Neditor Nation 2, Brainstorming

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Postby Pheidippides » 2009.07.17 (19:48)

Alright, so a while back I posted an idea about a Memoir-like Neditor Nation site. Everyone seemed to be behind it, but it didn't really get anywhere right away. Now, LV has agreed to do what he can to set up such a site, which would allow us to start a new, bigger, better, easier Neditor Nation contest.

It'll probably be much easier for LV to code the site if we determine /exactly/ how the new contest will be working, so I want to get the brainstorming started. We need to decide on a lot of things, some of which could be very important to LV in coding the site, and some of which won't. I'll get us started with a basic, functional outline of one player's progress through the contest, and I'll keep this post updated with what we accomplish.

Gym Competition
  • The player registers for the Neditor Nation site. Upon registering, the player has no badges, and thus is only allowed to challenge the first Gym.
  • To challenge the first Gym, the player submits a map that follows the rules of the Gym.
  • The Judges vote to Pass/Fail the player's map. We'll assume the map passes. Because the player has passed the first Gym, he may challenge the second.
  • The player submits a map to challenge the second Gym in the same manner as the first, and continues until all eight Gyms have been passed.
  • The player may now challenge the Champion in the same manner as the Gyms. The Judges compare his map to the current Champion's. If the player passes, he becomes Champion, and then has to make a map to defend his position from other challengers.
The Gym Competition alone raises a few needs. Players need to be able to register/log-in and submit maps. Those maps need to be sortable into categories based on Gyms, so the Judges know how to judge them and perhaps so that a player can be explicitly restricted from challenging Gyms he hasn't reached, rather than relying on written rules to keep everything in line. Judges need the ability to pass and fail maps, and the site needs to respond to a certain threshold of passes/fails to determine a result for a challenge. The site would need to maintain information on players based on their results. As for being/becoming Champion, it would be ideal if the site could alter players' privileges automatically pending a Champion challenge result. Former Champions would need to be restricted from any further activity in Gym Competition, for example.

Scrimmage Competition
  • Ideally, users would submit their scrimmages in groups of maps, so that rather than viewing one map at a time, a user views the entire scrimmage and all its maps at once. I'm thinking of a submission page with multiple "map data" fields (and corresponding "author" fields), where one player gathers all the maps and submits them as one package.
  • When the scrimmage is submitted, a poll is set up where users can vote for their favorite map in the scrimmage. After a certain number of votes is reached, the poll is closed and a winner is determined. The winner's information on the site is updated with his reward.
Special Events
  • These would probably be similar to Gym challenges, where players submit maps into the proper category and have them scored by Judges. The only additional necessity is the ability to establish start/end times for these events. Worst-case scenario, I suppose we run these off-site and update player data manually?
I think that about covers the primary functional stuff, but there are a few other things I wanted to get out in the open:
  • If we're restarting the entire contest, which we inevitably will be, I propose that we redo the Gyms as well because, let's face it, nobody was going to beat Evil_Bob's no-jump Gym. Instead of using the original Gym Leaders, I think it would be cool to create "fake" Gym Leaders. In other words, real mappers make the Gym maps, but they are attributed to fabricated Gym Leader personas. I'm thinking sprites, the whole nine yards. Then, we can make a little game out of guessing who the Leaders are, and there may be points involved for those clever enough to unmask them.
  • Rather than include super-tough rules within the Gyms, I suggest we create a difficulty curve by increasing the number of passing votes necessary to clear each Gym. For example, the number of passing votes for the eight Gyms could be something like 3-4-4-4-5-5-5-6, with the Champion match being decided by the best of seven votes or something. The number of failing votes necessary to lose each Gym challenge should be the same, in my opinion. Say, 2 or 3?
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Postby Radium » 2009.07.17 (20:07)

excuse my lack of knowledge, but what happened to the original Neditor Nation?

btw, this looks great.
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Postby Pheidippides » 2009.07.17 (21:31)

The original contest died because it became extremely tedious and I became extremely busy. That's why I had the idea about the site; it would remove a lot of the legwork that was slowing down the contest.
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Postby Pheidippides » 2009.07.17 (22:27)

We agreed that there should be something in store for those who had participated in the first contest, but we're definitely starting the badges and everything over. I'm still thinking about how to handle the switch, but rest assured, I haven't forgotten you. :)
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Postby Cheez » 2009.07.17 (23:05)

I'll join. :D
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Postby Pheidippides » 2009.07.17 (23:57)

Inspired, there will be Gym maps. If you look a little more closely at the first post, I said that we'd have real mappers make the Gym maps, but they'd be credited to someone who doesn't exist. Then, people would try to figure out who /actually/ made the Gym maps. Think of the Gym Leaders as anonymous. Still, there won't be demos in this version of the contest. I just don't see them working in the scheme of the site, should it be made. That's part of what makes the original and this version of the contest incompatible. This is, after all, a mapmaking contest.
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Postby otters~1 » 2009.07.18 (03:07)

Pheidippides wrote:Now, LV has agreed to do what he can to set up such a site, which would allow us to start a new, bigger, better, easier Neditor Nation contest. Gym Competition, for example.
Sweet! I'm still in, and can I hold my place as a judge, or are we starting completely from scratch?
Pheidippides wrote: ...because, let's face it, nobody was going to beat Evil_Bob's no-jump Gym...
That's what I originally thought about r_t's drone-path map.
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Postby Pheidippides » 2009.07.23 (19:22)

flag, we'll probably be repicking the Judges, but the original Judges would be more than welcome to reprise their roles for the new competition.
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Postby blackson » 2009.07.24 (19:53)

I'm game.

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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.07.24 (20:16)

Can we nominate people for Gym Leaders? Same with map judges, just so we can take availibility into better account.
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Postby Pheidippides » 2009.07.24 (20:21)

MattKestrel wrote:Can we nominate people for Gym Leaders? Same with map judges, just so we can take availibility into better account.
If we go ahead with the guess-the-Gym-Leader idea I posted earlier, I'd say no to nominations. Availability isn't a terrible issue with Gym Leaders either, as all they have to do is make one map. I'll figure out who the Gym Leaders will be when the time comes. It'll be a surprise! :3

And I don't think Judges should be nominated. That's the kind of job you really should volunteer for. As long as you know what differentiates a good map from a bad map, you're fine in my book. Some people will have different standards, but that's inevitable, even with nominated/elected Judges.
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Postby Yoshimo » 2009.07.27 (19:07)

I can start up around August 2nd but sign me up anyways.
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Postby ethel » 2009.08.06 (19:31)

I want to join. Also, I think we should at least be able to toss some ideas out there for judges. Can I be part of Team Rocket/Galactic so that when/if the site fails you can blame it on me?

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Postby Pheidippides » 2009.09.13 (17:45)

Hey, is there still interest in this? As in, if there were to be a Neditor Nation site, would you guys use it? I don't wanna trouble LV about it unless you guys are into it.
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Postby Seneschal » 2009.09.13 (17:51)

I would be interested in this! As a contestant, that is.

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Postby Tunco » 2009.09.13 (18:33)

I'm in as a contestant.
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Postby numa_ninja » 2009.09.13 (21:57)

I'll give it a twirl, again.
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Postby Erik-Player » 2009.09.13 (23:33)

I loved the contest, so it shouldn't be a problem getting back into it.
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Postby bufar » 2009.09.14 (01:37)

I'd love to, but with school I have very limited time. Count me in anyways.
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Postby Aphex » 2009.09.17 (15:56)

IN! :D
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Postby ethel » 2009.09.20 (17:14)

this was the BEST contest ever. I really hope we can pull off NN2

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Postby Pikman » 2009.09.20 (20:03)

I'd like to reprise my role as a judge, if you don't mind. ;)

I'm definitely for getting a site for this relaunch of NN. If there were indeed a site, I would hug it until its server exploded. (Not really. I would use it a lot though.)
For organizational purposes, you could also get a subforum here for other things, like maybe announcements. I'm interested in how scrimmages will be handled.

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Postby Pheidippides » 2009.09.20 (21:30)

LV and I are working on it. What's slowing things down at this point is my inability to describe what the site needs in terms that are easy to translate into code, and we're working on that too. I'll keep you guys posted if there are any breakthroughs.
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Postby 大見解 » 2009.10.06 (21:53)

hey people. back for some more neditor nationing.

(i agded the maps too)

Anyways, I'm assuming that the site will have a submissions thing so that it's easier to judge and stuff like that.

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