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Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.26 (21:20)
by Pheidippides
'Sup, fools. Anyone remember Sketch's Ten Minute Map Ladder Tournament? To educate the unenlightened (and save everyone's eyes from having to read the atrocity that Forumer threads have become), here is an excerpt from Sketch's original post:
Sketch wrote:Welcome one and all to the "Ten Minute Map Ladder Tournament!"

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Style: The tournament will function as an elimination ladder round tournament, the matches will be generated by a random number generator found here. I will post a screen shot of the numbers at the end. The method is simple, depending on how many people sign up thats how many numbers will go in the generator say thirty five. Then the first person to sign will take number one. All the numbers will go down in a collumn and the adjacent numbers will be the first matches and we will work our way up from there.

Rules: This will work as a ten minute map challenge, you will each have ten minutes to make a map and then stop. The map makers will meet up on IRC or another messaging program and each other will time the maps, taking a total of twenty minutes. The map makers will inform me when there map is done.

Judging: This is actually very simple, the first round maps will be judged by three random members using our trusty number generator here to see who they are, and after that the eliminated users from the tournament will judge the rest of the maps, its easy all you need is whose map do you like better!

IRC: Want to join but you don't know how to go to IRC, simple. Go to this thread for more info.

Cheating: This will work on an honor system, if you think your opponent might cheat by using a premade map alert me and arrangements will be made.
Pretty cool idea, right? I thought so, back in the day, and I've always wanted to bring it back. Seeing as I'm not so good at Ten Minute Maps, I'd also be a good candidate to host it. So host it I shall, if there is interest. Hear me out.

First, a Potential Rule Patch: An honor code is all well and good, but an easy way to severely hinder cheaters and add a little extra challenge to the competition would be to specify a rule the mappers must follow. I'm thinking Neditor-Nation-esque rules here -- say, an enemy restriction, or even something as simple as specifying where you have to place the exit. The rule would be distributed on IRC right at the beginning of the round, so it's a surprise. This rule patch requires a little more coordination on IRC than the last tournament, as a judge has to be present to give out the rule and a bunch of people have to be on IRC at once, so it may not work. We can talk about it.

Now, if this really gets off the ground, I have a few other ideas:

TMMLT Bracketology: Simple enough. Anyone not in the tourney fills out a bracket predicting the winners. The best bracket wins.

TMMLT Bracket Attack: A highscoring contest using the maps produced for the tournament. Competitors have to highscore the maps from each round, and will earn points based on what place they finish on each map. Maps in the later rounds are worth more points. We could even eliminate players after each round, as in the mapping tournament, so that by the time we reach the semifinal, for example, there are four mappers and four highscorers still in it.

The tentative start to this contest would be the end of my fall semester, which is in mid-December. It would run on a weekly basis until it is finished, which depends on the size of the tournament pool, but it shouldn't run later than the end of January.

We'll also need a few judges who are willing to forego the tournament (and Bracketology, to avoid a conflict of interest) and determine the winners of each round.

Discuss.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.26 (21:54)
by trance
This sounds really cool. I'm willing to offer my services as a judge. :)

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.26 (22:15)
by vankusss
I suck at mapping.
That being said, I'm in.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (00:20)
by  yahoozy
I'll totally do this.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (01:11)
by otters~1
I'm in to map, judge or anything in between.

And so is gloomp.


EDIT: I really want this to take off, so that we can have one last great community-wide contest in the spirit of mapdraft, the old TMMLT, etc. So a global on this thread would be great, and maybe an announcement on NUMA if that seems to be a good idea.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (01:52)
by Harveyy
Highscoring sounds fun though I'm really too terribler a mapmaker to compete in the making. This is a great concept for a contest though.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (02:17)
by PALEMOON
Yep, i will participate for sure. *:D

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (02:35)
by unoriginal name
yeah flag was right

WARNING: i am pretty unreliable to reach any way other than irc (thank you flag twice for putting this thread in #n's topic) but i'll try to remember to check this topic

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (03:13)
by Erik-Player
A revival of worth. I'm in.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (06:35)
by ska
I'm in as a mapper and highscorer.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (16:29)
by Scrivener
I'm in for mapping. I might have some college deadlines in december, but 10MM are perfect for relieving stress and not wasting too much time! Cool contest.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (17:09)
by zoasBE
Yeah cool!! Sure I'm in!

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (17:58)
by mintnut
Can I say a tentative yes to this? Not sure I can guarantee I'll be around but if I am I quite like the idea of this.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (18:28)
by Sunset
I'm for in this.

As a side note my internet sucks so badly I had to reload and log in 20+ times just to get things straight what the hell ;_;

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (19:59)
by thereisaspoon
Im in too!

for mapping and the bracket prediction.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.27 (22:10)
by Pheidippides
To clarify, this isn't a sign-up thread. It would be silly to have sign-ups now for a contest that's not starting for another 4 to 6 weeks. Sign-ups will probably roll out in early December, so that by the time my finals are over we can get the early rounds underway. I'm really glad you guys are up for it, though.

Thanks also to the guys who have thrown their hats into the ring to judge. We'll settle those positions as the contest gets closer.

Also, after some thought, I'm leaning towards skipping on the rule patch. I feel like it might be really difficult to implement effectively, and that it might cause more confusion than anything else. If we can agree to an honor code, then the contest would probably run a lot smoother.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.28 (06:14)
by TommyWiseau24
What I appreciate most about this is the dedication that those involved will have. I hope this is pulled off too, it would be nice for the community to have at least one final notable event.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.28 (11:39)
by Ors
This is good idea. I made this 10map. :

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.28 (11:55)
by ChrisE
Yessir. I wish to map.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.28 (14:20)
by llabesab
I'm in.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.29 (12:45)
by Seneschal
I would be interested in this.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.30 (18:06)
by Rose
I'm probably the slowest mapper this side of Clifty, but fuck it, I'm in.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.30 (18:35)
by 大見解
remember me?

I'm in. just like, PM me when this actually starts so i don't forget

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.30 (21:41)
by ska
Rose wrote:I'm probably the slowest mapper this side of Clifty, but fuck it, I'm in.
hah! Also, a pm would be nice, as I may forget.

Re: Return of the TMMLT (General Interest Thread)

Posted: 2012.10.30 (22:36)
by Pheidippides
Regarding PMs: I could also make a post in the Facebook group when things get going. Would that suffice?