Premarital Sex

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I generally agree with everything you've said in this thread, Suki, but I just want to clarify something with you. You aren't proposing that the combination of your formative years and a self-imposed abstinence will, of themselves, yield any noticable neuroses, are you? Because I think that's ridiculous. I would not be hard-pressed at all to find two people, one of whom has had sex eight times this week and one of whom is a virgin, and you wouldn't be able to tell me with any sort of certainty which is which because they are both equally happy, well-adjusted people. I'm not arguing in any way for abstinence or even that a number of restrictions on our natural urges will have a negative effect but you're making it sound like not having sex before you're 27 will inevitably turn you into a rapist and I think it would be beneficial to your argument if you were to clarify that this isn't what you think.

... if that's not what you think, of course.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

I generally agree with everything you've said in this thread, Suki, but I just want to clarify something with you. You aren't proposing that the combination of your formative years and a self-imposed abstinence will, of themselves, yield any noticable neuroses, are you? Because I think that's ridiculous. I would not be hard-pressed at all to find two people, one of whom has had sex eight times this week and one of whom is a virgin, and you wouldn't be able to tell me with any sort of certainty which is which because they are both equally happy, well-adjusted people. I'm not arguing in any way for abstinence or even that a number of restrictions on our natural urges will have a negative effect but you're making it sound like not having sex before you're 27 will inevitably turn you into a rapist and I think it would be beneficial to your argument if you were to clarify that this isn't what you think.

... if that's not what you think, of course.

Haha, no, of course not. I suppose I could have done better to stress that I'm talking about total repression of your libido, where that circumstance implies that there's some overbearing guilt about the whole issue of sex. If imagery helps, picture someone curled up in the fetal position in the corner of his room and crying because he doesn't understand why Satan keeps giving him boners. Maybe he writes synonyms of "dirty" and "disgusting" all over his body with sharpie, or whips himself, or something; I wouldn't know because I've never been there. But that's the brand of repression I'm talking about, because I (possibly mistakenly) associate the "no premarital sex" crowd with the anti-masturbation league. I wouldn't trust a virgin who has never scaled his flagpole any further than I can throw him, but as for anyone else who knows how to take care of himself, I don't see that they'd be have any sort of unhealthy mental or emotional issues whatsoever.

[SlappyMcGee]

the fetal position in the corner of his room and crying because he doesn't understand why Satan keeps giving him boners. Maybe he writes synonyms of "dirty" and "disgusting" all over his body with sharpie, or whips himself,

What if we do those things -while- we are having sex?

[Aldaric]

the fetal position in the corner of his room and crying because he doesn't understand why Satan keeps giving him boners. Maybe he writes synonyms of "dirty" and "disgusting" all over his body with sharpie, or whips himself,

What if we do those things -while- we are having sex?

I have very vivid images in my mind. Good images.

[otters]

If imagery helps, picture someone curled up in the fetal position in the corner of his room and crying because he doesn't understand why Satan keeps giving him boners. Maybe he writes synonyms of "dirty" and "disgusting" all over his body with sharpie, or whips himself, or something; I wouldn't know because I've never been there.

Surely that accounts for too small of a minority to account for any number of rapists at large today.

Edit: used "account" as a verb twice in the same sentence. I am shamed and must now fade from the public eye.

[jean-luc]

If imagery helps, picture someone curled up in the fetal position in the corner of his room and crying because he doesn't understand why Satan keeps giving him boners. Maybe he writes synonyms of "dirty" and "disgusting" all over his body with sharpie, or whips himself, or something; I wouldn't know because I've never been there.

Surely that accounts for too small of a minority to account for any number of rapists at large today.

Edit: used "account" as a verb twice in the same sentence. I am shamed and must now fade from the public eye.

I don't see that it has to be that severe to have an effect in some people. It can generally be agreed that many rapists probably have a mental predisposition (as a matter of personality or perhaps mental illness). The same sort of position on sex, or I should say opposition to sex, may cause absolutely no trouble in one (perhaps 'normal') person. In another person, though, the libido may be more severe or they may have a predisposition to obsessive violence, and we get rapists. So, is the opposition to sex the problem? I take the position that people and their motivations are too complex to blame issues like rape on one single social artifact.

[scythe]

Haha, no, of course not. I suppose I could have done better to stress that I'm talking about total repression of your libido, where that circumstance implies that there's some overbearing guilt about the whole issue of sex. If imagery helps, picture someone curled up in the fetal position in the corner of his room and crying because he doesn't understand why Satan keeps giving him boners. Maybe he writes synonyms of "dirty" and "disgusting" all over his body with sharpie, or whips himself, or something; I wouldn't know because I've never been there. But that's the brand of repression I'm talking about, because I (possibly mistakenly) associate the "no premarital sex" crowd with the anti-masturbation league. I wouldn't trust a virgin who has never scaled his flagpole any further than I can throw him, but as for anyone else who knows how to take care of himself, I don't see that they'd be have any sort of unhealthy mental or emotional issues whatsoever.

Exhibit A?

[jinxed_07]

Don't risk getting pregnant before you get married, all I have to say atm.

[Rose]

Despite the fact that I'm a Christian, I don't think it's wrong to have sexual relations before marriage (oh my god a laid-back religious guy what're the odds). People are free to do whatever they want within the boundaries of the law. I am choosing, however, to wait until marriage (or at least engagement) to have sex, mainly because of the whole STD thing and pregnancy and all that shit. And I do believe that saving it can make the occasion special, but again, it's each individual's choice. As for the whole neurosis thing? It's called masturbation.

Sorry if all of that was covered already; a lot of posts in this thread were tl;dr so I only read the first ten or so.

[SlappyMcGee]

Despite the fact that I'm a Christian, I don't think it's wrong to have sexual relations before marriage (oh my god a laid-back religious guy what're the odds). People are free to do whatever they want within the boundaries of the law. I am choosing, however, to wait until marriage (or at least engagement) to have sex, mainly because of the whole STD thing and pregnancy and all that shit. And I do believe that saving it can make the occasion special, but again, it's each individual's choice. As for the whole neurosis thing? It's called masturbation.

Sorry if all of that was covered already; a lot of posts in this thread were tl;dr so I only read the first ten or so.

A laid back Christian is somebody who has consciously decided to believe in Hell and go to it. Enjoy an eternity in horrible pain!

[otters]

A laid back Christian is somebody who has consciously decided to believe in Hell and go to it. Enjoy an eternity in horrible pain!

Seriously though, what?

[SlappyMcGee]

A laid back Christian is somebody who has consciously decided to believe in Hell and go to it. Enjoy an eternity in horrible pain!

Seriously though, what?

Seriously, if somebody says they are a Christian but "laid back", they are saying that they believe in Hell (as per being Christians) but that they have decided not to follow rules (defined by the Bible) and have instead decided to go to Hell. They fully believe in and embrace the idea of going to Hell.

I mean, if I thought Hell existed, I would not have premarital sex, or sell cocaine to minors. Luckily, I'm rational.

[Rose]

A laid back Christian is somebody who has consciously decided to believe in Hell and go to it. Enjoy an eternity in horrible pain!

Seriously though, what?

Seriously, if somebody says they are a Christian but "laid back", they are saying that they believe in Hell (as per being Christians) but that they have decided not to follow rules (defined by the Bible) and have instead decided to go to Hell. They fully believe in and embrace the idea of going to Hell.

I mean, if I thought Hell existed, I would not have premarital sex, or sell cocaine to minors. Luckily, I'm rational.

No no no. You misunderstand. I'm laid back when it comes to others' choices. I follow the Bible, but I'm not going to lose my shit on people who don't.

[Skyling]

Premarital sex makes me hot!

[smartalco]

Seriously, if somebody says they are a Christian but "laid back", they are saying that they believe in Hell (as per being Christians) but that they have decided not to follow rules (defined by the Bible) and have instead decided to go to Hell. They fully believe in and embrace the idea of going to Hell.

I'm catholic, and described by my friends as one of the most laid back people you'll ever meet. I'm still wondering why this makes me go to hell. (Because I don't actively (or even passively) try to convert other people to christianity?)

[yungerkid]

Have you ever experienced true sex? True sex?

[SlappyMcGee]

Seriously, if somebody says they are a Christian but "laid back", they are saying that they believe in Hell (as per being Christians) but that they have decided not to follow rules (defined by the Bible) and have instead decided to go to Hell. They fully believe in and embrace the idea of going to Hell.

I'm catholic, and described by my friends as one of the most laid back people you'll ever meet. I'm still wondering why this makes me go to hell. (Because I don't actively (or even passively) try to convert other people to christianity?)

Maybe you should re-read the topic and understand the connotation of laid back and why I used it in quotes. The way he referred to laid back was in such a way as to describe the way he actively follows the tenets of his religion. I didn't say that laid back people are going to Hell.

[Rose]

Seriously, if somebody says they are a Christian but "laid back", they are saying that they believe in Hell (as per being Christians) but that they have decided not to follow rules (defined by the Bible) and have instead decided to go to Hell. They fully believe in and embrace the idea of going to Hell.

I'm catholic, and described by my friends as one of the most laid back people you'll ever meet. I'm still wondering why this makes me go to hell. (Because I don't actively (or even passively) try to convert other people to christianity?)

Maybe you should re-read the topic and understand the connotation of laid back and why I used it in quotes. The way he referred to laid back was in such a way as to describe the way he actively follows the tenets of his religion. I didn't say that laid back people are going to Hell.

No no no. You misunderstand. I'm laid back when it comes to others' choices. I follow the Bible, but I'm not going to lose my shit on people who don't.

[otters~1]

Really confused. Is there a pun involving the word 'laid' that I'm missing here?

[SlappyMcGee]

Really confused. Is there a pun involving the word 'laid' that I'm missing here?

maxson said he was laid back so he did not preach to others about fucking hoes before Marriage.
I pointed out that a laid-back Christian (as in, somebody who does not follow the Bible strictly) is somebody who embraces Hell.
Misunderstanding.
smartalco was trying to figure out why being a cool guy made you go to hell.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

smartalco was trying to figure out why being a cool guy made you go to hell.

Oh, well I can answer that for you.
"that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." -Luke 16:15
I'm godless, and I hold being a cool guy in high esteem. Therefore it's an abomination to God.

[smartalco]

I'm godless, and I hold being a cool guy in high esteem. Therefore it's an abomination to God.

But you are a god. Which raises the question, can God create a god that he can not lift?

[SlappyMcGee]

I'm godless, and I hold being a cool guy in high esteem. Therefore it's an abomination to God.

But you are a god. Which raises the question, can God create a god that he can not lift?

And more importantly, at what point did Jesus' fetus become a human being?

[otters~1]

I pointed out that a laid-back Christian (as in, somebody who does not follow the Bible strictly) is somebody who embraces Hell.

This was the bit I did not follow.

[smartalco]

I'm godless, and I hold being a cool guy in high esteem. Therefore it's an abomination to God.

But you are a god. Which raises the question, can God create a god that he can not lift?

And more importantly, at what point did Jesus' fetus become a human being?

After the first wise-man's there. (stretching the limits of rhyming a bit)