Tool-Assisted Highscores/Speedruns

[TheRealOne]

76-4 looks like a real-time demo just because it doesn't actually involve any good trick. :(

You didn't see the close drone dodges? D:

The map has more than 15 bb's. D:

Just because tricks are possible doesn't mean they are the fastest route; especially with bounce blocks because of the delay time for double, triple, and quad jumps. It is often faster just to do a normal jump off them.

[Fenneth]

Well I just spent an hour and a half trying to do one of these on 20-0 (simplest map I thought), and my demo ended up 3 frames slower than xaelar/angerfist. I don't think I'm cut out for this =[

[Raif]

20-0 Highscore (0.050 faster than kryX/xela, TRO did most of this demo, I just helped him out with the end)
61-1 Highscore (2.700 faster than xela)
85-2 Highscore/Speedrun (0.875 / 35 frames faster than L3X)
89-2 Speedrun (35 frames than Meta, Edit:- 13 frames now :P)

Non-legit Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71813.950
Hours - 19.948
Frames - 2872558
Seconds left until 20 hours - 186.050
Frames left until 20 hours - 7442

Number of Seconds Gained Over Legit Runs - 120.575
Average Seconds Gained per demo - 1.159
Number of Frames Gained over Legit Runs - 4823
Average Frames Gained Per Demo - 46.375

**Includes all FBF demos, underclocked demos and MBDs.**

[Meta Ing]

89-2 speed is odd, because moh and I both came up with the exact same innov on our own, but when I did it, I thought it was slower, then when moh did it, he proved it was faster.

[TheRealOne]

85-2 Highscore/Speedrun (0.875 / 35 frames faster than L3X)

I threw up in my mouth at little at how awesome that was.

[xaelar]

I tried 61-1 but it is undoable by a human :D

Could you create a demo for 65-0 moh? Should be about 121.4 without innovations / route changes.

[Raif]

I tried 61-1 but it is undoable by a human :D

Yeah, since if you do the jump under the drone one frame later than I do now, the other drone doesn't come back up.

Could you create a demo for 65-0 moh? Should be about 121.4 without innovations / route changes.

Sure. For this Saturday possibly.

[eru_bahagon]

Most of the run are just awesome. =)

It's incredible how much time you can save without doing anything "undoable" (i mean, no funny tricks and no innovation), like on 00-3. Well, cj help, but 1.775, wow.

We -human- are as slow as that :O

[Raif]

59-3 Highscore (6.700 faster than xela)
65-0 Highscore (0.250 faster than xela, and yes that is a tile bwj at around 300 frames)
(I know it's only 2 demos but my exams start in a week and I am not going to be making any demos until they finish so I though I'd post what I had)

Non-legit Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71823.875
Hours - 19.951
Frames - 2872955
Seconds left until 20 hours - 176.125
Frames left until 20 hours - 7045

Number of Seconds Gained Over Legit Runs - 124.350
Average Seconds Gained per demo - 1.219
Number of Frames Gained over Legit Runs - 4974
Average Frames Gained Per Demo - 48.765

**Includes all FBF demos, underclocked demos and MBDs.**

[ska]

59-3 Highscore (6.700 faster than xela)
65-0 Highscore (0.250 faster than xela, and yes that is a tile bwj at around 300 frames)
(I know it's only 2 demos but my exams start in a week and I am not going to be making any demos until they finish so I though I'd post what I had)

Non-legit Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71823.875
Hours - 19.951
Frames - 2872955
Seconds left until 20 hours - 176.125
Frames left until 20 hours - 7045

Number of Seconds Gained Over Legit Runs - 124.350
Average Seconds Gained per demo - 1.219
Number of Frames Gained over Legit Runs - 4974
Average Frames Gained Per Demo - 48.765

**Includes all FBF demos, underclocked demos and MBDs.**

Absolutely Amazing runs!

I've put my 67-0 innovation here as well just for reference (It's far from perfect... just demonstrating the route change that van and I concocted...)
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[Raif]

01-0 Highscore (0.875 faster than my old demo, 2.000 faster than xela with van's innov)
41-1 Highscore (1.250 faster than van)
80-1 Highscore (1.875 faster than kryX)
87-0 Highscore (0.500 faster than ANGERFIST)
90-1 Highscore (0.425 faster than Bonzai)

Non-legit Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71834.225
Hours - 19.954
Frames - 2873369
Seconds left until 20 hours - 165.775
Frames left until 20 hours - 6631

Number of Seconds Gained Over Legit Runs - 129.025
Average Seconds Gained per demo - 1.277
Number of Frames Gained over Legit Runs - 5161
Average Frames Gained Per Demo - 51.099

**Includes all FBF demos, underclocked demos and MBDs.**

[vankusss]

41-1 is one of your top demos with no doubt, probably the most sweet demo i've ever seen.

[TheRealOne]

41-1 is sick because through that entire run you only touched flat ground for 1 frame.
80-1 I was shocked that you got that much out of it. Your ending was fantastic.
90-1 getting that gold from under the drone looks crazy when you actually watch for it. I missed it like the first 3 times I watched it.

I have no doubt that we the community will close in on 20 hours soon enough especially with runs like these. You saved 197 frames in those 5 runs. Well done.

[Raif]

35-3 Highscore, 2.250 faster than van
35-3 Speedrun, 6 frames faster than kryX
37-3 Highscore, 7.225 faster than Mr_Lim (I tried to beat that drone real hard with may different routes, but I couldn't and at last I ended up losing more than a 100 frames D: ska helped me a lot with the different routes and innovs, so a big thanks to him. van also helped me to test the ending.)
91-2 Highscore, 4.125 faster than zj820

Non-legit Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71849.000
Hours - 19.958
Frames - 2873960
Seconds left until 20 hours - 151.000
Frames left until 20 hours - 6040

Number of Seconds Gained Over Legit Runs - 142.475
Average Seconds Gained per demo - 1.383
Number of Frames Gained over Legit Runs - 5699
Average Frames Gained Per Demo - 55.330

**Includes all FBF demos, underclocked demos and MBDs.**

My Stats

Number of Runs - 70
Number of Seconds Gained Over Legit Runs - 127.575
Average Seconds Gained per demo - 1.823
Number of Frames Gained over Legit Runs - 5103 (Over 5k :P)
Average Frames Gained Per Demo - 72.900

[EddyMataGallos]

omg cool demos :)

[RandomDigits]

Wow, those are seriously awesome!
Here's something I've been wondering for a while: what is demo splicing? I'm assuming it's different from manually built...

[golf]

The way I understand demo splicing (since I haven't done it, I'm not entirely sure) is that you play a map in parts in NED, starting one section where you end another section, and stick the demo data for the second section onto the end of the demo data for the first section, and so on for all the other sections. This allows you to go through a difficult map part by part instead of all at once.

[RandomDigits]

Hmm... The ninja would have to stop between sections, I assume... And you'd have to pause at a frame count that's divisible by 7
I'm definitely curious about this.

[TheRealOne]

Demo splicing is what I did here scroll down for my demo: http://www.nmaps.net/157307 You will notice that the ninja stops every so often that is where i spliced the demo together. As far as I know you can not be moving when the splice happens other wise the demo will come unsynced. basically I made each part individually, but I have to make sure that the ninja lines up perfectly to the pixel of where the last demo left off. If N had savestates you could splice while moving, but we can only hope for that and rerecording in v1.5

MBDing is writing the demo in code rather than actually playing, whereas I play each part in FBF or real time and spliced them together.

[ska]

If N had savestates you could splice while moving, but we can only hope for that and rerecording in v1.5

MBDing is writing the demo in code rather than actually playing, whereas I play each part in FBF or real time and spliced them together.

Yes - this add-on into 1.5 would be fantastic rather than compromising with a 3rd party program and this would allow "TASing" to be much more efficient.
Secondly, The only thing that really separates TAS runs from MBD runs is that TAS runs are usually played in real-time (albeit, usually slowed down to aid accuracy, then re-recorded if necessary to optimise gameplay.) 'MBDs' imo are a lot harder to create considering that you need to almost mathematically create the runs and a lot of trial and error is needed to be successful. Also, it goes without saying moh, you are the pioneer of MBDing and also a great asset to the highscoring community in general.
So thanks.

[Raif]

00-2 Highscore, 0.300 faster than my old demo, 1.025 faster than Lim
13-1 Highscore, 1.025 faster than van, 1.075 faster than my old demo
27-3 Highscore, 2.150 faster than xela
55-0 Highscore, 8.825 faster than van

Non-legit Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71873.850
Hours - 19.965
Frames - 2874954
Seconds left until 20 hours - 126.150
Frames left until 20 hours - 5046

Number of Seconds Gained Over Legit Runs - 153.775
Average Seconds Gained per demo - 1.451
Number of Frames Gained over Legit Runs - 6151 (Over 6000 :D)
Average Frames Gained Per Demo - 58.028

**Includes all FBF demos, underclocked demos and MBDs.**

[vankusss]

55-0 Highscore, 8.825 faster than van

hmmm, i'm gonna beat that uh
seriously, awesome, i don't think the community will EVER see anything this amazing, this is the end of anything community was ever trying to do

[Raif]

07-3 Highscore, 2.125 faster than xaelar
11-2 Highscore, 0.425 faster than ska
81-1 Highscore, 13.675 faster than xaelar (100th MBD too)

Non-legit Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71896.500
Hours - 19.971
Frames - 2875860
Seconds left until 20 hours - 103.500
Frames left until 20 hours - 4140

Number of Seconds Gained Over Legit Runs - 170.000
Average Seconds Gained per demo - 1.560
Number of Frames Gained over Legit Runs - 6800
Average Frames Gained Per Demo - 62.385

**Includes all FBF demos, underclocked demos and MBDs.**

[vankusss]

81-1 Highscore, 13.675 faster than xaelar (100th MBD too)

incredible

[ska]

81-1 Highscore, 13.675 faster than xaelar (100th MBD too)

incredible