Retronet is here.

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Yes, we know it's a bit off. We're working on it. If you see any bugs, tell us. Meanwhile, enjoy the new lighthearted fluid layout.

[Chase]

Wheeeee.

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This response is extraneous. I need to fix a problem.

[Chase]

Yes, we know some images are not there.

Yes, we know that the lines don't reach the bottom.

[SlappyMcGee]

It's too bright, and difficult to differentiate between posts, and also, why put names and stuff over on the right? That's unconventional because it makes less sense. And Submit is on the far right? :/

[otters]

It's too bright

...?

Also, whenever LV comes in, this is for him. http://pastebin.com/m75859eb5

[Chase]

It's too bright, and difficult to differentiate between posts, and also, why put names and stuff over on the right? That's unconventional because it makes less sense. And Submit is on the far right? :/

1. ?
2. Not really, giant blue bars aren't obvious?
3. We held an IRC vote, and most users didn't have a problem with the right side stuff.
4. Just you I'm afraid.

[Donfuy]

and also, why put names and stuff over on the right? That's unconventional because it makes less sense.:/

I totally agree with that.

And what's with small icons on each topic?

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Why does it make less sense?

[SlappyMcGee]

Like, having this gigantic light, light grey page with text on it is extremely bright. Like, I can see my eyes hurting after browsing the page for a good while at night. That isn't a major complaint; in fact, I have no major complaints, because your theme gives me absolutely no reason to abandon hermes unless I want unnecessary change.

The second point I will concede because I was getting lost in topics due to the lack of sigs for some people. I realize this is a bug, and I'm sorry for thinking this was an intrinsic part of the theme.

Moving avatars to the right is probably an aesthetic choice, and one that I believe is poor, so I can let go of that. But when you do things like switch around submit and save and preview for absolutely no apparent reason (unless this is the convention in other themes than Hermes, but certainly what you've done is different from Hermes) makes me wonder whether or not you just made changes to be different.

But I can also be positive. While the theme could have used more darker greys, the banner is fantastic.

EDIT: It makes less sense because you don't know who has made a post until after you read it, assuming you read in Western English traditional.

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EDIT: It makes less sense because you don't know who has made a post until after you read it, assuming you read in Western English traditional.

Ohhh. Well. I understand it now. You think taking down the background brightness would make it a more easily readable skin?

Also, after changing my configuration to Hermes and back, I see what you mean about the three posting buttons being in different positions. Is it honestly that big of a deal?

Edit: Hermes is wonderful at night. I like Retronet better in the daytime, but Hermes is certainly easier on the eyes when it gets late. But then again, the same would be true for any light-colored skin. Unless you, Slappy, prefer not using light-colored skins at all.

[aids]

Seeing as I've never changed from mergenine, how do I get it?

[SlappyMcGee]

I'll have to wait until day to tell you whether the theme works better during the day.

[Tunco]

Seriously, profiles at the left of the page is a choice of aesthetics but I don't seem to be split up with my old habits, I look left to see a profile of someone, everytime, but this is my opinion and a very big thing so it ok.

And the topic icons, PM icons, everything. They seem to be very small. I like the new font though, looks nice. Also because of the minimalistic desing of the skin I feel like I'm using Google Chrome themed forum, which is cool. Besides, everything is ok for me but it hurts my eyes dude, I agree with Slappy. I guess I will continue sticking with m9 for a while.

E: Also I've realized Retronet loads faster than any other skins.

[Spawn of Yanni]

Well, surely since the general consensus in the original design thread was that this was a sweet-looking skin, there must be a whole lot of appreciators out there still.

[aids]

I had a hard time reading the white text on Slappy's sig, so I think the background on the skin should be a shade darker, maybe even a dark blue.

But, I like the poster info on the right; it helps deter page-widening posts.

Also, the top part is great, but the Metanet M is too big. I looks like "I N" instead. Maybe make that smaller.

[Chase]

I had a hard time reading the white text on Slappy's sig, so I think the background on the skin should be a shade darker, maybe even a dark blue.

But, I like the poster info on the right; it helps deter page-widening posts.

Also, the top part is great, but the Metanet M is too big. I looks like "I N" instead. Maybe make that smaller.

But who'd use white text unless on a dark skin. These conflicts are always around, and it happens. Quite often before Spoilers existed we used white text to hide things.

Also surely you would have checked the preview site and voiced your opinion beforehand? We've been discussing this for a long period of time and that site has always been up. So this shouldn't be an issue surely?

But as Yanni noted, it seems that as soon as the skin actually gets implemented we get the complaints. Do us a favour and tell us beforehand. Save us reuploading a new version every time there's something that isn't right.

[otters]

http://pastebin.com/m3195f48d is the updated Retronet CSS which puts the profile box on the left.

Anyone with ACP access can edit the "retronet" theme and replace the current code with the link above.

[Donfuy]

Also surely you would have checked the preview site and voiced your opinion beforehand? We've been discussing this for a long period of time and that site has always been up. So this shouldn't be an issue surely?

But as Yanni noted, it seems that as soon as the skin actually gets implemented we get the complaints. Do us a favour and tell us beforehand. Save us reuploading a new version every time there's something that isn't right.

I had already complained about the small icons (both on Chrome and Retronet) and every time incluye showed how Retronet was looking, I complained about how the user information was on the right, and why it didn't make sense.

I don't really care about those buttons Slappy was talking about. Minor things that I can get used to in no time.

[Chase]

http://localhostr.com/files/038d85/GroupImages.zip

New images for the member groups.

[SlappyMcGee]

Lemmee just say that I don't care that my sig doesn't show up on other skins. There's nothing that can be done about that.

And Chase, you seem very frustrated by honest criticisms. I and others have reasoned our complaints to you, and you seem more pissed off that there are dissenters than anything. Our only intention is to make the skin better, not to piss you off.

[Tunco]

Lemmee just say that I don't care that my sig doesn't show up on other skins. There's nothing that can be done about that.

And Chase, you seem very frustrated by honest criticisms. I and others have reasoned our complaints to you, and you seem more pissed off that there are dissenters than anything. Our only intention is to make the skin better, not to piss you off.

http://localhostr.com/files/038d85/GroupImages.zip

New images for the member groups.

For the record, I really, really, really like those images. Reminds me the ones at the old forums, but these are better. And I agree with Slappy though; no offense Chase but you seem to be pissed off because we're pissed off with the skin 'cuz of a few minor/major bugs. That's ain't good.

[otters]

Lemmee just say that I don't care that my sig doesn't show up on other skins. There's nothing that can be done about that.

Well, honestly, you could just remove the color tags and let it default to the color each skin specifies.

[Chase]

Lemmee just say that I don't care that my sig doesn't show up on other skins. There's nothing that can be done about that.

And Chase, you seem very frustrated by honest criticisms. I and others have reasoned our complaints to you, and you seem more pissed off that there are dissenters than anything. Our only intention is to make the skin better, not to piss you off.

Ok, I'm not trying to come off aggrivated at this, and I don't mean to, nor am I annoyed at you for it. I'm glad that there's reasoning behind all your complaints, and they aren't just out of the blue. It's just that, I don't know. The reason behind it might be because I remember discussing this with the folks in IRC often, and didn't recieve the complaints that I'm recieving now. I think it's more confusion/frustration than anything. Another thing is that when everyone is posting, everyone is posting negatively, there's never much positive feedback through the forums of this. Generally a "That is awesome" but not much more.

I've discussed with Donfuy about the icons, and I'm in the process of creating a larger set of icons for the forums. The larger size means I can fit more in and I get more space to breathe. Hopefully these should look much better and fit into the skin more.

Larger Icons

[Tunco]

Lemmee just say that I don't care that my sig doesn't show up on other skins. There's nothing that can be done about that.

And Chase, you seem very frustrated by honest criticisms. I and others have reasoned our complaints to you, and you seem more pissed off that there are dissenters than anything. Our only intention is to make the skin better, not to piss you off.

Ok, I'm not trying to come off aggrivated at this, and I don't mean to, nor am I annoyed at you for it. I'm glad that there's reasoning behind all your complaints, and they aren't just out of the blue. It's just that, I don't know. The reason behind it might be because I remember discussing this with the folks in IRC often, and didn't recieve the complaints that I'm recieving now. I think it's more confusion/frustration than anything.Another thing is that when everyone is posting, everyone is posting negatively, there's never much positive feedback through the forums of this. Generally a "That is awesome" but not much more.

Main reason for that is not all of us has the chance to catch you at IRC and talk about -/+ 's of the skin when it was at the building phase, I'm sorry, I would love to talk with you about it but I didn't had the time and couldn't catch you on IRC. That's probably the main reason why you're getting most of the negative comments now, after the skin is out. Also the reason why people don't give much positive feedback is everyone wants a perfect looking and working skin, and if there is a lot of things with the skin that people don't like about it, sure, they will see negative ways of the skin before it's positive ways (e.g. this topic and the skin) 'cuz it seems to me that there are more number of - 's of the skin than the number of the + 's, or - 's of the skin is more voyant than + 's, that' how I see it.

I appreciate your work and your effort on this skin, though you don't take money for making this skin. And I know that we could see the skin from forum.joeldt but people don't see negative ways of the skin before it's avaible for use, imo. Good work so far. In despite of a few minor/major bugs this skin is a 'perfect skin', imo.

;D