Abortion is murder, I tells yah!

[Tanner]

In fact, I support the occurrence of all historical events, because they lead to my current existence.

DemonzLunchBreak: The Acme of Evolution.

[wolfgang]

Meat is murder, I tells yah!

[handofgod]

Its not murder.
Its woman's choice, there the ones actually having the baby. Its easy for men to point fingers and say abortion is an evil, hell-spawn practice, but I say it should be totally up to the woman.

(I don't know, maybe my opinion is backed by the fact that I have no desire for children.)

[DemonzLunchBreak]

In fact, I support the occurrence of all historical events, because they lead to my current existence.

DemonzLunchBreak: The Acme of Evolution.

Any other position would be to advocate my own death. It's not that I think I'm the reason everything evolved, I just like being alive. I wouldn't want the universe to be any other way.

[blue_tetris]

I don't know, guys, maybe my birth mother should have aborted me instead of the parents I have now adopt me because they wanted another child and wished to help my incarcerated, alcoholic, and drug addicted birth mother give me a chance at life. Cause, there's nothing wrong with that at all. It's only one person, right? Won't there be chances for more babies down the line? No one can change someone's world, so get over yourselves.

Yeah, and all those BITCHES who won't have SEX with me are totally killing the chance at life that Steve, Kevin, Jessica, Ross, Rafael, Shaniquwah, etc. have in some alternate universe. Those are my children, Twistkill! Women are therefore obligated to have sex with me whenever possible.

I made the same argument earlier and it was ignored.

[DemonzLunchBreak]

I don't know, guys, maybe my birth mother should have aborted me instead of the parents I have now adopt me because they wanted another child and wished to help my incarcerated, alcoholic, and drug addicted birth mother give me a chance at life. Cause, there's nothing wrong with that at all. It's only one person, right? Won't there be chances for more babies down the line? No one can change someone's world, so get over yourselves.

Yeah, and all those BITCHES who won't have SEX with me are totally killing the chance at life that Steve, Kevin, Jessica, Ross, Rafael, Shaniquwah, etc. have in some alternate universe. Those are my children, Twistkill! Women are therefore obligated to have sex with me whenever possible.

I made the same argument earlier and it was ignored.

Oh. Well all those anti-choicers better address it at some point...

[jean-luc]

I don't know, guys, maybe my birth mother should have aborted me instead of the parents I have now adopt me because they wanted another child and wished to help my incarcerated, alcoholic, and drug addicted birth mother give me a chance at life. Cause, there's nothing wrong with that at all. It's only one person, right? Won't there be chances for more babies down the line? No one can change someone's world, so get over yourselves.

I must admit, I'm not entirely sure of your point. You seem to be arguing that adoption works.
Unfortunately, it tends not to. The adoption system in most of the United States is severely broken. We see the exact some kinds of problems in adopted children.
It may have worked fine for you, and it works fine for a lot of people. However, you are only one case. Statistically speaking, adoption is not effective at preventing the kinds of problems that result from abortion being banned.

[Brocerius]

When i say 'Abortion is murder' i mean just that; it is the taking of life - in that, from conception, a foetus is as definably life as is a bacteria, a puppy, or Stephen Hawking. This is how i think it differs from contraception, masturbation, and not screwing dave.

However, i think that until the life crosses some sort of (possibly fairly arbitrarily defined) line it should be no more illegal to abort it as it should be illegal to wear a condom, masturbate, or not screw dave.

The only issue i have is where to draw the line. Clearly birth is accepted as a boundry beyond which we couldnt consider aborting the baby (see that episode of south park, where Cartmans mother tries to legalize 40th trimester abortions for further information/amusement), but that in itself creates issues; because even after it is born the baby is no more sentient than a puppy is. And that brings us back to the unfortunate issue of potential.

What i mean to say is; clearly there is some scale of life on which humans measure the acceptablility of murder. Animal life can be murdered, because it doesnt reach this criteria. Foetuses can be murdered because they dont reach this criteria. But where can we draw the line? Is there any sort of set boundry we can work on, or are we going to have to settle for the status quo (which is not necesarily a bad thing; the status quo seems to work pretty well just now, dosnt it?)




I tried to adress the issue of blue_tetris' sex life in this response. I hope that is appreciated.

[otters]

I don't know, guys, maybe my birth mother should have aborted me instead of the parents I have now adopt me because they wanted another child and wished to help my incarcerated, alcoholic, and drug addicted birth mother give me a chance at life. Cause, there's nothing wrong with that at all. It's only one person, right? Won't there be chances for more babies down the line? No one can change someone's world, so get over yourselves.

Yeah, and all those BITCHES who won't have SEX with me are totally killing the chance at life that Steve, Kevin, Jessica, Ross, Rafael, Shaniquwah, etc. have in some alternate universe. Those are my children, Twistkill! Women are therefore obligated to have sex with me whenever possible.

The defendant is confusing the issue.

Abortion is killing a baby, Demonz, not preventing a baby from being made in the first place.

[DemonzLunchBreak]

Nah, Twistkill was talking about giving "people" chances at life. My hypothetical children are as much persons as are fetuses (and you haven't given any evidence to the contrary!).

[Skyling]

Abortion is killing a baby, Demonz, not preventing a baby from being made in the first place.

Define "baby".

[Sithmaster]

if you don't think the woman should be allowed to decide if she wants a baby, how can you justify letting her raise said baby? I myself believe it depends on how developed the baby is, if it looks like a human, and is only a few months (or a few weeks) from being born, then that is murder, but, if it is not fully developed yet (fetus wise), then I believe it should be up to the woman. After all, it is her body, and if you don't trust her with it, then why on God's Earth (see what I did there?) can you trust her to raise the child?

[otters]

Nah, Twistkill was talking about giving "people" chances at life. My hypothetical children are as much persons as are fetuses (and you haven't given any evidence to the contrary!).

...hmm.

Your children don't exist, but they're still very much people...

Define baby.

Slash fetus. Whatever.

[blue_tetris]

Abortion is killing a baby, Demonz, not preventing a baby from being made in the first place.

In that case, the pro-lifers need to stop with the "potential for life" argument. It's an easy knockdown that we keep being forced to engage in.

[Atilla]

Slash fetus.

Wouldn't doing that be murder?

[Brainwasher]

I don't know, guys, maybe my birth mother should have aborted me instead of the parents I have now adopt me because they wanted another child and wished to help my incarcerated, alcoholic, and drug addicted birth mother give me a chance at life. Cause, there's nothing wrong with that at all. It's only one person, right? Won't there be chances for more babies down the line? No one can change someone's world, so get over yourselves.

Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect
This is the best example out there.

[otters]

Slash fetus.

Wouldn't doing that be murder?

Your joke was so easily anticipated that it lacked humor.

Define "life," Dave.

[blue_tetris]

Slash fetus.

Wouldn't doing that be murder?

Your joke was so easily anticipated that it lacked humor.

Define "life," Dave.

Not my job.

I don't think the potentiality of "life" is a good basis for a law. Being "life" doesn't give you any legal rights. Bacteria, insects, and fish are all life. My kidney is living and can actually survive without me given the proper environment. It's got no right to its domain. I can even sell it to someone as slave labor! Consider how many rights "living" things have.

Perhaps you need the definition for a different word.

[otters]

Wouldn't doing that be murder?

Your joke was so easily anticipated that it lacked humor.

Define "life," Dave.

Not my job.

I don't think the potentiality of "life" is a good basis for a law. Being "life" doesn't give you any legal rights. Bacteria, insects, and fish are all life. My kidney is living and can actually survive without me given the proper environment. It's got no right to its domain. I can even sell it to someone as slave labor! Consider how many rights "living" things have.

Perhaps you need the definition for a different word.

Sorry, wrong person. My mistake.

[blue_tetris]

You thought Skyline was Dave?

You crazy.

[otters]

You thought Skyline was Dave?

You crazy.

Well 'scuse me. Muscle memory. I read one of your posts and think, "Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave" and type Dave instead of whatever else I'm supposed to Dave.

[乳头的早餐谷物]

Dave's right, in any case. There is a great difference between biological life and life worthy of consideration.

[Sithmaster]

Dave's right, in any case. There is a great difference between biological life and life worthy of consideration.

QFE

[origami_alligator]

I don't know, guys, maybe my birth mother should have aborted me instead of the parents I have now adopt me because they wanted another child and wished to help my incarcerated, alcoholic, and drug addicted birth mother give me a chance at life. Cause, there's nothing wrong with that at all. It's only one person, right? Won't there be chances for more babies down the line? No one can change someone's world, so get over yourselves.

Nobody threw the anecdotal argument at Twistkill?
I'm not trying to say that your life isn't well worth it, Twistkill, what I'm saying is that it's great that your adopted parents allowed you to have a place to live after birth, a place much more safe than living with a drug-addicted mother. But the point still stands that just because this was the case for you does not make it the case for everybody.
I'm not saying you can't be pro-life. Just don't tell me I can't be pro-choice because of your story. (I realized you haven't actually said I can't be pro-choice, I just like throwing that line in at the end of all my counterpoints.)

I think in the end, you're a great guy, Twistkill, but consider what would have happened if you had not been adopted. Foster care, or growing up in the slums of whatever city you were born. Would you have wanted to burden your drug-addicted, alcoholic mother with a child? Would you have wanted to burden yourself with a drug-addicted, alcoholic mother? Or be put into a failed foster care system and grow up switching houses and families often, possibly being abused or treated like shit?
I'm not trying to be mean or condescending to your biological mother in any way, or to you personally, I'm just curious if you had considered the alternative life you would have had if you did not have adopted parents and your mom had not opted for abortion.

[blue_tetris]

I knew a guy whose parents couldn't support him and had him by accident. He sells crystal meth now and believes in a Godless universe. He gets to go to hell and burn forever. Ahh, sunrise, sunset.

I also knew a guy who ate too much McDonalds and died of a heart attack. They should make McDonalds illegal.

Dude, also, this one time, a girl rejected me when I asked her if she wanted to go out to see Casino Royale. So I became gay and stopped watching movies.

Universal decisions based on isolated cases is really the only way to live, Southpaw.