N v2.0 Public Beta

[runningninja]

Not sure if this was mentioned already, but none of the buttons work in the pause menu.

[raigan]

The story of why we're making 2.0 will eventually be explained on our blog, maybe; we are definitely aware that we should also be making new things, and we plan on doing so, however we also felt bad for never making v1.5, and we wanted to modernize N (i.e the original is very rough around the edges in many ways).

We would also prefer to be working on new stuff, however for several reasons that's not happening right now... mostly because none of our in-development projects have been as fun to play as N.

We're pretty sure we have at least one other good idea in us, but until we have something that we like playing as much as N, we're not going to release it.

[Izzy]

The story of why we're making 2.0 will eventually be explained on our blog, maybe; we are definitely aware that we should also be making new things, and we plan on doing so, however we also felt bad for never making v1.5, and we wanted to modernize N (i.e the original is very rough around the edges in many ways).

robotology confirmed

[aids]

The story of why we're making 2.0 will eventually be explained on our blog, maybe; we are definitely aware that we should also be making new things, and we plan on doing so, however we also felt bad for never making v1.5, and we wanted to modernize N (i.e the original is very rough around the edges in many ways).

robotology confirmed

This would be the best way to break the news.

[alkalinity]

The story of why we're making 2.0 will eventually be explained on our blog, maybe; we are definitely aware that we should also be making new things, and we plan on doing so, however we also felt bad for never making v1.5, and we wanted to modernize N (i.e the original is very rough around the edges in many ways).

We would also prefer to be working on new stuff, however for several reasons that's not happening right now... mostly because none of our in-development projects have been as fun to play as N.

We're pretty sure we have at least one other good idea in us, but until we have something that we like playing as much as N, we're not going to release it.

Hmm the only thing to me that was rough around the edges was the stutter when decellerating on inclines, but that became a feature rather than a bug. Other than that, it was smooth around the edges. N"2.0" suggests an actual novel game, perhaps new drone types at the very least. Just removing the stutter, and introducing a questionable obsession with dancing zapdrone levels doesn't really deserve a "2.0" tag.

Anyway...

Maybe you are going to have accept that you'll have to release that "difficult 2nd game", which possibly will not be as good as N. Dithering and blogging about mysterious set-backs for eight years isn't going to teach you anything, nor earn you much kudos. Feel the fear of releasing a game which isn't as good as N, and do it anyway.

Best wishes.

[ska]

Wow. alkalinity, you sound like a straight up asshole. Theses guys owe you nothing yet you whine and moan because they're deciding to keep their word about releasing a long-awaited sequel; striving to include all the enhancements that were missing from 1.4, and even accepted many of the fan's wishes, such as smoother frame-rate, glitch fixes, a better NED, co-op multiplayer, sophisticated custom userlevels integration, including the ones that a few others and myself hand-picked, arcade mode etc. If you were the slightest bit aware, you'd realise that 2.0 has a lot to offer.

/rant over.

[raigan]

He does have a point though; we're earnestly trying to finish N for real, get it completely out of our system, let go, and then properly move on.

[ska]

Well, I agree with M + R in that it would be a bit misleading to call it 1.5 when the physics engine was rebuilt from scratch. They've made no secret of the resoning behind the 2.0 'tag. That's all I'm saying.

[alkalinity]

Wow. alkalinity, you sound like a straight up asshole.

That's OK, I'm aware I sound like an asshole, that's one way of interpreting me. I'm aware M & R owe me nothing, I was merely suggesting that they owe themselves something better than this unseemly fiddling with their aged debut. I said it because they can do so much better than this - and I was putting forward the idea - that I am sure is not novel to M & R - that they might have to get worse to get better. I don't like seeing promising people stagnate, and N2.0 strikes me as just that.

If that grates a bit, or makes me an asshole: alright.

I think this needs to now be a subject in school: how you read a post on a forum can be a reflection of your own state of mind. Perhaps.

Best wishes.

[Universezero]

now who's the asshole ska

[The Black Lion]

Okay, i've just finished the 10 non-userlevel columns and i've got some very boring bugs:

- Each time i finished a column, the last episode was shown like i hadn't beat it (and so was arcade/new-colour unaccessible). I had to disconnect of my account and close my browser (google chrome), after some tries it finaly shows it as beaten. It happens to me with every last episode of each column.

- Also each time i got new colour/arcade, finished a column, the first episode 00 is shown like i hadn't beat it, and i had to beat it again each time (to got red colour/ar1), though all the other episode of the column were deblocked and beaten.

In n1.4, i used to use the underclock mode, i found it really fun and for some levels even easier than FBF so I'm really hopping it will be in the final release.
Anyways I must confes now that I've played a lot the beta 2.0 I just can't play 1.4 again, it feels so laggy and the physics is nothing like 2.0 so well job! ;)

[EddyMataGallos]

Okay, i've just finished the 10 non-userlevel columns and i've got some very boring bugs:

- Each time i finished a column, the last episode was shown like i hadn't beat it (and so was arcade/new-colour unaccessible). I had to disconnect of my account and close my browser (google chrome), after some tries it finaly shows it as beaten. It happens to me with every last episode of each column.

- Also each time i got new colour/arcade, finished a column, the first episode 00 is shown like i hadn't beat it, and i had to beat it again each time (to got red colour/ar1), though all the other episode of the column were deblocked and beaten.

In n1.4, i used to use the underclock mode, i found it really fun and for some levels even easier than FBF so I'm really hopping it will be in the final release.
Anyways I must confes now that I've played a lot the beta 2.0 I just can't play 1.4 again, it feels so laggy and the physics is nothing like 2.0 so well job! ;)

Since underclock was made by Unreality and not by Metanet I doubt it will be implemented. Itsnot in 1.4, maybe they include it though.

[The Black Lion]

wouuups, I had totally forgoten about that.
Anyways I've now beat 3 times the last episode (99) and it still don't want me to show it as beaten wich is quite irratating because I can't play the userlevels columns...

[Traveleravi]

I was wondering with the new NED will the data for old maps work?

Also, how much of the one-way glitch are you removing. can you still be pushed through by tiles/bb etc?

Also is the two player only on one computer. ie two sets of controls on the same keyboard? Or is it online with anyone else who has an account?

[mercuri]

black lion and trav: these questions have already been answered.

2 players is only on local, the glitches let's wait but as of now a lot of them are removed.
about black lion: you can skip everything, read the blog post

dang

[darkshadow]

I can't believe what they did to 70-0. I'll post actual impressions later.

[vankusss]

At the moment, ska, alkalinity has a really solid point. If 2.0 ever comes in a final version, I highly doubt it will be worth the time M&R had put into it (if it remains free).
This is from someone who loves N (I hope I don't need to prove that).

[999_Springs]

Well people have been anticipating the next version of N ever since v1.4 was released, so M&R feel they need to release some product to satisfy everybody's anticipations. And since they've gone this far it's worth finalising everything and getting it done for the sake of it. Even if it isn't worth the time/effort/whatever that they put into it, there's no real point debating this if nothing much can be done except just to accept it and move on.

except obviously the v2 beta prizes i mean i'm expecting SOMETHING AMAZING for the 14 month wait to be worth it else pitchforks and torches

[Leonidas]

OMG. I just read some above comments. The glitches on one-ways are being removed?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Its the end times. Everyone has seriously been dreading the though of M&R even considering removing glitches. I mean, there is practically a whole genre of n-maps that are glitch-based...

[Izzy]

OMG. I just read some above comments. The glitches on one-ways are being removed?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

You're a few years late to the party.

[squibbles]

Wow, ok.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but some kind of Survival map compatibility? A timer object that is transparent and has no collision that you can set once placed on the map, perhaps? If it is on the map, Gold timer becomes survival timer?

EDIT: Oh, also that map of mine in your list is a collab with Bio. Huge thanks for the inclusion.

EDIT2: OH GOD MY SIG

[Rule]

Whenever I use the "resume game" option, the timer doesn't reset after death and gold doesn't extend the timer.

I also can't finish the last episode of any column, no matter what I do. I want my flavours! :(

For the rest, this looks and plays amazing. Truly a job well done!

EDIT: There are a few others things like difficulty etc. but those have already been mentioned and explained/fixed.

[Pheidippides]

N v2.0 is out, and it's not recording my highscores. Seems like it's stuck in practice mode. Help?

[EddyMataGallos]

Hey Pheidi are you playing through the "play game" mode or through the "levels" mode? Because it won't save anything if you play through the first one, thats only made to complete the game. In order to get your scores saved, you have to play via the "levels" tab, playing levels by level (no episode scores).

If thats not the problem then I would suggest it has something to do with Adobe Flash not letting N saving (N 1.4 used to ask you the first time you open it).
That would be solved by doing this:
Right click on N --> Configuration --> Click on the middle tab (Local storage) --> Then configure it, activate it or whatever.
If not, then click on Global Configuration --> First tab (Storage) --> Configure that.

[wakeup]

What happened to replies? I cannot reply my last played game? Is it intentional or a bug?