Polyphasic Sleep

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Postby blackson » 2009.10.30 (18:28)

Polyphasic Sleep is a sleeping schedule that involves sleeping in multiple short "naps" as oposed to all in one giant chunk. Converting onto this schedule is known to be a very difficult and terrible process, but the ammount of time awake gained in a day is well worth it. A very popular schedule is to sleep every 4 hours, 20 minutes, ammounting to 20+ hours of being actively awake a day. The only flaw is that you've always got to have a place to sleep, and most of all, boredom. Does/has anybody used a Polyphasic Sleep Schedule?

Personally, I would be on a polyphasic schedule if it were possible with school; sadly it is not. My first summer out of High School I plan to convert (so much more time with college).

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Postby Skyling » 2009.10.30 (19:08)

Hm, I don't know. How much REM sleep can you get in twenty minutes? And what if you can't fall asleep in time? It seems like a pretty strict schedule. And I like sleep!
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Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2009.10.30 (19:48)

Oh, God yes. This is something I've been considering for a while (on the schedule you described, which also goes by the name of Uberman). I just need a two-week vacation to break myself into it.
I should be able to schedule classes around it, and it'd go wonderfully with other lifestyle choices I've been meaning to make, such as eating smaller meals but more frequently and drinking substantially less alcohol in general. I've long been of the opinion that there are not enough hours in the day, so six extra would be very welcome.
Hell, I might be able to break it in around mid-December. I'll keep a vlog if I do.
Skyling wrote:Hm, I don't know. How much REM sleep can you get in twenty minutes? And what if you can't fall asleep in time? It seems like a pretty strict schedule. And I like sleep!
The idea is to train your brain to snap immediately into REM sleep. When you sleep 8 hours, only 60-90 minutes of that are REM sleep, and the rest is miscellaneous sleep stages that science has so far been unable to find a use for. Well... if I remember correctly, you dream in stage 4 or so, so snapping immediately into REM could very well mean that you skip over the stage where you dream. Anyway, I remember reading somewhere that polyphasic sleep is tricking your brain into reverting to a distant primitive that ancestors of humans might have had to rely on at some point, wherein they could only afford to sleep for brief periods before having to be active again.
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Postby toasters » 2009.10.30 (19:55)

I like it when I wake up after about 8 hours of sleep, and then go right back to sleep. That's when I have lucid dreams, which are cool. So no, I wouldn't consider this.
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Postby MattKestrel » 2009.10.30 (20:18)

Man, I wish I could get away with this, but under my living conditions, I wouldn't even consider it until I moved out.

Other than that snag, it seems a very efficient, if slightly creepy way of living. It seems like there'd be a lot of negative side effects over time, which is another deterrent to me.
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Postby blackson » 2009.10.30 (20:27)

Tsukatu wrote:Well... if I remember correctly, you dream in stage 4 or so, so snapping immediately into REM could very well mean that you skip over the stage where you dream.
Many people who use the Uberman sleep schedule describe very intense and emotional dreams. Some consider this a flaw; I view it as an extreme plus.
Tsukatu wrote: Hell, I might be able to break it in around mid-December. I'll keep a vlog if I do.
If you do this, please notify me. I'm interested in how difficult it is switching.

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Postby Donfuy » 2009.10.30 (22:35)

Orange introduced me to this about a week ago, and I was going for it. The problem is that I'm starting to go to school at Monday, and if I switched to this polyphasic thing on that day, I'd get to the new school very very tired.

So yeah, I want to try this on my next 1.5 week vacation, as Tsukatu.
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Postby 乳头的早餐谷物 » 2009.10.31 (02:33)

I've always wanted to try a polyphasic sleep system and I think I actually said I was going to do it a couple of years ago. Never got around to it. I ought to, if I can get my schedule aligned with it, because normal sleep doesn't quite do it for me.

Yeah:
2007 wrote:Jul 27 22:32:58 <KinGAleX> Man, I really want to try out polyphasic sleep.
Jul 27 22:33:14 <maestro> So do I.
Jul 27 22:33:28 <maestro> But modern life has too many commitments.
Jul 27 22:33:34 <TheSeer> Screw Polyphasic. Lucid Dream ATW.
Jul 27 22:34:38 <KinGAleX> maestro: Word.
Jul 27 22:34:42 <KinGAleX> I'm guessing I'll try it out when I finish school.
Jul 27 22:36:48 <Atilla> I would totally suck at polyphasic sleep.
Jul 27 22:37:10 <Atilla> It takes me about an hour just to fall asleep.
Jul 27 22:37:21 <Atilla> I'd spend all day in bed.
Jul 27 22:45:44 <KinGAleX> maestro: Would you be willing to be my polyphasic sleep buddy over the summer holidays?
Jul 27 22:46:00 <maestro> Heheh.
Jul 27 22:46:01 <maestro> Perhaps.
Jul 27 22:46:21 <KinGAleX> I wonder if I could do five hours at night, and five hours in the afternoon.
Jul 27 22:46:23 <KinGAleX> I'd totally dig that.
Jul 27 22:47:14 <maestro> Mm.
Jul 27 23:10:18 <KinGAleX> Does anyone else here sleep naked?
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Postby scythe » 2009.10.31 (08:42)

Tsukatu wrote: I should be able to schedule classes around it, and it'd go wonderfully with other lifestyle choices I've been meaning to make, such as eating smaller meals but more frequently and drinking substantially less alcohol in general. I've long been of the opinion that there are not enough hours in the day, so six extra would be very welcome.
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Postby Seneschal » 2009.10.31 (10:04)

Blackson wrote:Personally, I would be on a polyphasic schedule if it were possible with school; sadly it is not. My first summer out of High School I plan to convert (so much more time with college).
That's exactly what I was planning to do when I first heard about this.

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Postby moonlight » 2009.10.31 (14:38)

Wow, sounds great. I might try that sleep pattern one day.
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Postby Aldaric » 2009.10.31 (16:24)

Blackson wrote:Personally, I would be on a polyphasic schedule if it were possible with school; sadly it is not. My first summer out of High School I plan to convert (so much more time with college).
I could definitely sleep 20 mins. every 4 hours in my high school without there being a problem. :) Hell, I could sleep 4 hours every 20 mins.

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Postby otters~1 » 2009.11.04 (23:48)

I'm skeptical. Seems like you'd be on your feet so much more that you'd run out of energy, and doesn't sleep help your bone strength or something? Like, physiologically, we're conditioned to lie down for hours at a time, very regularly.

Oh well. I'd read more on Wikipedia but I'm really tired. ;)

EDIT: It would be Buckminster Fuller, wouldn't it? Also, way down at the bottom it mentions something about "social problems," which would indeed be prevalent, seems to me.
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Postby scythe » 2009.11.05 (18:11)

Growth occurs during sleep, in particular. I wouldn't recommend this to any male younger than 23 or any female younger than 19.
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Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2009.11.05 (21:34)

scythe33 wrote:Growth occurs during sleep, in particular. I wouldn't recommend this to any male younger than 23 or any female younger than 19.
I'm tall enough.
In fact, will polyphasic sleep help me shrink?
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Postby jean-luc » 2009.11.08 (04:22)

I really want to try polyphasic sleep sometime. Unfortunately, school and work schedule prohibits it for now. Perhaps one day I'll be self-employed with no social life?
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Postby Zephyr » 2009.11.08 (09:42)

Personally I think this will not work with me. You're getting much less sleep a day than usual, and I'd have trouble waking up after the 20 minutes.
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[13:50:57] <WorldCupE> ZEPH
[13:51:01] <WorldCupE> WHAT
[13:51:11] <WorldCupE> hpw
[13:51:12] <WorldCupE> how
[13:51:12] <Zeph> everyone wears out halfway through the match
[13:51:15] <WorldCupE> ._.
[13:51:17] <WorldCupE> you
[13:51:19] <WorldCupE> aren't
[13:51:20] <WorldCupE> here
[13:51:24] <WorldCupikaze> I think the broadcasters lowered the volume for certain frequencies
[13:51:35] <WorldCupikaze> WOAH
[13:51:38] <WorldCupikaze> STOP IT ZEPH
[13:51:46] <WorldCupE> he's in #n
[13:51:49] <WorldCupE> but not here
[13:51:58] <Zeph> that nz guy wasn't fouled
[13:52:05] <WorldCupikaze> DUBBLE YOO. TEE. EFF.
[13:52:05] <WorldCupikaze> STOPIT
[13:52:29] <WorldCupE> I don't think Zeph can read what we say
[13:52:38] <WorldCupikaze> No
[13:52:41] <WorldCupikaze> But it still happens
[13:52:46] <WorldCupE> xD
[13:52:47] <Zeph> holy shot I'm vibrating to 1950s relaxing jazz
[13:52:58] <WorldCupE> ZEPH
[13:53:01] <WorldCupE> CAN YOYU HEAR ME
[13:53:20] <WorldCupE> donfuy
[13:53:23] <WorldCupE> have you seen this
[13:53:35] <Donfuy> i can't
[13:53:43] <WorldCupE> can't what
[13:53:47] <WorldCupE> Zeph isn't here
[13:53:48] <WorldCupikaze> WHAT's GOING ON
[13:53:51] <WorldCupE> but is speaking
[13:53:51] <WorldCupE> D:
[13:53:58] <Donfuy> can't see what huh?
[13:54:06] <WorldCupikaze> IT'S THE APOCALYPSE
[13:54:10] <Donfuy> where's zeph o_o
[13:54:18] <WorldCupE> precisely
[13:54:21] <WorldCupikaze> Exactly
[13:55:21] <WorldCupikaze> call wide
[13:55:24] <Zeph> Pooh
[13:55:28] <WorldCupikaze> EH?
[13:55:37] <WorldCupikaze> OOOOOOOOoh
[13:55:38] <Zeph> amazing slide tackle saves day
[13:55:48] <WorldCupikaze> WHY ARE YOU TALKING YOU AREN'T HERE
[13:56:53] <WorldCupikaze> call wide
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Postby Mute Monk » 2009.11.09 (00:18)

For me, converting would be the hard part. It sounds damn interesting, but I'd end up giving up after a couple of tries. Although I do tend to run on very little sleep as it is, so perhaps I'm better built for polyphasic than I think.
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Postby epigone » 2009.11.13 (04:44)

I like sleeping way too much to sleep for only 4 hours at a time.
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Postby otters » 2009.11.16 (17:17)

Zephyr wrote:Personally I think this will not work with me. You're getting much less sleep a day than usual, and I'd have trouble waking up after the 20 minutes.
The whole point of polyphasic is that you get the sleep you need in a much shorter time, since you enter REM almost immediately.
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Postby Sniperwhere » 2009.11.16 (22:14)

I get about 4 hours of sleep a day on school days, but all at once. Then spend the next 20 hours awake wondering "Fuck, what did I do?"

This sounds like a change I couldn't successfully make. Once I fall asleep, I stay asleep, and if I'm not really tired, I don't sleep. I'd like to shake the hand of the people who do manage this, however. That's impressive.

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Postby noops » 2009.11.19 (13:01)

I was really itnerested in this 'till I read scthe's comment, and realized that my mom sure as hell would not go for this.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2009.11.19 (16:07)

My only concern here is that I own only one alarm clock, and I'm pretty sure you can't go back once you go... polyphasic.
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Postby Zephyr » 2009.11.20 (07:30)

I don't understand, what is the difference between REM sleep and normal sleep apart from the fact that your eyes move rapidly?
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Orange- N cannot be spoken, or even thought about in my household. If my parents ever found out that I have played N since the cleansing, my life would be ruined. I keep the game in a multi-passworded .rar on a USB flash drive inside a locked boron alloy container that requires two keys to open (I keep one under the 64th hammer in my piano, and the other one in a small section of removable ceiling in the corner of the attic) hidden in a wall compartment lined with aluminium foil to prevent sonar detection behind my 375 kg cupboard, which is bolted to the floor - the only way to reach it is to abseil outside the fourth floor window and use a screwdriver to unfasten the screws holding the secret brick in place on the opposite side of the wall, but the screwdriver must be a specific type like the one I own, since if any other screwdriver comes into contact with the screws, the entire building will explode, as will a seperate charge placed inside the boron alloy container, rendering the USB useless. Even once the container is retrieved, attemping to open it without the arming pin in place (which is kept inside the battery compartment of my Maglite) will cause the water reservoirs lining the container to burst and react with the caesium lining, causing the container to burst into flames - the only way to prevent this is to use the arming pins to shut off the reservoirs with a sliding steel door. The USB itself contains an accelerometer linked to an explosive charge, meaning that if the USB detects its own movement speed as being greater than 5 cm/s, it will explode - any person attempting to steal it would have to move at a uselessly slow speed. Once plugged into a computer, the USB will upload a ghost virus onto it, leaving no traces. Only the right password can deactivate this virus, and if it is left on the computer for more than six hours, it will format all drives.

As you can see, I take my N playing very seriously.

Guiseppi- I'd much rather watch animals get boned in the ass.

Yanni- If it's glad, it's not rape.

Tsukatu- I refuse to use throw-away bags for such a frequent purpose as buying groceries. Instead, I've collected the hair of my two pet dogs and have woven them together into an all-natural, 100% environmentally friendly bag that I bring with me everywhere. And when I buy products that come in glass and plastic containers, I track down the company that packages them and ship back their containers so that they don't take up space in landfills.


Yeah, I use plastic.

Tsukatu- I hear Ebony Online is great, too. Cum save your princess, my lord!

Ska- UR MUM LIKE IS SPICY

Ska- why d i get the feeling what i typed will end up in the quote depository; or worse: someone's sig.

KinGAleX- I did it on the couch a little while ago.

Zeph- I got too pissed at the knife in the end so I just broke the wood on my knee

[13:50:29] |<-- Zeph has left irc.mountai.net (Quit: Zeph)
[13:50:53] <Zeph> omfg 1950s jazz :D
[13:50:57] <WorldCupE> ZEPH
[13:51:01] <WorldCupE> WHAT
[13:51:11] <WorldCupE> hpw
[13:51:12] <WorldCupE> how
[13:51:12] <Zeph> everyone wears out halfway through the match
[13:51:15] <WorldCupE> ._.
[13:51:17] <WorldCupE> you
[13:51:19] <WorldCupE> aren't
[13:51:20] <WorldCupE> here
[13:51:24] <WorldCupikaze> I think the broadcasters lowered the volume for certain frequencies
[13:51:35] <WorldCupikaze> WOAH
[13:51:38] <WorldCupikaze> STOP IT ZEPH
[13:51:46] <WorldCupE> he's in #n
[13:51:49] <WorldCupE> but not here
[13:51:58] <Zeph> that nz guy wasn't fouled
[13:52:05] <WorldCupikaze> DUBBLE YOO. TEE. EFF.
[13:52:05] <WorldCupikaze> STOPIT
[13:52:29] <WorldCupE> I don't think Zeph can read what we say
[13:52:38] <WorldCupikaze> No
[13:52:41] <WorldCupikaze> But it still happens
[13:52:46] <WorldCupE> xD
[13:52:47] <Zeph> holy shot I'm vibrating to 1950s relaxing jazz
[13:52:58] <WorldCupE> ZEPH
[13:53:01] <WorldCupE> CAN YOYU HEAR ME
[13:53:20] <WorldCupE> donfuy
[13:53:23] <WorldCupE> have you seen this
[13:53:35] <Donfuy> i can't
[13:53:43] <WorldCupE> can't what
[13:53:47] <WorldCupE> Zeph isn't here
[13:53:48] <WorldCupikaze> WHAT's GOING ON
[13:53:51] <WorldCupE> but is speaking
[13:53:51] <WorldCupE> D:
[13:53:58] <Donfuy> can't see what huh?
[13:54:06] <WorldCupikaze> IT'S THE APOCALYPSE
[13:54:10] <Donfuy> where's zeph o_o
[13:54:18] <WorldCupE> precisely
[13:54:21] <WorldCupikaze> Exactly
[13:55:21] <WorldCupikaze> call wide
[13:55:24] <Zeph> Pooh
[13:55:28] <WorldCupikaze> EH?
[13:55:37] <WorldCupikaze> OOOOOOOOoh
[13:55:38] <Zeph> amazing slide tackle saves day
[13:55:48] <WorldCupikaze> WHY ARE YOU TALKING YOU AREN'T HERE
[13:56:53] <WorldCupikaze> call wide
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[13:32:44] <Zeph> fucking irc app
[13:32:47] <WorldCupE> O_O
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