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Postby a happy song » 2010.07.15 (15:11)

Luminaflare wrote:Sorry but i really can't get my head around the latter part of akira in live action. If this means replica bikes though awesome.
Well, it's an adaptation of the manga, not the anime, so there's a heap load more of that weird shit that'll be difficult to translate well /but/ it's much more flowing and explained and across two films (as they say is the plan) it certainly has the potential to be decent.
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Postby blackson » 2010.07.16 (07:21)

I just got back from this; it's worth the inflated ticket price.

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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.07.16 (20:47)

I have my ticket for tomorrow night at midnight, after the Sorcerer's Apprentice. Excited.
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Postby unoriginal name » 2010.07.16 (22:21)

Go see this movie.

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Postby Pheidippides » 2010.07.17 (14:13)

I saw this last night, and I'm probably going to see it again. Very worth it.
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Postby a happy song » 2010.07.17 (15:46)

Excellent film. Well worth the time spent.

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Postby heatwave » 2010.07.17 (16:39)

I'll definitely have to see this now.
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Postby Kablizzy » 2010.07.17 (17:09)

Not quite up to my expectations, but definitely a movie that I'll own, and a movie that I'll certainly watch again. Amazing film, and in all fairness, I had some extremely high expectations of it, so not a knock to the movie per se, but to my expectations of it being blown slightly out of proportion.
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Postby a happy song » 2010.07.17 (18:41)

Kablizzy wrote:Not quite up to my expectations, but definitely a movie that I'll own, and a movie that I'll certainly watch again. Amazing film, and in all fairness, I had some extremely high expectations of it, so not a knock to the movie per se, but to my expectations of it being blown slightly out of proportion.
I'll admit to feeling a little wary after the first 40 minutes or so, but as soon as the latter part kicked in all of my expectations were realised.

I can't wait to watch it again.
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Postby blackson » 2010.07.17 (21:08)

a happy song wrote:I'll admit to feeling a little wary after the first 40 minutes or so, but as soon as the latter part kicked in all of my expectations were realised.

I can't wait to watch it again.
Although the first bit was a tad slow, all of it was needed so that you understand the last half of the movie.

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Postby a happy song » 2010.07.17 (21:21)

Blackson wrote:
a happy song wrote:I'll admit to feeling a little wary after the first 40 minutes or so, but as soon as the latter part kicked in all of my expectations were realised.

I can't wait to watch it again.
Although the first bit was a tad slow, all of it was needed so that you understand the last half of the movie.
Aye, it makes sense as as the film progresses and, without it, it could have been a convoluted mess.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.07.18 (15:06)

Review Time!

This movie was, in effect, awesome. I enjoyed the way they defied genre conventions; they added science to a fantasy idea, and thus, expanded it. It made for an interesting look into what limits their power and it also led to some great action beats.

While the direction was solid, much like the Bruck's other films, it had an over reliance on CGI at time. There was a lot of action, though, so I understand their need to keep the film under budget. Needless to say, when the CGI was used, it was effectively done.

Of particular note was recurring motifs; scores of music as well as objects in the film recurred (no spoilers) to great thematic effect. I found the ambition in this element of the screenwriting ambitious, especially when you know your target audience.

Dialogue was solid, although maybe too jokey for the subject matter. When you adapt something as serious as what the filmmakers choose to adapt, even while trying to meet American audiences, you should probably pay some respect to the original intent.

Of particular note is Baruchel, who, despite being outclassed by Cage in most of his scenes, holds up as nervous guy actor effectively. I haven't seen much of him since Undeclared, but I believe his career took a real step up with this.

All in all, I'd have to say this is a great family film that anybody should see and enjoy, but leave your pretension at the door.

8/10

PS. I also saw Inception on my way out AND IT WAS THE BEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN
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Postby rocket_thumped » 2010.07.18 (18:32)

I loved Inception. I'm not sure why the critics are down on this, it was leaps and bounds more entertaining than avatar. Nice score Zimmer. I loved the use of Piaf.
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Postby a happy song » 2010.07.18 (21:10)

rocket_thumped wrote:I loved Inception. I'm not sure why the critics are down on this, it was leaps and bounds more entertaining than avatar. Nice score Zimmer. I loved the use of Piaf.
Erm, the critics are very UP on it. Majority of reviews are positive and gushingly so.

Rotten Tomatoes.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.07.18 (21:31)

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rocket_thumped wrote:I loved Inception. I'm not sure why the critics are down on this, it was leaps and bounds more entertaining than avatar. Nice score Zimmer. I loved the use of Piaf.
Erm, the critics are very UP on it. Majority of reviews are positive and gushingly so.

Rotten Tomatoes.
http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/inception

Is much more indicative to most of the critical landscape.
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Postby a happy song » 2010.07.18 (21:43)

SlappyMcGee wrote: Is much more indicative to most of the critical landscape.
How so?
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Postby rocket_thumped » 2010.07.18 (21:50)

SlappyMcGee wrote: http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/inception

Is much more indicative to most of the critical landscape.
Meatacritic > Rotten Tomatoes

76 is a criminally low score for this film.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.07.18 (21:55)

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SlappyMcGee wrote: Is much more indicative to most of the critical landscape.
How so?
Because it weighs actual scores against each other, not to mention it weighs them based on the averages of each critic.

Like, do you not get that within the set 1, 7, 56, 91 and 91, 49.2 is a more accurate representation than 60% positive?
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Postby a happy song » 2010.07.18 (22:08)

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SlappyMcGee wrote: Is much more indicative to most of the critical landscape.
How so?
Because it weighs actual scores against each other, not to mention it weighs them based on the averages of each critic.

Like, do you not get that within the set 1, 7, 56, 91 and 91, 49.2 is a more accurate representation than 60% positive?
I don't go by the actual numbers though, I go by certain critics responses that I consider to be of more value than other's.

From a purely mathematical point of view regarding the average, I get that yes. However, positive is positive and the numbers awarded to reviews are mostly arbitrary.

Regardless of all of this, that metacritic score is bullshit. Some of the lower scores that drag it down are very clearly maliciously given when you read the reviews themselves (some of them amount to little more than a string of insults), and I think it's almost becoming the new underground cool to hate on Inception.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.07.18 (22:12)

... We can see the critical responses on Metacritic MORE ACCURATELY. :/

Moreover, just because you think somebody is dragging down the score by being malicious does not mean their opinion is invalid.

The metascore is definably more accurate than the RottenTomatoes score, in any event.
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Postby Tanner » 2010.07.18 (22:17)

a happy song wrote:I think it's almost becoming the new underground cool to hate on Inception.
It's been two days! "Almost becoming the new underground cool"? Get out of my world!
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Postby a happy song » 2010.07.18 (22:40)

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a happy song wrote:I think it's almost becoming the new underground cool to hate on Inception.
It's been two days! "Almost becoming the new underground cool"? Get out of my world!
Right, because people haven't been building themselves up to this thing for months, and people aren't silly enough to let there preconceptions steer their final judgement?

Also 2 days is plenty of time to see a simple pattern like this emerge.

Get out of my thread.
SlappyMcGee wrote:... We can see the critical responses on Metacritic MORE ACCURATELY.
No we can't. We need to read the reviews fully to get this, and both sites link to the same reviews.
SlappyMcGee wrote:Moreover, just because you think somebody is dragging down the score by being malicious does not mean their opinion is invalid.
Of course not, but it's clear to see from some of the low scored reviews that the reviewers are embittered for whatever reason as their words are steeped in antagonistic and overtly aggressive tones.

In these instances I will ignore the opinion just as much as i would someone pointlessly gushing with no real content to it, regarldes of wheter I myself love or hate the thing.
The metascore is definably more accurate than the RottenTomatoes score, in any event.
And this only holds any value if you consider the figures at the end of a review to mean much. I don't. Many times I read a review where the final score seems completely out of whack with the tone of the review itself.
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Postby otters~1 » 2010.07.18 (23:22)

Fucking incredible movie. gloomp, you are entirely validated and have my thanks for the recommendation.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.07.19 (01:30)

a happy song wrote: And this only holds any value if you consider the figures at the end of a review to mean much. I don't. Many times I read a review where the final score seems completely out of whack with the tone of the review itself.
No, dude, here's the difference. Reading every single review will give you the most information. Metacritic will give you a caption of the review along with their score of the film. RottenTomatoes will give you a caption of the review along with whether the score was higher or lower than fifty. That's why RT gives you the least information.

Moreover, if we are going sheerly by the main score, Metacritic cuts out outliers and averages out percentages based on the previous reviews of the person (for instance, if somebody gives more tens than average, their tens are worth less), so Metacritic, when assembling their score, actually does what you intend, to weed out people who have been paid off by the industry and people who give bad reviews because they did not meet expectation.

And in your previous post, I only pointed out that Metacritic helped us to see critics' reviews more accurately, and you argued that the only way to see a review more accurately than RT was to read the review. Since metacritic gives us information that RT does not, (nor the review, for that matter, but not much of importance), it is entirely feasible to get -more- from metacritic, while still not having the most information. The only argument you can make against metacritic is the relatively smaller sample size at times.

And your argument against Tanner, that two days is enough to notice an overlying trend in reviewing, and that the only people who could dislike this movie are coming into it with preconceived notions, are both frankly stupid points. I'll give you the latter because you only implied that rather than flatly stating it, but two days to notice a trend? Come on, dude. People are still debating as to why Citizen Kane wasn't the best reviewed movie of it's time.

All of this is to say that Inception is my favorite movie of all time.
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