The Dronies Voting 2009

[bobaganuesh_2]

I will not be changing from IE any time soon. It's just not going to happen.

...because my idiot [parental figure] won't let me. is what you say next. Right? Right? Please tell me I'm right.

Also, the second page of this thread is one of the worst I've ever read. You should be ashamed. You know who you are.

I don't find it necessary to switch browsers. you asking me to convert is as arrogant as me asking you to reformat the site to let IE users view it properly, imo. I'm guessing neither party is going to budge, and there's no way to fix up the site before mid-January. Please gloomp, lets not go on about how everyone that is not the majority is a pack of idiots. I'll figure it out eventually and put my vote in, but for now the majority is at an inconvenience. Perhaps next year we can make everyone happy, as hard as that task may seem.

[Hoohah2x2sday]

So what do we do if we get a 404 error...repeatedly? I'm using firefox.

[otters~1]

What the fuck, boba? You know how much easier it is to dl Firefox than it is to reformat the entire jesus-h-christing website? I'm sorry I started this entire conversation; I was an idiot for doing my noms on IE--shoulda remembered how much sidke hates it. And how much it fucking sucks.

[unoriginal name]

What the fuck, boba? You know how much easier it is to dl Firefox than it is to reformat the entire jesus-h-christing website? I'm sorry I started this entire conversation; I was an idiot for doing my noms on IE--shoulda remembered how much sidke hates it. And how much it fucking sucks.

This. <3 flag

[Seneschal]

Ok, guys: if you're using IE to vote, don't panic! Yes, it's not great, but there is a solution!
On the dronies site, go to View on the menu bar, go down to Style and choose "No Style". What you'll get is a very dull page, but one that you can actually read coherently on IE.

[amomentlikethis]

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The requested URL /voting.php was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.2.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.14 OpenSSL/0.9.8l DAV/2 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 Server at dronies.easterviking.com Port 80

You know what, I can't be bothered to go through those poor quality maps again to re-vote.
I'm really disappointed with this year's lineup. Most of the maps were dull.

I fail to see how an N-art can be in the "most innovative use of objects" category.

The only map from the lineup that was in my favourites was a DDA that I had a decent speedrun on.

[Spawn of Yanni]

Uh, give us a moment to sort out this 404 thing.

[origami_alligator]

We format specifically for Firefox, though Safari and Opera seem to be fine with most of the website I think.
The difference between fixing a bug and downloading a browser is huge. I would be a bit annoyed if someone asked me to fix a bug that would take much longer that it does to download a browser.
Not to mention that Firefox has many more internet features that IE is just starting to use. Things like transparency in images. Or correctly reading HTML/CSS.
If you're really not going to budge you can always try and format Internet Explorer so that the website looks correct. I think that's possible.

" Welcome to Numa. You will be either banned or assigned a cruel title (i.e. shenanigans, spoil-sport etc.) if you speak up about how our numerous outrageous antics deserve to replace authentic hard work. We're all a bunch of naïve douchebags who like to think that our make-believe society is sensibly structured, but its really as far from it as a thing can be. enjoy your stay or go away. "

Now watch me get shot down because of what i think of the way this place is run.

eganic.
(a) The only person(s) who can code for the site right now are (1) Arachnid and (2) sidke. They both have demanding jobs and cannot deal with the task of making nifty little additions to NUMA.
(b) If there were any hard work to be done on NUMA we would probably be doing it. Unfortunately, if you refer to (a) you'll see that we can't really get any hard work done because we (the staff who is not Arachnid or sidke) don't know how to do the work. Please, if you can fix NUMA's code for some things and add some amazing features, please speak up and do so. I think everyone would appreciate it.
(c) Naïve douchebags? Sensibly structured? I'm so glad you think that we are on some high horse and are blind to the fact that NUMA's community can be pretty awful at times. I hope you realize that WE GET REPORTED ALL THE SHIT THAT YOU GUYS DO AND SAY. Everything that is even remotely offensive is sent directly to the moderation queue where us mods have to decide whether it's fine or needs to be deleted. We don't sit around and pretend everything on NUMA is awesome. I don't know where you get these silly ideas. Instead we actively try and make NUMA awesome by throwing in some strange bits and pieces to make you guys get all excited. In case you don't remember, there used to be hundreds of sniping incidents every week and people would get in flame wars and others would start trolling for no reason. I think maybe you showed up closer to when that was ending for the most part. The community is much better than it used to be, but it's not perfect. If it were perfect I imagine it'd be extremely boring. Besides, the social structure of NUMA is based on its users moreso than its admins and moderators. There are many more of you than there are of us. Changing NUMA involves changing the everyday users, not the authoritative figures.
(d) We don't want people to get the fuck out. We want people to enjoy their stay. We want people to like the atmosphere that our community does create. Instead everyone seems to have an issue with one thing or another. I think if you're not going to enjoy NUMA then why bother being on NUMA? Why continue to go to a place you dislike?
(e) I'm not shooting you down for the way you think this place is ran. I'm shooting you down for the way in which you do not actually know how this place is ran and instead prefer to assume things about us with no supporting proof that any of it is happening for the reasons you think it is.
(f) Hopefully you learned something today.

(g) origami_alligator
(h) NUMA Admin

[bobaganuesh_2]

What the fuck, boba? You know how much easier it is to dl Firefox than it is to reformat the entire jesus-h-christing website? I'm sorry I started this entire conversation; I was an idiot for doing my noms on IE--shoulda remembered how much sidke hates it. And how much it fucking sucks.

I guess its common sense that it would take much less time and effort to download Firefox. But since this is the only time that this sort of siturtation will occur, then I don't see a point of downloading another broswer to use it just for this purpose, when the one I am using works well enough for my needs.

[otters~1]

The only map from the lineup that was in my favourites was a DDA that I had a decent speedrun on.

...

This thread is starting to really anger me.

EDIT: Hey southpaw, didn't see your post. I frankly love you.

And boba, if this is the only time you've ever encountered a website that ran better on Firefox than on IE, you are ... lucky.

[amomentlikethis]

And boba, if this is the only time you've ever encountered a website that ran better on Firefox than on IE, you are ... lucky.

I've never found Firefox to do anything better than IE until now either.
I was getting the 404 Error on Opera, if it helps anyone.

No, I won't download Firefox.

I totally agree with Eganic.

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Apparently you can't put quotes within spoiler tags, so if you don't want to read something somewhat off-topic you can ignore the rest of this post.

(b) If there were any hard work to be done on NUMA we would probably be doing it. Unfortunately, if you refer to (a) you'll see that we can't really get any hard work done because we (the staff who is not Arachnid or sidke) don't know how to do the work. Please, if you can fix NUMA's code for some things and add some amazing features, please speak up and do so. I think everyone would appreciate it.

I highly doubt fixing my profile would take all that long; it's been well over a year now, I believe.

Changing NUMA involves changing the everyday users, not the authoritative figures.

Too true, I'd start posting maps more frequently if my profile worked at all.

(d) We don't want people to get the fuck out. We want people to enjoy their stay. We want people to like the atmosphere that our community does create. Instead everyone seems to have an issue with one thing or another. I think if you're not going to enjoy NUMA then why bother being on NUMA? Why continue to go to a place you dislike?

People can't find my maps on Random Maps; people can't find my maps on my profile; people can't find my maps by tag-searching. The only way for people to see my maps is for me to post new maps and them to browse back 5 maps at a time. I haven't enjoyed being a mapmaker on NUMA for a long time.
As for the atmosphere; why do you think I rarely go on #N any more.

(e) I'm not shooting you down for the way you think this place is ran.

I was shot down when I complained about the way things were run (not just NUMA) a few months back.

(f) Hopefully you learned something today.

Through reading the posts in this topic I learned that nothings changed here at all.

[origami_alligator]

You missed a few statements to comment on with that essay test you just wrote, amlt.

I'm sorry your profile is screwed up. Considering there is only one human being in the world with access to the FTP and he has a wife and a job at GOOGLE FOR CHRISTS SAKE, I think that you should stop complaining since it's not getting you anywhere.

Have you ever tried emailing [email protected] ? I hear that you can get a response sometimes. I also hear that sometimes you have to email there more than once or twice to anything done. I'd start there to fix your problem with your profile, instead of complaining to the people who can't do shit about it.

[otters]

I advise everyone here that, by using Trident, IE's implausibly badly-made rendering engine, it's nobody's fault but your own (and possibly your school's and most definitely Microsoft's development team) if sites turn out screwed up. What you see in Firefox, Safari, or maybe Opera is how the webpage should be displayed; what you see in Internet Explorer is how high-and-mighty Microsoft thought elements should arrange themselves. You can choose to drive a Ford Pinto, but if it takes eight minutes to download a Prius or some sensibly stylish car for free, it's going to be harder for others to relate to you or feel sympathy when someone hits you from behind and the vehicle is engulfed in flames.

[Hoohah2x2sday]

Wow, I really like that metaphor.

Any word on the 404 issue? I'm still having problems..(and don't yell at me I'm using firefox :p)

[Spawn of Yanni]

Alright, the issue has been identified, and things should be back to normal in a bit. Hold off on the voting for a while and I'll post again when everything's good to go.

Sorry if you lost your votes.

[rocket_thumped]

I advise everyone here that, by using Trident, IE's implausibly badly-made rendering engine, it's nobody's fault but your own (and possibly your school's and most definitely Microsoft's development team) if sites turn out screwed up. What you see in Firefox, Safari, or maybe Opera is how the webpage should be displayed; what you see in Internet Explorer is how high-and-mighty Microsoft thought elements should arrange themselves. You can choose to drive a Ford Pinto, but if it takes eight minutes to download a Prius or some sensibly stylish car for free, it's going to be harder for others to relate to you or feel sympathy when someone hits you from behind and the vehicle is engulfed in flames.

Ahahaha.. that was amazing. Nicely done.

[amomentlikethis]

Have you ever tried emailing [email protected] ? I hear that you can get a response sometimes. I also hear that sometimes you have to email there more than once or twice to anything done. I'd start there to fix your problem with your profile, instead of complaining to the people who can't do shit about it.

Yes, 6 or 7 times.

[乳头的早餐谷物]

Have you ever tried emailing [email protected] ? I hear that you can get a response sometimes. I also hear that sometimes you have to email there more than once or twice to anything done. I'd start there to fix your problem with your profile, instead of complaining to the people who can't do shit about it.

Yes, 6 or 7 times.

I've searched for all NUMA emails that contain 'amomentlikethis', and you seem to have only sent two, neither of which had anything to do with this.

[Rhekatou]

Have you ever tried emailing [email protected] ? I hear that you can get a response sometimes. I also hear that sometimes you have to email there more than once or twice to anything done. I'd start there to fix your problem with your profile, instead of complaining to the people who can't do shit about it.

Yes, 6 or 7 times.

I've searched for all NUMA emails that contain 'amomentlikethis', and you seem to have only sent two, neither of which had anything to do with this.

Speaking of emailing [email protected], when will all the glitchy "Rated maps" and some of the users' disappeared maps be fixed? (I've stumbled on about 5 other users besides amlt that have "No maps" yet have several hundred. Well, okay, 20ish.

[Ignate]

Nicely done, guys. And my comic barely scraped through into the noms, nice. I didn't nominate, but I'll get to voting once Yanni gives the okay.

I'm not interrupting the NUMA conversation here, am I.

[Drathmoore]

And my comic barely scraped through into the noms, nice.

Hang on... Does this mean you know how many nominations you got?

[SlappyMcGee]

Back on the problem with Numa, I think having the attitude, Don't complain since we don't know how to do anything about it is a bad one. If we're in a position where nobody can fix the damn website for the most basic features (and we are, because amlt's user experience is horrid), then we need somebody to take an internet lesson and fix the thing. If you can't fix this website, then maybe it's time to get a new website. But if the webmasters are irritated by complaints and do nothing about them, we're in an unfortunate place.

[乳头的早餐谷物]

Back on the problem with Numa, I think having the attitude, Don't complain since we don't know how to do anything about it is a bad one. If we're in a position where nobody can fix the damn website for the most basic features (and we are, because amlt's user experience is horrid), then we need somebody to take an internet lesson and fix the thing. If you can't fix this website, then maybe it's time to get a new website. But if the webmasters are irritated by complaints and do nothing about them, we're in an unfortunate place.

It is a terribly poor situation, but it's not "since we don't know how to do anything about it", it's "since we cannot do anything about it". Arachnid is the only person capable of fixing things like that.

[SlappyMcGee]

Back on the problem with Numa, I think having the attitude, Don't complain since we don't know how to do anything about it is a bad one. If we're in a position where nobody can fix the damn website for the most basic features (and we are, because amlt's user experience is horrid), then we need somebody to take an internet lesson and fix the thing. If you can't fix this website, then maybe it's time to get a new website. But if the webmasters are irritated by complaints and do nothing about them, we're in an unfortunate place.

It is a terribly poor situation, but it's not "since we don't know how to do anything about it", it's "since we cannot do anything about it". Arachnid is the only person capable of fixing things like that.

Which I think is the larger problem here.

[otters~1]

Back on the problem with Numa, I think having the attitude, Don't complain since we don't know how to do anything about it is a bad one. If we're in a position where nobody can fix the damn website for the most basic features (and we are, because amlt's user experience is horrid), then we need somebody to take an internet lesson and fix the thing. If you can't fix this website, then maybe it's time to get a new website. But if the webmasters are irritated by complaints and do nothing about them, we're in an unfortunate place.

It is a terribly poor situation, but it's not "since we don't know how to do anything about it", it's "since we cannot do anything about it". Arachnid is the only person capable of fixing things like that.

Which I think is the larger problem here.

And I thought this was being solved back in April? LV was getting some info on how the site was coded from Arachnid, and it was being thrown around that he might take over the month-to-month management?