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For those of you who have been living under a rock, the Safari 4 beta came out a little while ago and is available for both Mac and PC on the Apple website.

New features include a display wall, if you will, of your top sites, a polished-up GUI, and a new tabs-at-the-VERY-top layout. Safari 4 also scores 100/100 on the Acid3 test on default settings, and is the first browser to support CSS animation, including claimed full compatibility with HTML 5 media support, as well as using the new Nitro Javascript engine.

Besides that, it loads websites in a snap, guzzles few resources, and contains a new page inspector akin to Firebug. Frankly, I'm impressed.

My first impression is "OH GOD THEY JUST FARTED CHROME!", but as I've heard many times, Safari 4 is now the fastest browser on earth, being 42 times faster than IE7 and (If I remember well) 8 times faster than IE8.

edit: it already crashed two times. I know, it's beta, but god, the two times I used it, it crashed Oo

I thought /you/ were living under a rock for the last few days, incluye.

Jeez, 42 times faster than IE7. *downloads*

incluye wrote:and contains a new page inspector akin to Firebug. Frankly, I'm impressed.

Safari has had that since version 2, you just had to check the 'Enable developer tools' checkbox (or something of the like) in Safari's preferences (although, I have been using this version of the developer tools in the webkit nightlies for a couple months now, and have to say it is way sexier then what Safari 3 had)

Wow. If all that remains true and it makes it past the beta phase, hell, I'll use Safari.

Please please please. Ad-block. Nooooowwwwwww.

Once it's out of beta and gets some support for extensions, I'm in it.

Safari has had that since version 2, you just had to check the 'Enable developer tools' checkbox (or something of the like) in Safari's preferences (although, I have been using this version of the developer tools in the webkit nightlies for a couple months now, and have to say it is way sexier then what Safari 3 had)

Plz see "akin to Firebug."

Ooh, I'm impressed, Suki. Yeah, and extensions should be nice...honestly, Firefox is the only browser with real extension support right now, and that's already so well-established I don't know if other browsers are going to try and muscle in on the market.

It runs really slow for me for some reason. I guess I'll just stick with FireFox.

behappyy wrote:It runs really slow for me for some reason. I guess I'll just stick with FireFox.

That makes the two of us.

But Safari 4.. I'd use it at school, since running Firefox on my school's Mac's somehow slows the process down.

Windows users?

Running it now on Vista 32.

First impressions:

I like the ability to edit the top sites page, and it runs quite quickly. It's certainly not as smooth as Chrome, though. Not being able to middle mouse click to close tabs is annoying. The tabs are too wide, makes browsing feel a little clunky.

I'll have a proper browse with it and feedback some more later.

incluye wrote:Plz see "akin to Firebug."

Plz see "Safari has had that since version 2"

Wow... I heard about this... I really gotta get his. but my mac is rarely connected to the internet.

Tsukatu wrote:Wow. If all that remains true and it makes it past the beta phase, hell, I'll use Safari.

http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/03 ... avascript/
Apparently it's only going to get faster, and it's available for Linux in the form of Arora. Arora, incidentally, is also available for windows.

I've had Safari for two years, and after multiple uninstalls and reinstalls, it has never worked for me. Not even a browser window comes up. I just get the same stupid error message.

coverflow bookmarks? And I thought that speed dial on opera was a waste of time :|

I got it... it's good...
on mac at least.

seriously, what's with all the chromeyness all over the place?

I downloaded this, impressed by how Chrome-y this sounded, and I could always use another Chrome.

I'm running Vista32, on a decent machine. This browser is slow as the day is long on this PC, not in opening pages, but just in things like opening new windows and tabs. I didn't notice a different in actual speed in opening pages from Chrome, although I can take your word for it.

However, in twenty four hours of use, it crashed four times. :/ Not impressed. I'll try again when it's out of Beta.

Well, it is a Mac-native application...

Gforce wrote:I've had Safari for two years, and after multiple uninstalls and reinstalls, it has never worked for me. Not even a browser window comes up. I just get the same stupid error message.

incluye wrote:Well, it is a Mac-native application...

I know, right?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-101996 ... 47-1_3-0-5

Ahahaha! Safari users are pompous asses, says I.

SlappyMcGee wrote:http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-101996 ... 47-1_3-0-5

Ahahaha! Safari users are pompous asses, says I.

What does it mean that I knew exactly what story that was before I clicked the link?

In the end, though, that's about as good a security metric as this one, which simply counts disclosed vulnerabilities. It's hardly news that Linux, OS X, and Solaris, which are all mostly open source, have more vulnerability disclosures than the closed-source Windows and AIX -- they have more auditors.

EDIT: Ran across this:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2941

That is a good security metric, and it is a big hit against Apple.

Tsukatu wrote:

Gforce wrote:I've had Safari for two years, and after multiple uninstalls and reinstalls, it has never worked for me. Not even a browser window comes up. I just get the same stupid error message.

incluye wrote:Well, it is a Mac-native application...

I know, right?

Chrome isn't even developed for OS X yet...

incluye wrote:

Tsukatu wrote:

Gforce wrote:I've had Safari for two years, and after multiple uninstalls and reinstalls, it has never worked for me. Not even a browser window comes up. I just get the same stupid error message.

incluye wrote:Well, it is a Mac-native application...

I know, right?

Chrome isn't even developed for OS X yet...

You mean development isn't finished. It's being developed on at the moment.