The Highscore Rankings

[TheRealOne]

I'm discussing right now. But i think i need another participants for it to become actually a discussion.
I'm glad being 6th player who reached 100 0ths (are you counting L3X, too?) there were: tktktk, trib4, j_f, lim, xela. Ok you aren't counting L3X (i dunno if he had 100). Btw, some of them might never had exactly 100 0ths, because Lim was often submitting a whole bunch of 0th's. But well on the way back UNDER 100 he must have reached it because going from 101 to 99 is really difficult you know, that would require taking 2 his 0ths in 1 episode. Btw Netherlands just beat Uruguay with a portion of luck i think. They were pretty static.
So? I beat a mdb run yuuuh.

Congratulations van. I'll update all the relevant N wikia pages soon - I'll put you as 5th since L3X doesn't count. (I thought he only ever had 60 anyway - edit: highscores ranking threads confirm this.) Also, go Netherlands, woo!

van isnt counting L3X.
He is the 6th:
tktktk, trib4, j_f, lim, xela and van.
Unless you are counting tktktk as 0th, and so on. :D

Yeah, I should have said he was 5th to 100 0ths because "this isn't the internet, this is *metanet*!"

Also nice work on the wikia Ska. I am glad that still gets updated. I or someone should do the tricks page. It is quite out of date.

[ska]

...Also nice work on the wikia Ska. I am glad that still gets updated. I or someone should do the tricks page. It is quite out of date.

I changed it to 'sixth player' to avoid confusion.

[eru_bahagon]

The Highscore Rankings
- As of 7/12/10
- Includes Tied 0ths

New 0th Report

15-1 - Old: [vankusss, 111.625] New: [eru_bahagon, 111.800]
15 - Old: [eru_bahagon, 310.175] New: [999_Springs, 311.350] => [eru_bahagon, 314.125]
30 - Old: [eru_bahagon, 263.750] New: [golfkid, 265.000]
52 - Old: [lookatthis, 431.950] New: [eru_bahagon, 433.600]
56 - Old: [lookatthis, 235.475] New: [eru_bahagon, 236.600]
72-4 - Old: [lookatthis, 108.750] New: [vankusss, 108.850]
74-4 - Old: [vankusss, 93.350] New: [eru_bahagon, 93.575]
83-1 - Old: [vankusss, 120.950] New: [xaelar, 121.225]
87-3 - Old: [Mr_Lim, 150.625] New: [vankusss, 150.700]

Total 0th Rankings

0 xaelar - 219
1 vankusss - 99
2 Mr_Lim - 85
3 eru_bahagon - 52
4 lookatthis - 30
5 Izzy - 15
- golfkid - 15
6 Seifer - 14
8 Hendor - 13
9 Ben_Schultz_11 - 12
10 macrohenry - 11
11 Darkshadow1416 - 7
- Analu - 7
13 clux - 6
- Kool-aid - 6
15 johnny_faneca - 5
16 trib4lmaniac - 4
- The_TGM_Project - 4
- Sp33dY - 4
19 zj820 - 3

- ToeFaceKiller - 3
- Meta_Ing - 3
- Gutland - 3

Level 0th Rankings

0 xaelar - 199
1 vankusss - 95
2 Mr_Lim - 65
3 lookatthis - 26
4 eru_bahagon - 17
5 Izzy - 15
6 Seifer - 13
7 Ben_Schultz_11 - 12
8 macrohenry - 11
9 golfkid - 8
10 Darkshadow1416 - 7
11 clux - 6
- Kool-aid - 6
- Hendor - 6
14 johnny_faneca - 5
- Analu - 5
16 trib4lmaniac - 4
- The_TGM_Project - 4
- Sp33dY - 4
19 zj820 - 3

- ToeFaceKiller - 3
- Meta_Ing - 3
- Gutland - 3

Top-20 Rankings

0 eru_bahagon - 570
1 lookatthis - 567
2 xaelar - 548
3 Mr_Lim - 544
4 glib_jase - 393
5 Hendor - 384
6 Analu - 380
7 ToeFaceKiller - 362
8 golfkid - 337
9 johnny_faneca - 307
10 vankusss - 265
11 Ben_Schultz_11 - 238
12 Darkshadow1416 - 222
13 Chouse - 188
14 trib4lmaniac - 170
15 macrohenry - 155
16 zapkt - 143
17 Izzy - 137
18 jg9000 - 129
19 Amdi - 109

Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71719.275
(ignoring Sp33dy)

I don't know what to say -and my english isn't that good-, i just wanna an highscore for this week, because i break 50 0th on that one :)
Vankuss has no more 100 0th because he lost 3 0th and "only" gain two (sorry, i've to take back 74-4), with an amazing run on 87-3.
Xaelar came back with a new 0th and innovation on 83-1. 999_Springs take his first metanet episode 0th, however i've improved it later. Golfkid also take one of my ep 0th, but i won't attack him ^^


Discuss ?

EDIT : fixed my mistake between EddyMataGallos and 999_Springs, sorry.

[golf]

Its nice to see the rankings this week. Although on ep 15, it was 999_Springs who you improved on, not EddyMataGallos. Also, thanks for not attacking my newest ep 0th. :) I was just trying to improve what I had because NReality was counting it as a non-legit score after I had to use the score retrieval function quite a while back. I came to the last level and saw that I had a chance at 0th, and it took me forever (just about) to finally get it. I think that 30-4 will be one of those levels I don't want to see again for a looong time.

[vankusss]

thx for doing the rankings :P dunno what's with TRO, he is probably sunbathing or something
i'm exhausted, i was over 100 once, that's enough probably :) the next goal would be only xela, but that's too far, so i'll just occasionaly try for something
also i dunno how can you see EddyMataGallos instead of 999_Springs :D
nice breaking 50 barrier, the only bad thing with it is, that there are 33 0th's to Lim
also, on 83-1, i guess that innov is mine (if you mean taking the gold next to the right drone chamber and doing double-chimney going from laser-chimney), actually i've seen xaelar doing like 2 innovs at most during my whole playing time... he just cleans

[TheRealOne]

thx for doing the rankings :P dunno what's with TRO, he is probably sunbathing or something.

Sorry guys I haven't been around my computer much in the past week. I have just been really busy with work and other things. Thanks for helping me out Eru, you even got all of the adjustments to people 0th counts right. :D Also van your 30-0 score isn't on the NReality boards.

[eru_bahagon]

also i dunno how can you see EddyMataGallos instead of 999_Springs :D

What i did was only edit the old rankings, because my latest nhigh file was from sunday evening... Therefore, i've just add and substract 0th, trying not to forget to mention one. On ep 15, i remember the time but didn't check online tables to verify the player :S My brain make mistakes... sometimes. :p

And oh, 83-1 is your innov' =)
And 33 0th to Lim isn't too much, i have about 50 ep to re-do^^

By the way, you should keep playing, we need your innovations :)

[vankusss]

By the way, you should keep playing, we need your innovations :)

i bet 100 euro there are no more innov's / faster routes

[ska]

By the way, you should keep playing, we need your innovations :)

i bet 100 euro there are no more innov's / faster routes

I think that's a foolhardy statement and I bet I couldn't lose...

[TheRealOne]

By the way, you should keep playing, we need your innovations :)

i bet 100 euro there are no more innov's / faster routes

I think that's a foolhardy statement and I bet I couldn't lose...

I have to agree with Ska, I am 100% sure that EVERY map that is more than 400 frames does not have the optimal route, even for humans. Also I will only accept this bet if you bet real money, good ol' fashion American dollars, none of that monopoly money you Europeans use.

[ska]

Tsk... C'mon... let's not dis monopoly money now...

[vankusss]

Ububu ebaleu imblulu eble. 12-3 to prove my point

[ska]

Ububu ebaleu imblulu eble. 12-3 to prove my point

(8) I'M IN THE MONEY! I'M IN THE MONEY! (/8)

[TheRealOne]

The Highscores Rankings
- As of 7/20/10
- Includes Tied 0ths

New 0th Rankings

12-3 - Old: [xaelar, 292.325] New: [vankusss, 294.775]
12 - Old: [xaelar, 573.050] New: [eru_bahagon, 573.675]
52-4 - Old: [lookatthis, 132.050] New: [eru_bahagon, 132.075] => [eru_bahagon, 133.875]
57 - Old: [Mr_Lim, 349.525] New: [eru_bahagon, 350.325]
83 - Old: [Mr_Lim, 372.775] New: [eru_bahagon, 373.625]

Total 0th Rankings

0 xaelar - 217
1 vankusss - 100
2 Mr_Lim - 83
3 eru_bahagon - 56
4 lookatthis - 29
5 golfkid - 15
- Izzy - 15
7 Seifer - 14
8 Hendor - 13
9 Ben_Schultz_11 - 12
10 macrohenry - 11
11 Darkshadow1416 - 7
- Analu - 7
13 Kool-aid - 6
- clux - 6
15 johnny_faneca - 5
16 trib4lmaniac - 4
- The_TGM_Project - 4
- Sp33dY - 4
19 zj820 - 3

- ToeFaceKiller - 3
- Meta_Ing - 3
- Gutland - 3

Level 0th Rankings

0 xaelar - 198
1 vankusss - 96
2 Mr_Lim - 65
3 lookatthis - 25
4 eru_bahagon - 18
5 Izzy - 15
6 Seifer - 13
7 Ben_Schultz_11 - 12
8 macrohenry - 11
9 golfkid - 8
10 Darkshadow1416 - 7
11 Kool-aid - 6
- clux - 6
- Hendor - 6
14 johnny_faneca - 5
- Analu - 5
16 trib4lmaniac - 4
- The_TGM_Project - 4
- Sp33dY - 4
19 zj820 - 3

- ToeFaceKiller - 3
- Meta_Ing - 3
- Gutland - 3

Top-20 Rankings

0 eru_bahagon - 570
1 lookatthis - 567
2 xaelar - 548
3 Mr_Lim - 544
4 glib_jase - 393
5 Hendor - 386
6 Analu - 380
7 ToeFaceKiller - 362
8 golfkid - 337
9 johnny_faneca - 307
10 vankusss - 265
11 Ben_Schultz_11 - 239
12 Darkshadow1416 - 222
13 Chouse - 188
14 trib4lmaniac - 169
15 macrohenry - 155
16 zapkt - 143
17 Izzy - 137
18 jg9000 - 129
19 Amdi - 109

Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71724.925
Hours - 19.924
Frames - 2868997
Seconds left until 20 hours - 275.075
Frames left until 20 hours - 11003

This week two big improvements came. Van innovated the route for 12-3 and improved by 2.4 seconds and Eru snagged the extra gold on 52-4 to improve his own run by 1.8 seconds, which he beat lat with earlier in the week by a frame. Eru also took 3 more Ep 0ths still consistently working towards 35k total ep score.

Question: Do you guys want me to ignore Sp33dy for the rankings? He admitted to cheating on his ep 22 scores and most other players that have admitted to cheating we have ignored them. I personally don't really care either way. I have him included right now because he only has 4 0ths. So what do you guys think?

Discuss.

[vankusss]

me me me, pick me! i want to discuss
but then, hmm, i have nothing to say (well 52-4 is really cool, i like how we cut off 4.2 seconds in 2 runs, at this rate we would have been had broken 20 hours soon lately yet)

edit: i'm ignoring sp33dy, i'm not really willing to believe anything from people who cheated once

[eru_bahagon]

That was 2 great 0th :)

Considering Sp33dy, i am also ignoring him. He admitted cheating, i won't believe that his other runs (0ths) are legit.

[ska]

That was 2 great 0th :)

Considering Sp33dy, i am also ignoring him. He admitted cheating, i won't believe that his other runs (0ths) are legit.

agreed... also, he never proved his legitimacy using NReality... actually... I think he left like right after NReality came about...

[TheRealOne]

The Highscore Rankings
- As of 07/27/10
- Includes Tied 0ths

New 0th Report

14 - Old: [xaelar, 467.675] New: [eru_bahagon, 468.225]
18-0 - Old: [Gutland, 128.500] New: [vankusss, 128.750] => [vankusss, 129.175] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 129.800] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 129.900] =>
[Ben_Schultz_11, 129.975] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 130.125]
18 - Old: [xaelar, 273.200] New: [eru_bahagon, 274.850]
21 - Old: [xaelar, 431.875] New: [eru_bahagon, 432.475]
38-0 - Old: [xaelar, 182.150] New: [swipenet, 182.250]
97 - Old: [Mr_Lim, 315.375] New: [eru_bahagon, 316.900]

Total 0th Rankings

0 xaelar - 214
1 vankusss - 101
2 Mr_Lim - 83
3 eru_bahagon - 60
4 lookatthis - 29
5 golfkid - 15
- Izzy - 15
7 Seifer - 14
8 Hendor - 13
- Ben_Schultz_11 - 13
10 macrohenry - 11
11 Darkshadow1416 - 7
- Analu - 7
13 johnny_faneca - 6
- clux - 6
- Kool-aid - 6
16 trib4lmaniac - 4
- The_TGM_Project - 4
18 zj820 - 3
- ToeFaceKiller - 3

- Meta_Ing - 3

Level 0th Rankings

0 xaelar - 198
1 vankusss - 97
2 Mr_Lim - 66
3 lookatthis - 25
4 eru_bahagon - 18
5 Izzy - 15
6 Seifer - 13
- Ben_Schultz_11 - 13
8 macrohenry - 11
9 golfkid - 8
10 Darkshadow1416 - 7
11 johnny_faneca - 6
- clux - 6
- Hendor - 6
- Kool-aid - 6
15 Analu - 5
16 trib4lmaniac - 4
- The_TGM_Project - 4
18 zj820 - 3
- ToeFaceKiller - 3

- Meta_Ing - 3

Top-20 Rankings

0 eru_bahagon - 570
1 lookatthis - 567
2 xaelar - 546
3 Mr_Lim - 543
4 glib_jase - 390
5 Hendor - 385
6 Analu - 378
7 ToeFaceKiller - 362
8 golfkid - 336
9 johnny_faneca - 307
10 vankusss - 267
11 Ben_Schultz_11 - 241
12 Darkshadow1416 - 221
13 Chouse - 188
14 trib4lmaniac - 169
15 macrohenry - 155
16 zapkt - 143
17 Izzy - 137
18 jg9000 - 129
19 Amdi - 109

Community Total Level Score

Seconds - 71726.100
Hours - 19.924
Frames - 2869044
Seconds left until 20 hours - 273.900
Frames left until 20 hours - 10956

Eru kicked ass this week still grabbing Ep 0ths left and right. He backed off of Lim this week and start attacking xaelar's 0ths. Van innovated 18-0 and then improved his run by quite a bit. Ska then capitalized on this innovation and improved again giving him self a good lead over van and a 1.625 second lead over Gut's original 0th. Swipenet got his first metanet highscore 0th this week beating xela on 38-0 by 4 frames. Hopefully we will see more of him in the future.

About the community total level score, I now have Sp33dy on the ignore list so his 0ths were redistributed to all of the 1sts to him. However, I think I messed up something when moving his scores in the spread sheet I use to keep track of all of the 0ths and my total level score time is off. If either moh, Eru, or anyone else who uses this spreadsheet could send me theirs so i can find my mistake, thanks.
EDIT: Here is my spread sheet. Link.

EDIT2: Should be fixed, Thanks Raif.

Discuss.

[ska]

well... technically it should be
18-0 - Old: [Gutland, 128.500] New: [vankusss, 128.750] => [vankusss, 129.175] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 129.800] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 129.900] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 129.975] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 130.125]


but whatever :D

[Raif]

TRO's spreadsheet seems to be having a lot of problems O_o

• xaelar has 122.275 on 5-3 not 122.425
  ska has 130.125 on 18-0 not 139.125
  eru has 159.500 on 19-2 not 159.350
  Also for some reason according to my NHigh xaelar should have 215 0ths

[TheRealOne]

TRO's spreadsheet seems to be having a lot of problems O_o

• xaelar has 122.275 on 5-3 not 122.425
  ska has 130.125 on 18-0 not 139.125
  eru has 159.500 on 19-2 not 159.350
  Also for some reason according to my NHigh xaelar should have 215 0ths

Thanks Raif, Fixed those mistakes and now I have "Seconds - 71726.100" which seems right. Also my Nhigh gives me "0 xaelar - 211" and I add 3 for Ep 00, 00-0, and 00-1. Here are xela's 0ths. If you can find the discrepancy we can know who you have ignored and I don't.

His 0ths (big spoiler)

00-3 - 119.525
01-0 - 92.625
01-1 - 198.975
01 - 337.725
02-0 - 118.250
02-1 - 163.525
02-3 - 74.075
02 - 226.650
03-0 - 151.050
03-1 - 156.375
03-2 - 161.900
03-3 - 206.625
03-4 - 117.675
03 - 427.200
04-1 - 128.575
04-2 - 164.700
04-3 - 218.475
04-4 - 143.800
05-1 - 132.000
05-2 - 82.900
05-3 - 122.275
05-4 - 126.200
05 - 294.700
06-0 - 173.650
06-2 - 198.650
06-3 - 133.400
06 - 345.450
07-0 - 117.375
07-1 - 142.000
07-2 - 135.100
07-3 - 161.475
07 - 341.450
08-0 - 159.725
08-2 - 186.375
08-3 - 202.275
09-1 - 157.825
09-2 - 122.500
09-3 - 100.125
09 - 319.025
10-0 - 118.100
10-1 - 158.950
11-0 - 151.175
11 - 311.150
12-2 - 107.875
13-2 - 103.725
14-3 - 147.300
14-4 - 117.575
15-0 - 202.275
15-4 - 132.875
16-0 - 101.075
16-2 - 111.825
16-3 - 180.500
17-1 - 142.350
17-2 - 110.675
18-2 - 156.275
19-0 - 209.075
19-1 - 189.150
20-0 - 145.925
20-1 - 139.350
20-2 - 132.250
20-4 - 108.275
20 - 322.300
21-0 - 140.000
21-1 - 126.875
21-4 - 199.050
22-0 - 176.475
22 - 360.250
23-1 - 126.025
23-2 - 108.150
23 - 328.275
24-1 - 117.300
24-3 - 157.525
24 - 336.725
25-0 - 117.925
25-3 - 126.725
25-4 - 160.575
25 - 264.600
26-1 - 83.850
26-3 - 90.375
26 - 281.800
27-1 - 100.100
27-2 - 113.125
27-3 - 144.375
28-2 - 114.225
29-1 - 133.725
30-1 - 116.050
30-3 - 203.300
32-1 - 113.450
33-0 - 191.725
33-1 - 128.800
33-2 - 151.175
33-3 - 175.700
33-4 - 142.075
34-0 - 117.575
34-2 - 101.925
35-1 - 128.325
35-2 - 118.000
36-0 - 120.150
36-2 - 80.200
36-4 - 180.900
37-1 - 93.975
38-4 - 143.075
39-0 - 124.125
39-2 - 156.325
39-3 - 129.800
39-4 - 138.950
40-0 - 160.825
40-1 - 94.775
40-3 - 119.575
40-4 - 140.900
41-3 - 148.025
42-1 - 172.400
42-4 - 99.575
43-3 - 104.525
44-1 - 157.475
45-2 - 145.225
46-0 - 176.650
46-1 - 148.525
46-2 - 168.350
46-4 - 98.500
47-1 - 125.375
47-2 - 133.475
47-3 - 97.450
47-4 - 123.050
49-3 - 132.450
49-4 - 136.375
50-1 - 181.250
50-3 - 230.325
51-1 - 139.325
51-4 - 117.400
52-1 - 145.175
52-3 - 212.725
53-4 - 120.775
54-0 - 157.900
54-2 - 128.250
54-3 - 121.975
55-1 - 134.350
56-1 - 119.550
57-2 - 101.000
57-4 - 159.125
58-4 - 57.550
59-3 - 102.175
60-1 - 125.250
61-1 - 255.975
61-2 - 176.150
62-0 - 165.825
62-2 - 158.925
63-1 - 221.125
63-4 - 111.125
64-0 - 140.575
64-1 - 152.875
64-2 - 91.625
64-3 - 107.300
64 - 477.825
65-0 - 121.050
65-3 - 114.650
66-0 - 168.625
66-3 - 175.100
67-1 - 190.775
67-3 - 167.700
67-4 - 158.525
68-1 - 161.050
71-0 - 182.575
71-2 - 201.950
71-3 - 106.050
71-4 - 149.725
72-1 - 122.950
72-3 - 165.350
73-0 - 334.150
73-3 - 110.200
73-4 - 103.800
74-3 - 163.400
75-0 - 167.975
75-1 - 144.150
76-1 - 203.925
76-2 - 173.250
77-3 - 127.950
78-0 - 169.800
79-4 - 104.375
80-4 - 189.950
81-1 - 99.625
81-2 - 132.075
81-3 - 116.125
81-4 - 136.950
82-4 - 133.650
83-1 - 121.225
83-2 - 149.125
84-1 - 182.775
85-1 - 183.575
86-0 - 115.150
86-2 - 136.500
86-4 - 146.725
87-0 - 118.225
87-2 - 147.000
89-2 - 179.175
90-0 - 122.125
90-1 - 105.275
91-3 - 219.625
92-0 - 132.150
92-1 - 158.775
92-4 - 107.525
93-2 - 116.375
94-4 - 127.450
96-0 - 139.025
96-3 - 103.350
97-2 - 150.850
97-3 - 143.800
97-4 - 167.925
98-1 - 126.875
98-2 - 146.400
99-2 - 101.550

well... technically it should be
18-0 - Old: [Gutland, 128.500] New: [vankusss, 128.750] => [vankusss, 129.175] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 129.800] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 129.900] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 129.975] => [Ben_Schultz_11, 130.125]

Fixed.

[Raif]

Also my Nhigh gives me "0 xaelar - 211" and I add 3 for Ep 00, 00-0, and 00-1. Here are xela's 0ths. If you can find the discrepancy we can know who you have ignored and I don't.

Ugh, it was schwah again. He must have been in my ignore list in 2 places because I remember removing him before. O_o
Edit: So who has the 90-3 0th now? The spreadsheet says TFK but the rankings say cheese_god.

[ska]

Also my Nhigh gives me "0 xaelar - 211" and I add 3 for Ep 00, 00-0, and 00-1. Here are xela's 0ths. If you can find the discrepancy we can know who you have ignored and I don't.

Ugh, it was schwah again. He must have been in my ignore list in 2 places because I remember removing him before. O_o
Edit: So who has the 90-3 0th now? The spreadsheet says TFK but the rankings say cheese_god.

give it to tfk - his run has been validated...

[Raif]

So who has the 90-3 0th now? The spreadsheet says TFK but the rankings say cheese_god.

give it to tfk - his run has been validated...

I am all for giving 90-3 to TFK and 82-0 to clux.

[TheRealOne]

Also my Nhigh gives me "0 xaelar - 211" and I add 3 for Ep 00, 00-0, and 00-1. Here are xela's 0ths. If you can find the discrepancy we can know who you have ignored and I don't.

Ugh, it was schwah again. He must have been in my ignore list in 2 places because I remember removing him before. O_o
Edit: So who has the 90-3 0th now? The spreadsheet says TFK but the rankings say cheese_god.

Ok I have kind of taking care of the highscores for a while now. I started with a simple spread sheet with all of the current 0ths for the metanet highscores and their cheated counterparts in two different columns to keep track of the Total Level Score. I created this while getting all of the of the demo codes for all of the non-nreality top-20s (I doubt this project will ever get finished. I got a little discourraged and then kinda stop working on it all together. I have an excel file on my portable hard drive but it is .xlsx and I only have open office on this computer so I can't really do much with that file because of all the formating. I have about 2700 demo saved on that sheet, there are about 300 more to get, but then begins the long process of uploading them. golfkid helped me out with this a lot demo grabbing and upload a few hundred demos. If anyone wants to help me with this feel free, but if not I understand since I doubt I will do much more on this.)

However, everything I have just said is kind of irrelevant to what I wanted to say, but eventually Raif did something similar and made a spread sheet similar to mine with all of the current 0ths both cheated and legit. I liked his formatting much more so I have been using his spread sheet with some of my own modifications. I keep this updated and so does he, along with eru now because I sent him a copy. If anyone else wants a copy I link to it in my latest Highscore Rankings pots, 5 post up. And there have been a few discrepencies in the Total Level score and the 0th rankings because: on 90-3 I give the Level Score to TFK but in my Nhigh I give it to cheese_god. Also on 82-0 I give the Level Score to Clux and the 0th to cheese_god. so here is the question, I don't think there is any evidence in the form of a confession or perfect direction changing chimnies, if anyone can find some from the old forums or one of his runs then we will have a conviction, but if not then I see that we would have to give both the 0th and the Level score to cheese? If anyone sees different make your point heard. I will go with majority rules. I believe this is the only mismatch between the 0th and the level score if anyone finds more please tell me and we can discuss those too.

Also schwah's run on 27-0 is what makes him suspected of cheating, but like cheese I don't remember any incident of cheating he confessed to or was postulated with demo analysis. So I am inclined to give him the 0th. If anyone can prove something otherwise then we will change that.