

There is still hope for you and anyone else on that level. Eddy built a healthy lead on you through out the run, but in the upper left your CJ/PJ was much faster and you tied it up with him going in to the file two jumps and you hesitated a bit on the flat triangle and thus got a slower PJ to the exit. Eddy went full speed and took the lead. So Eddy's whole lead is solely from the last ~150 frames of the run. A clean run front to back on that level is not easy, especially with this new route, but definitely ample time left to retake the 0th.

Also there is always Raif's innovation of corner kicking the dead center 2 tile and skipping that ugly WJ in the middle of the run. :p
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[ska]

Back to the topic, took 34-0 ;)

Is this real life right now? What the hell, man!?

Also there is always Raif's innovation of corner kicking the dead center 2 tile and skipping that ugly WJ in the middle of the run. :p
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No human could do that...

Eddy, on the other hand...

[shomman]

Wow ska I've seen so many 0ths of yours taken recently. Maybe selective memory though, since its otherwise almost always just macro > eddy or eddy > macro.

[xaelar]

Wow... After seeing that splendid graph Eddy posted I went on to get some top 20s and just tied the 0th on 16-1 (yey!)

I went on to compare Raifs run to mine and this is the result:

Raif / xaelar


The whole middle parts are frame-wise identical!

[macrohenry]

33-1 back. Our runs on that level are getting ridiculously clean.

The whole middle parts are frame-wise identical!

Good job, now copy Raif's MBD. ;)

[EddyMataGallos]

Man yeah, I agree. It's getting tough to clean more frames.
I also realized my .550 run was only submitted to Infunity yesterday, thank god you didn't take it with that score :P

Retaken, I think I missed 2 better runs as well (I can't be sure, though).

Hey that spirit is what I was looking forward to with this function xela, nice to see you're cleaning the 'bad spots' :P

EDIT: Also snatched 32-4. Can something be done with this?:
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[ska]

Man yeah, I agree. It's getting tough to clean more frames.
I also realized my .550 run was only submitted to Infunity yesterday, thank god you didn't take it with that score :P

Retaken, I think I missed 2 better runs as well (I can't be sure, though).

Hey that spirit is what I was looking forward to with this function xela, nice to see you're cleaning the 'bad spots' :P

EDIT: Also snatched 32-4. Can something be done with this?:
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Damn, yeah, I really wonder how many of those can be implemented on this map. Consider this an MBD request.

[jp27ace]

Damn, nice runs Eddy. My 0ths are being crushed.
Taken 72-4 with a route change I posted over a year ago. I'm pretty sure I've posted an innov for 59-3 around here somewhere too but I can't seem to find it.