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Innovations: Who did what
Right, I'm starting this topic as I don't think it's been done before. Apologies if it has, but I don't think it's been done on this forum.
One thing I don't like about N (or NReality for that matter) is that there's no way of knowing who was the first person to come up with a route. This is where this topic comes in, to some extent.

I'll need a lot of help with this!

00-19
00-0 (hs) naem (Complete route change from top to bottom) (2006) (Not 100% sure)
07-4 (hs) ninja_matt (Collect all bottom gold in one jump) (2010)

20-39

40-59
48-2 (sr) amomentlikethis (Slight corner kick to exit switch) (2009)
57-0 (hs) stonedeagle (Thwump pushes) (2010)

60-79
60-2 (sr) kryx_orange (Thwump jump) (2009)
63-2 (sr) amomentlikethis (Fall from exit switch to exit (instead of wall push)) (2009)
79-4 (hs) naem (Modified drone path) (2006)
79-4 (hs/sr) meta_ing (Modified drone path) (2010)

80-99
80-3 (hs/sr) spect (Rocket through wall) (2006)
89-2 (sr) Meta_Ing (Jump between launch pads) (2009)

100-119

120-139
123-0 (sr) xaelar (Corner-push to exit) (2009)
126-1 (sr) - Arctic_Pony (Jump between mines) (2010)
126-1 (hs) - amomentlikethis (Jump between mines) (2010)

140-159

160-179

180-199

This topic has been brought up before, repeatedly. Using spect's old example of 80-3:

some guy, I forget who, suggested putting the rocket through the wall
krusch was the first to succeed
naem added the wallkick after the rocket trick
spect later took the 0th.

Afterthought is generally credited with the current route used on 80-4. kryX-orange is clearly responsible for 92-4. On the other hand, the route for 90-3 was so obvious you can't say anyone invented it.

scythe wrote:some guy, I forget who, suggested putting the rocket through the wall
krusch was the first to succeed
naem added the wallkick after the rocket trick
spect later took the 0th.

Hmm. I thought spect completed it first (perhaps in fbf?)
I'll replace his name with krusch's, then.

i don't know what exactly do you want to track, every route on all levels? because basically every 0th is using some innovs/routes somebody came with

but here's mine list:
01-0 (hs) collect first 4 gold at the beginning (executed only in fbf, i came pretty close)
12-3 (hs) complete route change
13-4 (hs) little route change
15-0 (hs) route change (collect up gold first)
17-2 (hs) right bottom part - order of taking switches
18-0 (hs) route change for the box in the middle of the map
18-4 (hs) i changed the route a little, then i think Amdi came with another little change
25-3 (hs) going the opposite way
27-2 (hs) cj at the beginning
29-3 (hs) TRO+me came with this, changing the route on left to beat the drone on the right
30-0 (hs) route change
36-4 (hs) complete route change
49-2 (hs) little route change resulting in beating the crap out drones
51-0 (hs) complete route change, starting with bmwj's at the bottom; everyone though about rcj->bmwj in the middle of the run, but i guess izzy or meta were the first ones to come with that really high rcj right up to the gold
51-3 (hs) beginning route change so it's only agd-1 (not 2), but i don't think that gold is worth it, though
52-0 (hs) complete route change
59-3 (hs) complete route change
66-2 (hs) route change at the end
66-4 (hs) xaelar first made a little innov, then i went for switch before any of upper row gold collected
68-4 (hs) order at the top + around rocket
70-2 (hs) complete route change
73-1 (hs) route change
77-0 (hs) route change with 2 cj's at the end
83-1 (hs) little innov in the middle
88-2 (hs) route change
93-4 (hs) complete route change

xaelar:
88-4 (hs) middle part (going OVER thwump) (also first legit agd i guess)

random:
17-3 (hs) dunno who first come with this, golfkid did it first taking 1st, i took 0th

mohamedraif:
PLEEEEENTY of them, what i can think of:
69-4 (hs) at the end, collect all gold in just 2 jumps
hmm i didn't think of many :D but there are just too many of them to list it (basically his every mdb uses something new)

TRO:
6-4 (hs) clip the corner after special angled lp (dunno how to phrase it)
50-2 (hs) route change at begin
43-1 (hs) 2 cj's going up, so far done only in mdb (though i came pretty close :( )

and there are hundreds of others

A few more from ep 0 to ep 5:
00-0 (hs) joe1284 (4-tile triple at right side)
00-1 (hs) Meta_Ing / TheRealOne (Quadruple bb jump, hasn't been done in realtime)
00-2 (hs) Road_Rage (Thwump proplusion at left bottom, hasn't been done realtime)
00-2 (sr) kryX-orange (Skipping 1 wj)
00-4 (hs) TheRealOne (AGD without landing on any of the doors, with 2 or 3 cjs, hasn't been done realtime)
01-0 (hs) vankusss (Take bottom gold first)
01-0 (hs) mohamedraif (Faster method of collecting top-right gold, hasn't been done realtime)
01-0 (sr) mohamedraif (Jumping around drone to take the exit key, hasn't been done realtime)
01-2 (hs) mohamedraif (Skipping one jump while doing AGD, hasn't been done realtime)
01-2 (hs) mohamedraif (Reverse 8-tile double + 3 wjs, hasn't been done realtime)
02-1 (hs) TheRealOne (It's possible to take the gold which the hs demos miss in 240 frames, hasn't been done realtime)
02-1 (hs) vankusss (5th chimney from the left ws instead of wj to take gold, hasn't been done realtime)
02-1 (hs) vankusss (Faster gold collecting at left-bottom by hitting the corner after wj)
02-3 (hs/sr) kryX-orange (bbcj)
03-0 (hs/sr) Dunno who first did this / thought of this (Get key through door)
03-0 (hs) mohamedraif (All top-right gold in one wj, hasn't been done realtime)
03-0 (hs) Fdan (Use bbs for ascent, hasn't been done realtime (Only faster if you aren't going to get all gold with 1 wj))
03-0 (hs) mohamedraif (8-tile ck at end, hasn't been done realtime)
03-1 (hs) TheRealOne (Slip through 1-way to AGD, this maybe impossible, no one has managed to do it realtime, fbf or mbd)
03-2 (hs) ska (Skip jump at bottom left and wj over)
03-2 (hs) ska (Faster method of taking top-left gold)
04-0 (hs) ska (Use a cj from the gap in the tile to speed up gold taking, hasn't been done)
04-1 (hs/sr) lookatthis (Use thwump to get the exit key without having to fall to the bottom)
04-1 (hs) mohamedraif (Faster method of gold collecting)
04-1 (hs) vankusss (rcj after getting gold, hasn't been done)
04-2 (sr) Kool-Aid (Wj up the right side)
04-4 (hs) mohamedraif (Squeeze out under drone after taking locked door key, hasn't been done realtime)
05-0 (hs) mohamedraif (Take all gold at top first, hasn't been done realtime)
05-0 (hs/sr) mohamedraif (Bmwj to take locked door key at bottom, hasn't been done realtime)
05-0 (hs) mohamedraif (Cj under mine instead of wjing over, hasn't been done realtime)
05-0 (hs/sr) TheRealOne (Dunno whether he was the first one to figure out this was possible) (Take locked door key without waiting for thwump, hasn't been done realtime)
05-0 (hs) mohamedraif (Take bottom right gold before going left, hasn't been done realtime)
05-3 (hs) kryX-orange (AGD -1, hasn't been done realtime)
05-4 (sr) Meta_Ing (Corner chimney at end)

mohamedraif wrote:ultra long list with only 5 episodes in it

that's what i tried to say, every route was build by somebody, so i guess you'll need to track all 1000 hs and sr metanet routes...

80-1 - Seifer was the first to beat the drones (2005 I supose).

also i wouldn't count 126-1 hs as your innov, because it's still Pony's, you just made a hs run with it (and he took it anyway)

Mine

SR:
146-3: Beating the first drone
126-2: Jumping on frame you hit the ground to skip laser.
197-4: Three corner jumps :D
92-2: Current 0th route
77-1: Current 0th route
60-2: I think this was my innov
153-0: Double jump to 8-tile jump to perpendicular jump.
33-1: btwj
35-1: Left side
58-1: Left side
73-1: bbbwjs
74-4: Bounceblock walljumps to top
190-3: Chimney to bbbwj


Those are all I remember :X

HS:
10-2: bbbwj (not much of an innov)
15-3: Grabbing the three gold in one wj.
28-4: Slipping under the rocket
38-2: CJ at the end
41-1: Double wj for a faster top section
44-4: New route for large gold clump
45-4: Faster mine-area route
60-2: Very minor innov, slowing down on first jump to make passing through thwumps easier
60-4: Beating left drone
62-1: Attracting drone, faster top-right area
79-1: Corner survival > gold
24-2: Left gold route
55-2: Bottom route double jumps
51-4: Top route
92-1: Double jump at beginning

I may have had something to do with 44-0 and 44-2

Optional: 4-1 sr: I was trying to do the thwump thing about 2 years ago, but then I stopped because I couldn't get it. Some days later, lat had 0th with it.

:X

so i guess this is going to die :P

vankusss wrote:so i guess this is going to die :P

Looks like it.

58-1 I am the first one who talk out the possibility of jump straightly from the slope to the right side of the center part. Later TOTI & Mr_Lim executed it and got the 0th.

88-2 Before I got 0th at this map, ppl used to collect all gold from left column and then goto the right column. I was the first one who jumped from the middle part of the left column to the right column. This is also my first metanet level 0th.

97-0 I'm the first one who talked about triple jump at the bottom center, and then demoed it in fbf mode.

Izzy wrote:

vankusss wrote:so i guess this is going to die :P

Looks like it.

Yes, because it's been a whole three days since I last updated the topic...

I'll update this some time during the week, at the moment I'm busy with uni work.

amomentlikethis wrote:Yes, because it's been a whole three days since I last updated the topic...

I'll update this some time during the week, at the moment I'm busy with uni work.

Well are you really going to track the activity on all 1000 levels then? THAT would be interesting. Btw you might want to put it in some excel / txt because the forums posts have limited length (i think around 65000 characters, but that might be absolutely wrong)

my 76-0 route change
my 12-0 route change, LAT's further tweaked improvement.

8-1, 13-1, 29-2 are also all my innovations that feature prominent route changes.