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I know that I know nothing. But yet, by admitting this, I know something, so I cannot know nothing. Help me resolve this paradox I thought of (even though I'm sure it's been discovered by other people before...) tonight at dinner.

golfkid wrote:I know that I know nothing.

I'd say that this premise is false.

What prompted you to say this?

agreed with skypanda; you know things. everyone knows things.

maestro wrote:Ah, Socrates.

aww you beat me to it.

btw, I'm probably one of the few that understands what your sig says. ;D

everyone noes something, no matter what it is, like animals no how to walk or run or talk or w/e the list goes on and on of things almost every living animal knows
also your thing about nowing nothing is nowing something, thats like saying a room is empty even tho theres air thers no way to be nothing just like theres no way to not no anything

rambo5252 wrote: Everyone knows something, no matter what it is, like animals know how to walk or run or talk or whatever, the list of things almost every living animal knows goes on and on
Also, your thing about knowing nothing is knowing something, that's like saying a room is empty even though there's air, there's no way to be nothing just like ther's no way to not know anything.

Fixed, because your original post made me cringe.

Also, have you heard of a vacuum? (not what you use to clean your carpet), that is /literally/ nothing

ok grammar ppolice there is no way to get a vacuum to literly remove everything from it, i mean honeslty think about it

rambo5252 wrote:Okay grammar police, there is no way to get a vacuum to literally remove everything from it, I mean honestly, think about it.

Fixed, cause that made me cringe as well.
And smartalco is right. I thought about it alright.
Vacuums literally empties matter.
How about a room of air; if all the air inside the room is sucked out and no air can go in, please, tell me what is left in the room.

TribulatioN wrote:

rambo5252 wrote:Okay grammar police, there is no way to get a vacuum to literally remove everything from it, I mean honestly, think about it.

Fixed, cause that made me cringe as well.
And smartalco is right. I thought about it alright.
Vacuums literally empties matter.
How about a room of air; if all the air inside the room is sucked out and no air can go in, please, tell me what is left in the room.

but then the wals of the room would coolapse under the vacum i mean theres no possible way to have nothing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum

Try reading this.

rambo5252 wrote:But then the walls of the room would collapse under the vacuum, I mean there's no possible way to have nothing.

a) Fixed
b) Maybe if your house is made out of paper.

then you have paper retard

rambo5252 wrote:Then you have paper.

Fixed and profanity removed, cause I don't like profanity.

That made no sense, if you read his post, you'd realise that your post doesn't isn't even associated with that, other than the use of the word paper.

oh thought he ment if your house was paper then made a vacum sorry

but look (this is straight from wiki)

no volume of space can ever be perfectly empty.

Yeah I noticed that.
But then what about space?
Beyond atmospheres, what exactly is in space?
Cause there is definitely no air. There's no matter for that matter.

And if I'm wrong, then someone correct me please.

space must contain something otherwise the vacums force would crush planets and space ships and stuff, plus its got particles and gases and rocks so ya it conains matter i think idk im not really smart in the space/matter catagory

rambo5252 wrote:space must contain something otherwise the vacums force would crush planets and space ships and stuff, plus its got particles and gases and rocks so ya it conains matter i think idk im not really smart in the space/matter catagory

You're not getting my point, I'm talking about space, not the universe. It might be confusing, but I'll try to explain..
What's in between two planets? What's in between two asteroids? There's no air, that's for sure.
Why is there no drag in space? Cause there's no matter.
Do you get it now?

Again, if I'm wrong, blame my grade six learnings.

umm idk but if theres nothing there then it expands forever witch sort-of clashes with the big bang theory beacause at one point it was smaller right but idk but if im rong blame my teacher for never teaching about this kinda stuff

Space is fairly empty, but not quite entirely empty. There are random hydrogen molecules and stuff floating around. Also quantum foam.

By the way, vacuums are nowhere near as destructive as they are often portrayed in popular culture. Even if space were entirely devoid of particles, which it is very close to being, it wouldn't tear planets or spacecraft apart - they're held together by gravity and other forces which are stronger than the outward force due to pressure differences.

Wait, then wouldn't the hydrogen molecules be classified as particles in space instead of being part of space itself? Because if they are just floating around, then space is still surrounding it, making space still completely empty.
I think that made sense. But I guess the Quantum Foam theory also adds to the unsolved dilemma.

TribulatioN wrote:Wait, then wouldn't the hydrogen molecules be classified as particles in space instead of being part of space itself? Because if they are just floating around, then space is still surrounding it, making space still completely empty.
I think that made sense. But I guess the Quantum Foam theory also adds to the unsolved dilemma.

>99% of everything we normally consider matter is actually absolutely nothing. An atom consists of a tightly-packed nucleus, a ridiculous quantity of empty space, and then the electron clouds. By far, the majority of the volume of an atom within its largest electron cloud is empty space.

TribulatioN wrote:

rambo5252 wrote:space must contain something otherwise the vacums force would crush planets and space ships and stuff, plus its got particles and gases and rocks so ya it conains matter i think idk im not really smart in the space/matter catagory

You're not getting my point, I'm talking about space, not the universe. It might be confusing, but I'll try to explain..
What's in between two planets? What's in between two asteroids? There's no air, that's for sure.
Why is there no drag in space? Cause there's no matter.
Do you get it now?

Again, if I'm wrong, blame my grade six learnings.

There are actually a few atoms floating around in space.
However, there's got to be at least some place where there's absolutely nothing, though, even if it's microscopic. What is there between the atoms, and all the other subatomic particles? Nothing.
And besides, I'm pretty sure this doesn't even have much to do with the original topic.

rambo5252 wrote:everyone noes something, no matter what it is, like animals no how to walk or run or talk or w/e the list goes on and on of things almost every living animal knows

This is a paradox. The point is to interpret the logic of the statement, not the probability of the actual situation.

rambo5252 wrote:also your thing about nowing nothing is nowing something

Yes, we already know that, as golfkid already said when he started the topic.

Dark matter is all over the place in space. Even though we don't know much about it yet, tests are bieng done. I'm not going to fish up a wiki link. I just read about it in some magazine.