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Found some cool stuff here http://www.gamerfuse.com Eve Online “EVE Online” is the biggest of the player-driven persistent MMORPGs. Unlike many, it takes place in a sci-fi setting: space. Players pilot customizable ships through a universe featuring more than 7,5000 star systems, many of which are connected to one another via stargates.</p>
Players can do a wide variety of things in “EVE,” including mining, manufacturing, trading, exploring, and fighting other ships, both computer- and player-driven. “EVE” is known primarily for its incredibly deep character advancement system, and for the freedom it gives players, allowing for some of the most amazing – and crushing – player stories to date, with players doing everything from establishing virtual banking systems to creating corporations to escort other players.</p>

Eve sucks! You aren't fun.

Eve Online is probably the MMORPG with the grandest scale of happenings. If I had any interest at all in that genre, I'd check it out.

supposedly you pay $15 a month to have your avatar sit in training for several weeks during which you can't do anything. what is the point?

nevada wrote:supposedly you pay $15 a month to have your avatar sit in training for several weeks during which you can't do anything. what is the point?

So you just bounce off the walls and collect the gold? But I never get that gold, so what's the point?

hairscapades wrote:Eve Online is probably the MMORPG with the grandest scale of happenings. If I had any interest at all in that genre, I'd check it out.

Man, you must love investing and long periods of flying in your tiny spaceship over large blankets of space.

You can get a frigate and a warp scrambler in under a day which gives you the very real function of making sure enemy ships don't escape during large conflicts.

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:

nevada wrote:supposedly you pay $15 a month to have your avatar sit in training for several weeks during which you can't do anything. what is the point?

So you just bounce off the walls and collect the gold? But I never get that gold, so what's the point?

except in bouncing and collecting gold, you aren't simultaneously losing $15 a month to do so. that is what i was conveying.

squibbles wrote:http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ar ... 7&site=pcg

The sheer fact that these things can happen is outstanding. Almost makes me want to play the game. Almost.

The game sounds amazing from what i've heard, but it's way too expensive for me to seriously consider it. $15 x 12 = $174 per year.

Why would I ever pay that much for a game?

nevada wrote:

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:

nevada wrote:supposedly you pay $15 a month to have your avatar sit in training for several weeks during which you can't do anything. what is the point?

So you just bounce off the walls and collect the gold? But I never get that gold, so what's the point?

except in bouncing and collecting gold, you aren't simultaneously losing $15 a month to do so. that is what i was conveying.

The cost of playing games is much higher than the money you pay to do so. For whatever else you could be doing in that time, particularly productive things like building your skill set to earn more your line of work, you are "paying" it in order to play a game.

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote: The cost of playing games is much higher than the money you pay to do so. For whatever else you could be doing in that time, particularly productive things like building your skill set to earn more your line of work, you are "paying" it in order to play a game.

But you still "pay" that cost regardless of whether you paid any money for the game you're playing. Heck, I could sit and stare at a wall and still pay the same price that you're referring to.

heatwave wrote:

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote: The cost of playing games is much higher than the money you pay to do so. For whatever else you could be doing in that time, particularly productive things like building your skill set to earn more your line of work, you are "paying" it in order to play a game.

But you still "pay" that cost regardless of whether you paid any money for the game you're playing. Heck, I could sit and stare at a wall and still pay the same price that you're referring to.

Indeed. Were you intending that as a counter-argument or something?

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:The cost of playing games is much higher than the money you pay to do so. For whatever else you could be doing in that time, particularly productive things like building your skill set to earn more your line of work, you are "paying" it in order to play a game.

i knew this was going to come up, i've gone over this with lv a couple of times. i was going to mention it but decided against seeing as the vacation i am currently on is, using this line of thought, costing me thousands of dollars and god forbid i remember that. using your logic, nobody should ever do anything that doesn't monetarily benefit them in some way... never enjoying one's self and constantly working.
except if we do it your way, the world would be so horrible :c

disregarding semantics; giving money to do nothing sounds like a horrible, horrible decision by the end-user. or end-nonuser in this case. i would urge this person to put his $15 per month into something more productive like into a box that, when enough is saved, is used to purchase a pez-dispenser-dispensing pez-dispenser

in the end, if it didn't cost a retarded amount to get anywhere in the game that a two-week trial can't bring you, i might consider playing it. or not playing it... whichever their business model demands of me.

nevada wrote:using your logic, nobody should ever do anything that doesn't monetarily benefit them in some way... never enjoying one's self and constantly working.
except if we do it your way, the world would be so horrible :c

Congratulations. Every time I've brought this up in conversation, someone has to say exactly this very, very silly thing. This time, it's you.

Pointing out that time can be spent achieving something is not a suggestion that all time be spent achieving something. Recreation is necessary for sanity, so no reasonable person would suggest this (which is not to say that I even made any suggestions in the first place).
Neither is this argumentative logic ("using your logic"), incidentally.

I bring it up because we were talking about the cost of playing games, which is something I try to be mindful of when I have an urge to play me some vidjamagames. This is not to say that I'm opposed to playing games, just that sensible people would show moderation in doing so.

Tsukatu, I'm calling you if I ever get sued.

Am I the only one that would argue that even though we play games, we actually are spending all our time in the pursuit of self-benefit? Even if, as you say, having fun only serves to keep us sane (which I agree with to some degree), wouldn't it be plausible for the cost (as previously discussed) to be a calculated expenditure for our(individual) overall benefit, assuming that being sane allows us to be happier/achieve more?

tl;dr: Even playing games can be considered "achieving something"

Thanks to this thread, I found out that there aren't any good pez dispenser pictures on the internet.

Wait so I'm investing my time enough so I can point out the subject posted by (seemingly) a bot is in General Discussion as opposed to PC & Console Gaming and you've turned it into a debate topic not realizing that for what purpose exactly? The obligations are like chains man.

regardless this is a game that i play and i enjoy, ban him but dont knock the game... its a whole new ballpark when you find a corp. if anyone has played or anything im on and off and i can try and get you in the corp im in.

kai wrote:regardless this is a game that i play and i enjoy, ban him but dont knock the game... its a whole new ballpark when you find a corp. if anyone has played or anything im on and off and i can try and get you in the corp im in.

A topic devoted to Eve regardless? Fair enough. Oh yeah it's just one of those really large games dude.

Wow. 7,5000. That's more than I can wrap my head around.