Nv1.4 highscore cleanup

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Postby EddyMataGallos » 2011.11.11 (17:56)

TheRealOne wrote:These aren't cheated sores, but they should be deleted. There is a bug in the submission process that on very rare occasions people end up with two duplicate scores being submitted. I can only think of two instances that I know of, but I am sure there are few more. Mammaletto on 02-3 and Kool-aid on 43-1. So if you guys could delete one of the scores that would be awesome.

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Btw are we telling them about cheaters (kryx L3X naem etc)?
Oh and yeah thanks again this is awesome =D, im really loving these boards :D
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Hi, im Eddy, a Spanish highscorer and current Grandmaster of N. I've been playing N since 2006, I beat it on the 8th September 2008, and NReality later too. Started intermittently highscoring Metanet in 2010, although serious highscoring started in late 2011.

Current Stats
• Completed N on 8th Sept. 2008
• Completed NReality on 24th Dec. 2010
0th Place on Metanet 0th Rankings with 443 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Top20 Rankings with 599 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Top10 Rankings with 599 Scores.
1st Place on Metanet Top5 Rankings with 595 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Level 0th Rankings with 361 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Episode 0th Rankings with 82 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Total Level Score: 72142.900 (20:02:22.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Episode Score: 35669.900 (09:54:29.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Point Rankings with 11669 Points.
0th Place in NReality 0th Rankings with 235 0ths.
0th Place for a grand total of 676 Total 0ths.
• Winner of some contests (BUST, 100, 9000, Bounty Hunters, SOAST) and of some rounds of some contests (ROPP, NErratic, Red Ball, NReality Team Arena)

{Info as of 01/Feb/2015} The info may be outdated.

Achievements
• 6th highscorer to reach 100 Metanet 0ths
• 4th highscorer to reach 200 Metanet 0ths
• 1st and only highscorer to reach 300 Metanet 0ths
• 1st and only highscorer to reach 400 Metanet 0ths
• 8th ever Grandmaster
• 2nd* highscorer to reach 599 top-20 Scores
• 1st highscorer to reach 599 top-10 Scores
• 10th highscorer to reach 70k Level Score
• 5th highscorer to reach 71k Level Score
• 2nd highscorer to reach 71.5k Level Score
• 1st highscorer to reach 72k Level Score

Relevant Dates
• First 0th: 31-3 on 04/Oct/10
• Reached 100 Metanet 0ths on 25/Feb/12
• Reached 200 Metanet 0ths on 30/Sep/12
• Reached 300 Metanet 0ths on 16/Mar/13
• Reached 400 Metanet 0ths on 04/Sept/14
• Reached highest amount of 0ths on Jan/2013
• Became the Grandmaster on 12/Apr/2012
• Reached 70k Level Score on 25/Dec/11
• Reached 71k Level Score on 13/Jan/11
• Reached 71.5k Level Score on 01/Aug/12
• Reached 72k Level Score on 04/Jul/14
• Completed N 1.4 on 08/Sept/08
• Completed NReality on 24/Dec/10
• Reached 100 NReality 0ths on Oct/2011
• Reached 200 NReality 0ths on Nov/2011
• Reached 100 Top-20 Scores on Aug/10
• Reached 200 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 300 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 400 Top-20 Scores on Dec/11
• Reached 500 Top-20 Scores on Jan/12
• Reached 599 Top-20 Scores on 04/Apr/12
• Reached 599 Top-10 Scores on 18/Nov/12

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Postby eru_bahagon » 2011.11.12 (00:21)

First of all, I'd like to thank M&R.

This new fresh leaderboard makes the game attractive again. It creates new 0th spots (almost every spot till ep3), and a ton of new top 20 spots. Which creates new challenges for people that aren't beast and simply want a bunch of top scores. Also, we can now think back to get 599 scores. It motivates me to play again.

Btw are we telling them about cheaters (kryx L3X naem etc)?
Oh and yeah thanks again this is awesome =D, im really loving these boards :D
Well, cheaters are hard to deal with. Most of them are only assumed cheaters (like naem, crappitrash, [insert 200 other names here]).

Others confessed having cheated a lot of level, but not all of their scores, like L3X. So it's hard to know which ones need to be deleted.
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Postby Sunset » 2011.11.12 (00:52)

eru_bahagon wrote:First of all, I'd like to thank M&R.

This new fresh leaderboard makes the game attractive again. It creates new 0th spots (almost every spot till ep3), and a ton of new top 20 spots. Which creates new challenges for people that aren't beast and simply want a bunch of top scores. Also, we can now think back to get 599 scores. It motivates me to play again.

Btw are we telling them about cheaters (kryx L3X naem etc)?
Oh and yeah thanks again this is awesome =D, im really loving these boards :D
Well, cheaters are hard to deal with. Most of them are only assumed cheaters (like naem, crappitrash, [insert 200 other names here]).

Others confessed having cheated a lot of level, but not all of their scores, like L3X. So it's hard to know which ones need to be deleted.
It really isn't my field, but I would've assumed you hiscorers to be ready for this happening.

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Postby jasdanu » 2011.11.12 (00:53)

@EddyMataGallos

kyrx confessed to cheating. Now his scores are legitimate tho. naem was considered a cheater although his speedruns now are possible for people.
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Postby ska » 2011.11.12 (01:11)

I think I'm going to donate some money to M+R for this and I encourage other highscorers to do the same... (Even if you're poor like me!)

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Postby TheRealOne » 2011.11.12 (02:59)

eru_bahagon wrote:First of all, I'd like to thank M&R.

This new fresh leaderboard makes the game attractive again. It creates new 0th spots (almost every spot till ep3), and a ton of new top 20 spots. Which creates new challenges for people that aren't beast and simply want a bunch of top scores. Also, we can now think back to get 599 scores. It motivates me to play again.

Btw are we telling them about cheaters (kryx L3X naem etc)?
Oh and yeah thanks again this is awesome =D, im really loving these boards :D
Well, cheaters are hard to deal with. Most of them are only assumed cheaters (like naem, crappitrash, [insert 200 other names here]).

Others confessed having cheated a lot of level, but not all of their scores, like L3X. So it's hard to know which ones need to be deleted.
Look the thing about cheated scores that are possible (ie. not .sol hacking) There is too many arguments to be had about who was legit and who was not. And then there are people like L3x who had legit runs and cheated ones. So it is not worth rehashing these endless arguments. We had them 4 year ago. Lets just be done with them. If the run's score matches it's demo data then leave it. So we should leave all of kryx's runs, all of crappi's, ... and all of the people that we assume to be cheaters. All of their runs can be beaten by legit players so we will leave it at that.

We already have the highscore rankings thread where I post the rankings with these cheaters ignored. So it really doesn't effect us at all. If anything it gives us something to strive to beat.
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Postby ska » 2011.11.13 (13:22)

Wow, there is no doubt in my mind that the cleaning of the boards has really given me something to go for; a renewed interest if you like...

I got 352.525 on episode 00 before improving it to 355.900 (3rd place); narrowly ascending over Hendor, LAT and TGM who were all 0.225 or less behind me, which is something I thought I would never even come close to last week... I also improved my 00-0 to 251.875 (9th), my 00-2 to 110.400 (5th) and managed to leapfrog the five players who all achieved scores of 110.2xx, and finally, my 00-3 to 117.975 (16th, so OK, that run could do with some cleaning ;)

It feels really good to have a highscore on ep 00, it's the first thing that most people will see when they first open the N Highscores and there's a fair probability that I won't be knocked off there for the rest of N's lifespan assuming we don't get inundated with hackers again...

My only problem is that I've found unsubmitted scores.. I'll have to recheck those so I can get a more accurate summation of my Top-20 situation...

Edit: (This means my Top-20 count is now higher than JF again!)

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Postby EddyMataGallos » 2011.11.13 (17:07)

jasdanu wrote:@EddyMataGallos

kyrx confessed to cheating. Now his scores are legitimate tho. naem was considered a cheater although his speedruns now are possible for people.
I dont understand what you're trying to explain me, I wasnt asking who the cheaters are, I already knew that, I was in fact asking if we would tell M&R about them, however im with TRO&eru now that i've thought it, there's no way to prove they were cheaters, even if they confessed, and its not worth to refresh those arguments. I dont actually know why did I even bothered asking that question, the boards are awesome as they are now =D I love how the activity has increased and a lot of people is playing more now =P
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Hi, im Eddy, a Spanish highscorer and current Grandmaster of N. I've been playing N since 2006, I beat it on the 8th September 2008, and NReality later too. Started intermittently highscoring Metanet in 2010, although serious highscoring started in late 2011.

Current Stats
• Completed N on 8th Sept. 2008
• Completed NReality on 24th Dec. 2010
0th Place on Metanet 0th Rankings with 443 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Top20 Rankings with 599 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Top10 Rankings with 599 Scores.
1st Place on Metanet Top5 Rankings with 595 Scores.
0th Place on Metanet Level 0th Rankings with 361 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Episode 0th Rankings with 82 0ths.
0th Place on Metanet Total Level Score: 72142.900 (20:02:22.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Episode Score: 35669.900 (09:54:29.900)
0th Place on Metanet Total Point Rankings with 11669 Points.
0th Place in NReality 0th Rankings with 235 0ths.
0th Place for a grand total of 676 Total 0ths.
• Winner of some contests (BUST, 100, 9000, Bounty Hunters, SOAST) and of some rounds of some contests (ROPP, NErratic, Red Ball, NReality Team Arena)

{Info as of 01/Feb/2015} The info may be outdated.

Achievements
• 6th highscorer to reach 100 Metanet 0ths
• 4th highscorer to reach 200 Metanet 0ths
• 1st and only highscorer to reach 300 Metanet 0ths
• 1st and only highscorer to reach 400 Metanet 0ths
• 8th ever Grandmaster
• 2nd* highscorer to reach 599 top-20 Scores
• 1st highscorer to reach 599 top-10 Scores
• 10th highscorer to reach 70k Level Score
• 5th highscorer to reach 71k Level Score
• 2nd highscorer to reach 71.5k Level Score
• 1st highscorer to reach 72k Level Score

Relevant Dates
• First 0th: 31-3 on 04/Oct/10
• Reached 100 Metanet 0ths on 25/Feb/12
• Reached 200 Metanet 0ths on 30/Sep/12
• Reached 300 Metanet 0ths on 16/Mar/13
• Reached 400 Metanet 0ths on 04/Sept/14
• Reached highest amount of 0ths on Jan/2013
• Became the Grandmaster on 12/Apr/2012
• Reached 70k Level Score on 25/Dec/11
• Reached 71k Level Score on 13/Jan/11
• Reached 71.5k Level Score on 01/Aug/12
• Reached 72k Level Score on 04/Jul/14
• Completed N 1.4 on 08/Sept/08
• Completed NReality on 24/Dec/10
• Reached 100 NReality 0ths on Oct/2011
• Reached 200 NReality 0ths on Nov/2011
• Reached 100 Top-20 Scores on Aug/10
• Reached 200 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 300 Top-20 Scores on Nov/11
• Reached 400 Top-20 Scores on Dec/11
• Reached 500 Top-20 Scores on Jan/12
• Reached 599 Top-20 Scores on 04/Apr/12
• Reached 599 Top-10 Scores on 18/Nov/12

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Postby jasdanu » 2011.11.13 (20:31)

@Eddy

ohh. lol i thought u meant kryx was still a cheater. to my understanding M&R already cleaned up his cheated runs awhile ago.
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Postby otters~1 » 2011.11.13 (21:27)

I really enjoyed watching all the less-than-perfect 00-0 runs right after M&R cleaned house. Sloppy compared to the utter perfection of the rest of the boards.
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Postby ska » 2011.11.14 (06:23)

jasdanu wrote:@Eddy

ohh. lol i thought u meant kryx was still a cheater. to my understanding M&R already cleaned up his cheated runs awhile ago.
that's incorrect.

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Postby eru_bahagon » 2011.11.14 (12:32)

All of their runs can be beaten by legit players so we will leave it at that.
I'm still waiting for 53-0 :D

(Now that xaelar got 80-2, it's the last really amazing to beat)
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Postby TheRealOne » 2011.11.14 (16:03)

eru_bahagon wrote:
All of their runs can be beaten by legit players so we will leave it at that.
I'm still waiting for 53-0 :D

(Now that xaelar got 80-2, it's the last really amazing to beat)
Suspected Cheated 0ths

00-0 252.575 naem
02-1 164.325 L3X
02-2 172.900 Goo
02-4 64.625 Goo
03-3 206.775 crappitrash
05-3 124.200 kryX-orange
06-1 107.100 Bonzai
09-3 100.300 kryX-orange
11-1 127.850 L3X
22-1 186.100 crappitrash
26-1 84.975 naem
26-4 213.100 L3X
27-4 161.050 ANGERFIST
32-1 114.575 kryX-orange
33-1 129.100 L3X
34-2 101.975 L3X
40-3 119.625 L3X
46-3 119.675 L3X
53-0 117.400 kryX-orange
64-2 91.850 crappitrash
64-3 107.375 L3X
67-1 190.875 kryX-orange
71-3 106.075 kryX-orange
73-3 110.300 L3X
80-1 140.825 kryX-orange
82-0 138.575 ANGERFIST
85-2 102.450 L3X
87-0 118.275 ANGERFIST
89-0 107.450 crappitrash
89-2 179.350 crappitrash
90-0 122.200 kryX-orange
90-1 105.375 Bonzai
90-3 150.225 kryX-orange
91-3 220.475 L3X

These are the 0ths that we are calling cheated. I am positive that all of these can be beaten or tied except for 2-4 and 90-3 because of the chimneying and lack of the possibility of another route and 26-1 because naem's run is maxed. Raif couldn't even beat it. Some of the rest may never be taken, but they all certainly could be.

@53-0 I have come within pixels of beating the drone, so I am sure it is possible real time. I bet kool could do it.
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Postby darkshadow » 2011.11.14 (21:33)

I just wanted to say two things:

First: A giant thank you to M&R. I never thought I'd see the day. Still enjoying the glow of the new boards.

Second: My two cents on cheated runs.

I don't think I'm the only one who enjoys watching some of the cheated runs. They give something to aspire and a sense of what's possible (and help push us towards the true maximums). I think it would be a big loss to have them permenently gone.

While there was no value at all to the hacked runs the cheated ones do have some purpose at least and don't fill up the levels the way hackers did. We all know who the cheaters/suspected cheaters are and we always have the n-reality boards for the absolutely cheater free ones.

On the topic of the levels filling up though maybe we should consider removing some of the kryx_is_a_cheater, f***ing[blank], and van_come_to_irc (seriously guys knock it off with these) runs (and the others of this kind).

Edit: It's been a while since I've been around (I'm kinda behind the times) and now after seeing the stuff that Raif has produced I'm somewhat inclined to agree. The above is basically my opinion as it has existed for years. If we start having superior FbFs to the existing cheated runs they really have no purpose for existence anymore (besides perhaps as history). Maybe it is time for a purge.
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Postby DW40 » 2011.11.14 (22:11)

darkshadow wrote:I just wanted to say two things:

First: A giant thank you to M&R. I never thought I'd see the day. Still enjoying the glow of the new boards.

Second: My two cents on cheated runs.

I don't think I'm the only one who enjoys watching some of the cheated runs. They give something to aspire and a sense of what's possible (and help push us towards the true maximums). I think it would be a big loss to have them permenently gone.

While there was no value at all to the hacked runs the cheated ones do have some purpose at least and don't fill up the levels the way hackers did. We all know who the cheaters/suspected cheaters are and we always have the n-reality boards for the absolutely cheater free ones.

On the topic of the levels filling up though maybe we should consider removing some of the kryx_is_a_cheater, f***ing[blank], and van_come_to_irc (seriously guys knock it off with these) runs (and the others of this kind).
Raif, for example, has some incredible MDB'd runs but he doesn't sully the leaderboards with them. Get them out.

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Postby ToeFaceKiller » 2011.11.15 (05:38)

So many good reads on the old forum.

Kryx was a cheater, but he's a cool guy ;)
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... t&p=199137
Kryx is ANGERFIST and he cheated with him as well
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... =18192&hl=

Crappitrash cheated 90-3 and is all the f******[insert name here] runs. He's admitted to cheating other runs too, but most he claims are legit. Everything involving Crappi is suspicious and psychotic.
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... ntry189097
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... t&p=192631
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... ntry191652

L3X cheated most of his runs
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... 20336&st=0

naem never admitted to cheating, but that has always been a controversial topic.
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... c=7648&hl=
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... c=7639&hl=

Realistically there are probably around 5-6 legit runs on 90-3, I vote for the f******[insert name here] runs to be removed since they are all Crappitrash.

My take on the matter - if you delete one cheated run then you have to delete them all, and that is just an impossible task. I'm happy with the hacked scores gone, the top-20 rankings can finally be calculated and competed upon once again. Thank you M&R!
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Postby ska » 2011.11.15 (15:40)

I've suddenly become addicted to N again... particularly with episode highscoring and picking up some incidentals along the way. Am I the only one who opens a separate N window to look at the level 0th or possibly some lower ranked runs to see how the non-insane route can be done? Case in point: 89-3. My aim is to have an episode Top-20 on every episode by the end of the year! Do you guys think I can pull it off? How many players currently have this done at the moment?

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Postby eru_bahagon » 2011.11.15 (16:50)

ska wrote:I've suddenly become addicted to N again... particularly with episode highscoring and picking up some incidentals along the way. Am I the only one who opens a separate N window to look at the level 0th or possibly some lower ranked runs to see how the non-insane route can be done? Case in point: 89-3. My aim is to have an episode Top-20 on every episode by the end of the year! Do you guys think I can pull it off? How many players currently have this done at the moment?
About episode (I think I know the subject), you are definitely not the only one who look for easier route. It's normal. But usually you better adapt with your preference/innovation. That's what I do when I'm playing episode.
About easy run, you should watch old run, like zapkt's one (or whoever from that time). Because N didn't require much perfection at that time, like almost no cjs.

About 89-3, you can forget about beating the drone (and some lower gold, left part is easy, then just be patient like Analu), I mean, I have a shitty run (90 sec) and stil a 40 sec margin with the last top-20 ep score. (30 sec if you want a safe top 15)

I don't know how many players got all ep, I do, like Lim and lat I think. Hendor at some point (I'll say still now but not sure, might have lost some). Probably other highscorers from the past at some point^^ (like zapkt). Xaelar never had, basically he tried until ep27 and then some episode randomly. Most recent highscorers don't care about it (like total game score and stuff).

I think you can do it, even very quickly, most of them are easy. You definitely got the skills.
Let me know if you struggle on a particular level/ep :)


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Postby golf » 2011.11.15 (17:41)

ska, I also have a second window open when I play an episode so that I can look at routes for any level after the first one. I am also going for 100 ep highscores, but I doubt I'll have time to get them all before the end of the year. I just got my 75th last night with 50, although I'm a little disappointed that I wasn't able to get any higher. Eru, I think you should try for ep 00 now that competition is possible. I was completely surprised at how high I was able to climb, so I think that you should be able to do at least as good if not better.
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Postby TheRealOne » 2011.11.15 (19:30)

darkshadow wrote:I just wanted to say two things:

First: A giant thank you to M&R. I never thought I'd see the day. Still enjoying the glow of the new boards.

Second: My two cents on cheated runs.

I don't think I'm the only one who enjoys watching some of the cheated runs. They give something to aspire and a sense of what's possible (and help push us towards the true maximums). I think it would be a big loss to have them permenently gone.

While there was no value at all to the hacked runs the cheated ones do have some purpose at least and don't fill up the levels the way hackers did. We all know who the cheaters/suspected cheaters are and we always have the n-reality boards for the absolutely cheater free ones.

On the topic of the levels filling up though maybe we should consider removing some of the kryx_is_a_cheater, f***ing[blank], and van_come_to_irc (seriously guys knock it off with these) runs (and the others of this kind).

Edit: It's been a while since I've been around (I'm kinda behind the times) and now after seeing the stuff that Raif has produced I'm somewhat inclined to agree. The above is basically my opinion as it has existed for years. If we start having superior FbFs to the existing cheated runs they really have no purpose for existence anymore (besides perhaps as history). Maybe it is time for a purge.
I am all for getting rid of the "f***ing[blank]" because A) they are all cheated B) they are all by the same person and C) They are just plain offensive. So if by some ridiculous circumstance they are all from different players and they are legit (0% chance) We can justify removing them because they are offensive and they clog up the boards. I would the same goes for kryx_is_a_cheater, and kryX-Orange These are all cheated runs made by the same players who were raging on 90-3 and 46-3 after all of the cheating arguments that took place back in the day on the old forums.

As for all of the other cheated scores. Beyond what I said about them being inspiration for new runs. Some of these player's runs are legit. Most are not. It is impossible to actually know which are legit and which are not. We can do all of the analysis of the demos we want. Looking for jnj's and such, but the skill level of players today have shown that all of this is possible. Hell Kool-aid got a perfect run on 121027. I know it sounds like I am trying to defend these runs what we actually do know for sure are cheated, but it just seems like so much to rehash and there is no way we can know for sure what we should delete. Even if M&R are willing to delete runs where the score matches the demo data.
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Postby vankusss » 2011.11.15 (20:56)

@darkshadow - van_come_to_irc is me, and when i took the 0ths with it there wasn't a spot taken with my regular account (except 90-0), now it might be different and i'm sorry for that - if m&r feel they should be removed, they have my blessing (the runs are on nreality server so who cares)
@TRO - i can't see a way how a human can beat 53-0, just watch raif's mdb, he's waiting like max 5 frames before passing the drone...
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Postby ska » 2011.11.16 (03:54)

vankusss wrote:@darkshadow - van_come_to_irc is me, and when i took the 0ths with it there wasn't a spot taken with my regular account (except 90-0), now it might be different and i'm sorry for that - if m&r feel they should be removed, they have my blessing (the runs are on nreality server so who cares)
@TRO - i can't see a way how a human can beat 53-0, just watch raif's mdb, he's waiting like max 5 frames before passing the drone...
I agree. In my opinion, the drone would have to be at least a full tile space behind in order for a legitimate run to be even feasible...

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Postby jasdanu » 2011.11.16 (19:29)

I agree with Van on 53-0. i just cant see how it's possible to even double-shift that fast (i cant even double-shit. i only use the up key on my laptop).

@ska - weren't his runs cleaned up. I honestly thought they were. I was probably reading something else.
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Postby Kool » 2011.11.17 (03:04)

I single-shifted 121027, js'ing. so yea I have full faith that 53-0 is possible.

never say never guys! lol

oh and van, 5 frames?? more than enough time maybe even a luxury ;)
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Postby jasdanu » 2011.11.17 (04:39)

@Kool - r serious. Holy shit. i didnt think that was possible. time to make my hand tap faster. thts crazy man. Nice run btw. love all your runs.
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