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it's like krigging, only instead of a leg of lamb, it's a cigarette, and instead of ramming it up your ass, you ram it in your mouth

I smoke pretty much everything except cigarettes.

I certainly don't ram them, but I do pull air through them into my lungs.

N,N-Dimethyltryptamine, anyone?

This actually brings up something that I wanted to ask. In the next few days, I plan to go camping with a whole lot of friends, and it's likely there will be marijuana. I've never smoked before, and am wondering what to do. My friends are pretty cool, and my friend that's organizing has said there won't be any peer pressure. Now what?

I'm not sure whether you're asking if you should partake or if you want to know how to smoke weed. As for the first, only you can really decide if you want to or not. There are no lasting effects beyond the night of but if you're planing on going into professional sports or the military in the next six months, you might want to reconsider. Personally, I think that if you don't have any specific reasons for not doing it, you should at least try it. Don't attach any strings to it in your mind, though. If you don't like it, you don't have to do it again.

As for the how, it basically comes down to holding the implement to your mouth and sucking. I would imagine that your friend will either bring wrapping papers, a pipe or, if he's particularly forward thinking, a bong. Joints are the easiest thing in the world because there's only one thing to think about and you've probably seen hundreds of people smoking cigarettes so it will likely come naturally. Pipes are a little more complicated because you have to apply the light as you inhale. It might feel a little awkward the first time but that's mostly just nerves. In order to smoke a bong properly, it requires a bit of finesse because you want to pull in more and more smoke gradually. I actually wouldn't recommend taking your first hit ever off of a bong because it will likely make you cough like a motherfucker.

Overall, it's not too complicated. Relax, watch how your friends are doing it and imitate them. Feel free to ask them questions too as most people love to talk about the best way to consume marijuana.

I kicked my smoking addiction long ago, but it comes back to haunt me when I'm drunk and/or talking to cute girls who smoke. I never have the impulse to go out and buy cigarettes or to smoke, but if I've had a bit to drink and someone's offering, I'll invariably take one. I probably end up smoking two or three cigarettes a month.

Universezero wrote:This actually brings up something that I wanted to ask. In the next few days, I plan to go camping with a whole lot of friends, and it's likely there will be marijuana. I've never smoked before, and am wondering what to do. My friends are pretty cool, and my friend that's organizing has said there won't be any peer pressure. Now what?

You may as well try it once. It's not like there are any negative consequences. It could just as easily turn out that it's not for you, which is pretty much how my experience has gone.
Consider this functionally equivalent situation: You are about to go camping with some friends, and one of them has some kind of crazy Japanese snack food. He offers you some. It's not addictive or poisonous; your only concern is that it will taste funny. Do you try it?
My answer to this question is, why wouldn't you?

hairscapades wrote:I actually wouldn't recommend taking your first hit ever off of a bong because it will likely make you cough like a motherfucker.

Heh, maybe this was my first mistake. I've tried it a handful of times, but my first time went something like this:

• Take a hit.
• OH MY GOD I'M DYING
• Ugh. Jesus fucking Christ. Okay. I think I'm okay.
• Let me try another hit.
• Repeat.

Universezero wrote:This actually brings up something that I wanted to ask. In the next few days, I plan to go camping with a whole lot of friends, and it's likely there will be marijuana. I've never smoked before, and am wondering what to do. My friends are pretty cool, and my friend that's organizing has said there won't be any peer pressure. Now what?

About a year and a half ago I smoked for the first time. I didn't get high (although I felt it. I started playing ping pong right afterwards and it was noticeably harder) and it was overall a poor experience. The next day I felt no different, nor were there any signs that I had smoked. Since then my sister (smoked with her) has become sort of a pothead and made a lot of bad life decisions and I've stayed away from it. I realize that marijuana isn't totally responsible for such an outcome, but I still believe it had an affect on her choices (go get a job or smoke with friends? etc.). I felt no withdrawal and haven't smoked since, so what everyone is saying about it not affecting you afterwards is correct.

I would encourage you to try it, you might like it, or you might not. I didn't, but I don't regret smoking.

I, SlappyMcGee wrote:Since then my sister (smoked with her) has become sort of a pothead and made a lot of bad life decisions and I've stayed away from it. I realize that marijuana isn't totally responsible for such an outcome, but I still believe it had an affect on her choices (go get a job or smoke with friends? etc.)

Marijuana isn't any more responsible for your sisters "bad life decisions" than video games are responsible for you not doing your homework. You're perpetuating a misconception.

Skyling wrote:N,N-Dimethyltryptamine, anyone?

I highly suggest sitting down first.

Skyling wrote:N,N-Dimethyltryptamine, anyone?

From what I hear, this is much closer to actual krigging.

hairscapades wrote:

I, SlappyMcGee wrote:Since then my sister (smoked with her) has become sort of a pothead and made a lot of bad life decisions and I've stayed away from it. I realize that marijuana isn't totally responsible for such an outcome, but I still believe it had an affect on her choices (go get a job or smoke with friends? etc.)

Marijuana isn't any more responsible for your sisters "bad life decisions" than video games are responsible for you not doing your homework. You're perpetuating a misconception.

I understand that. Where I go to school, pretty much all of the potheads are losers. There are very few people with a good head on their shoulders who also smokes occasionally on the side. I just associate marijuana with these types of people, and while I acknowledge such an assumption is ungrounded (there are plenty of people who smoke and are geniuses, etc.), I don't consider it an unhealthy one.

I, SlappyMcGee wrote:while I acknowledge such an assumption is ungrounded (there are plenty of people who smoke and are geniuses, etc.), I don't consider it an unhealthy one.

Uh...?

I, SlappyMcGee wrote:while I acknowledge such an assumption is ungrounded (there are plenty of people who smoke and are geniuses, etc.), I don't consider it an unhealthy one.

I can't find a proper way to convey the frustration that that kind of statement generates in me so I'm going to use caps lock instead.

ASSUMPTION = COOL STORY, BRO

FACTS DIRECTLY CONTRADICTING ASSUMPTION = ASSUMPTION IS NOT TRUE

STANDING BY THE AFOREMENTIONED ASSUMPTION AFTER FACTS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT = PANTS ON HEAD RETARDED

I'll happily smoke a cigarette if I'm drinking and someone offers it to me. That's usually once or maybe twice a month. I don't find tobacco's effects that great on their own, though. It seems more comparable to the nootropics than the other recreational drugs, save for its ugly addiction potential (nicotine increases beta-endorphin release), and piracetam does a much better job for me.

Blackson: There are a lot of confounding factors regarding weed and personal success, economic status and race prominent among them. I know several talented physics students who smoke. This thread was about tobacco, though; I love weed, but we can make another thread for it.

hairscapades wrote:

I, SlappyMcGee wrote:while I acknowledge such an assumption is ungrounded (there are plenty of people who smoke and are geniuses, etc.), I don't consider it an unhealthy one.

I can't find a proper way to convey the frustration that that kind of statement generates in me so I'm going to use caps lock instead.

ASSUMPTION = COOL STORY, BRO

FACTS DIRECTLY CONTRADICTING ASSUMPTION = ASSUMPTION IS NOT TRUE

STANDING BY THE AFOREMENTIONED ASSUMPTION AFTER FACTS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT = PANTS ON HEAD RETARDED

I understand such a path to a conclusion is silly, but the only reason I'm staying with my conclusion is because it in itself is positive. If I had used the same logic and concluded unicorns were nazis, I quickly would abandon such a method. I realize my approach is littered with fallacies, but I'm convinced through one thing or another that pot can do nothing but distract me.

scythe wrote:Blackson: There are a lot of confounding factors regarding weed and personal success, economic status and race prominent among them. I know several talented physics students who smoke. This thread was about tobacco, though; I love weed, but we can make another thread for it.

Oh, I readily acknowledge that. Just, there are 10 fold the number of people who smoke pot and... aren't talented physics students. Rather, college drop outs living in apartments paycheck to paycheck.

I see what you're getting at, Blackson. But of course your idea that this assumption is good for you despite its fallacies only rings true on the basis of your assumption. It's pretty wacky.

With that said, I advocate pot smoking only in strict moderation. I've seen the effects of long-term pot-smoking, and they're not pretty. It's the kind of drug that can just hold you where you are, socially, mentally, and physically, if you smoke every day for a long time (this is my opinion based on my observations of people I have known for a long time who have smoked pot for a long time (I'm talking 30+ years)). I think pot is a great drug in moderation though.

But this thread was about cigarettes. Nicotine has a really nice effect. People who have never smoked cigarettes really can't understand how nice it is. Unfortunately, it will generally also have horrific side-effects. However, I know a 98 year old woman who smoked cigarettes for 40 years, and she's awesome. She'll live to 100 lest she is hit by a bus or something. I suppose she's one of the lucky ones.

I, SlappyMcGee wrote:I understand such a path to a conclusion is silly, but the only reason I'm staying with my conclusion is because it in itself is positive. If I had used the same logic and concluded unicorns were nazis, I quickly would abandon such a method. I realize my approach is littered with fallacies, but I'm convinced through one thing or another that pot can do nothing but distract me.

And anti-vaxers are convinced without reason that vaccinations will give their children autism. "In itself," as you say, their conclusion seems to them to be positive even though they've killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.
Or for another example, consider that schools teach abstinence-only sex "education" despite a lack of evidence of its effectiveness because their intended results seem to them to be good.
Plenty of people hold on to unjustifiable conclusions which seem to them to be good, but without that justification it is totally unreasonable to believe the conclusion is representative of reality.

I, SlappyMcGee wrote:Oh, I readily acknowledge that. Just, there are 10 fold the number of people who smoke pot and... aren't talented physics students. Rather, college drop outs living in apartments paycheck to paycheck.

There is always a much greater number of non-achievers as achievers. I've never seen that it has any correlation to smoking pot.

entwilight wrote:Nicotine has a really nice effect. People who have never smoked cigarettes really can't understand how nice it is.

I guess I must be immune to it, then. I smoked regularly for several months, and as I said still do every now and again, but the most I've ever gotten was momentary light-headedness when I stood up or started walking. Otherwise, no noticeable mood change or anything like that. And I've smoked past my limit a number of times, so it's not like I just wasn't getting enough nicotine to feel it. To me, smoking cigarettes is just... downright pointless.

EDIT:

And anti-vaxers are convinced without reason that vaccinations will give their children autism. "In itself," as you say, their conclusion seems to them to be positive even though they've killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

I can't let this attempt at hyperbole or whatever pass unquestioned. Damn near everything has killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

As for whether or not you should try marijuana, it depends whether you're the type of person who likes to try things, is the only way I can put it. As Tsukatu said, it's a lot like trying a rare Japanese food -- not a big deal.

Nostromo wrote:EDIT:

And anti-vaxers are convinced without reason that vaccinations will give their children autism. "In itself," as you say, their conclusion seems to them to be positive even though they've killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

I can't let this attempt at hyperbole or whatever pass unquestioned. Damn near everything has killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

Not marijuana.

Nostromo wrote:EDIT:

And anti-vaxers are convinced without reason that vaccinations will give their children autism. "In itself," as you say, their conclusion seems to them to be positive even though they've killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

I can't let this attempt at hyperbole or whatever pass unquestioned. Damn near everything has killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

I sort of wonder why we haven't started a War on Lightning, or a War on Bears.

scythe wrote:

Nostromo wrote:EDIT:

And anti-vaxers are convinced without reason that vaccinations will give their children autism. "In itself," as you say, their conclusion seems to them to be positive even though they've killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

I can't let this attempt at hyperbole or whatever pass unquestioned. Damn near everything has killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

I sort of wonder why we haven't started a War on Lightning, or a War on Bears.

probably because you'd lose

hairscapades wrote:

Nostromo wrote:EDIT:

And anti-vaxers are convinced without reason that vaccinations will give their children autism. "In itself," as you say, their conclusion seems to them to be positive even though they've killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

I can't let this attempt at hyperbole or whatever pass unquestioned. Damn near everything has killed more Americans than terrorists have in the last nine years.

Not marijuana.

That's because you can't OD on it. Honestly, it's impossible. Well, I'm sure there's some way to make it possible, but just with pot itself, you can't OD.

Alright guys, enough babble, let's get back to some actual discussion here.

I only wish I had something more to say ...

I think you should do some LSD like a REAL man.