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Postby Donfuy » 2010.09.09 (15:36)

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16:24:29  <Donfuy> okay, now chrome needs to have google instant /built in/
16:24:33  <Donfuy> and firefox too.
16:24:46  <Donfuy> so that when you search in the bar, as now most of the people do
16:24:53  <Donfuy> bam instant searching as you type.
edit: thinking again about it, I'm not sure about how this would work. chrome would have to have the google website permanently running in the background. Hm.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.09.09 (15:37)

hairscapades wrote:Yeah, ctrl + k is where it's at.
I click everything. Thank you.
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Postby origami_alligator » 2010.09.09 (17:12)

My first experience with Google Instant was pleasurable. I was with my girlfriend, discussing foreign languages and decided to look on Google to see the estimated number of people she could speak Russian with. I typed in "Population of Russia" and instantly got a result, with a little graph of the population growth over the last 100 years or something. Then I wanted to see the estimated number of people I could potentially speak Italian to, so I deleted "Russia" and replaced it with "Italy" and immediately got another result, complete with a little graph.

But then I tried some other searches, like free tent camping around the area I'm in, places to eat at, maps of the surrounding areas, etc. It become annoying and a chore to look through the various results that came up. Because I was too distracted with the first 10 results that kept coming up instantly I didn't take the time to look through a couple pages of results and find the best website that fit /my/ needs, as sometimes they rest on the 2nd or 3rd page of results. Instead I was frantically typing, specifying my search query more and more until I became too overloaded with information to even care about what I was searching for in the first place. I quietly closed google and continued what I was doing beforehand.

I can see this being most useful for data and statistics queries, but for something like "Best Pizza in Jackson, WY" it kind of fails, terribly.
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Postby otters~1 » 2010.09.09 (18:02)

Scrivener wrote:Basically instead of typing a search, hitting "enter," and then having to revise your search until you get the result you want, it's a fluid type, look, type, look, click.
Haven't tried this thing, but I imagine I type quickly enough that it doesn't make a significant difference.
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Postby origami_alligator » 2010.09.09 (18:28)

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Scrivener wrote:Basically instead of typing a search, hitting "enter," and then having to revise your search until you get the result you want, it's a fluid type, look, type, look, click.
Haven't tried this thing, but I imagine I type quickly enough that it doesn't make a significant difference.
Part of the problem is the prediction aspect of Google. If you're typing and it's predicting what you're looking for... It's like if I wanted to look for spaghetti and I type S-P-A and they have results about spaceships and C-SPAN. It's distracting.

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Postby Scrivener » 2010.09.09 (23:04)

I agree. So far the two biggest things I think they should change are making it somehow built in to the address search bar in Chrome, and giving you the option to take away the autofill thing. So instead of continuously searching for the most common query that starts with whatever you've put in, it just searches what you put in as if you pressed enter. But I do see the problem of being distracted by useless results, but really, you should keep typing till you've got what you think you need, then scan for it, then type more if it's not there, instead of looking down at results once you've typed "spa." At least, that's how I would use it.
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Postby origami_alligator » 2010.09.10 (16:30)

Scrivener wrote:I agree. So far the two biggest things I think they should change are making it somehow built in to the address search bar in Chrome, and giving you the option to take away the autofill thing. So instead of continuously searching for the most common query that starts with whatever you've put in, it just searches what you put in as if you pressed enter. But I do see the problem of being distracted by useless results, but really, you should keep typing till you've got what you think you need, then scan for it, then type more if it's not there, instead of looking down at results once you've typed "spa." At least, that's how I would use it.
Did you know that commercials often change the picture you're looking at every 1-2 seconds? It's a terrible trick for your brain, in that if you change what you're focusing on so often you will pay attention to it more.

In a way I feel like instant search results are the same idea: changing what you're looking at instantly with predictive search results makes you focus on what's happening below the search bar rather than what the actual results are.
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Postby squibbles » 2010.09.10 (17:47)

Scrivener wrote:I agree. So far the two biggest things I think they should change are making it somehow built in to the address search bar in Chrome, and giving you the option to take away the autofill thing. So instead of continuously searching for the most common query that starts with whatever you've put in, it just searches what you put in as if you pressed enter. But I do see the problem of being distracted by useless results, but really, you should keep typing till you've got what you think you need, then scan for it, then type more if it's not there, instead of looking down at results once you've typed "spa." At least, that's how I would use it.
You pretty much just described the system before this new implementation.
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Postby capt_weasle » 2010.09.10 (18:18)

As long as its not implemented in the Firefox search bar at the top of the page, I can still play my little game of type-out-my-search-as-fast-as-possible-before-any-suggestions-pop-up.
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Postby Donfuy » 2010.09.10 (19:17)

squibbles wrote:
Scrivener wrote:I agree. So far the two biggest things I think they should change are making it somehow built in to the address search bar in Chrome, and giving you the option to take away the autofill thing. So instead of continuously searching for the most common query that starts with whatever you've put in, it just searches what you put in as if you pressed enter. But I do see the problem of being distracted by useless results, but really, you should keep typing till you've got what you think you need, then scan for it, then type more if it's not there, instead of looking down at results once you've typed "spa." At least, that's how I would use it.
You pretty much just described the system before this new implementation.
The Google instant isn't supposed to be useful at all times. I really dunno how you guys get so annoyed at the page changing. Seems like many of you have focus problems.
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.09.10 (19:30)

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The Google instant isn't supposed to be useful at all times. I really dunno how you guys get so annoyed at the page changing. Seems like many of you have focus problems.
It's ludicrous to criticize the end user for perceived problems in an implementation as a defense of said implementation.

Imagine if I said this: Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 is a bad game because it needs to be more kid friendly. Anybody who plays the game for the complex controls and graphic violence has problems.

The problem is the majority of peope have so-called "focus problems"; they do not want to be constantly guessed at about what they are searching. Most people do not go to a search bar to be told what to search for, but rather because they have a very specific thing they want to find.

More importantly, they have ruined the minimalist look of Google and made it ridiculous and overbearing. I am glad the address bar on Chrome does not have Instant.
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Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2010.09.10 (19:38)

Re: all this advertising stuff, I've always been kind of confused about how they test the effectiveness of these scary psychological tricks. I mean, I imagine I'm being hit by all kinds of crazy gimmicks when I see commercials, but I have still never had the urge to buy tampons, Capri Sun, Heroes on DVD, herpes medication, or any other frequently advertised commodity that wasn't necessary for my daily life. All of my wasteful impulse buys (of which I have plenty) go to things that have never had commercials produced for them whatsoever. I don't buy candy bars or magazines when I'm in line at the grocery store, changing the colors on and around the juice cartons do not influence my selection or frequency of juice procurement, and forcing me to stare at any amount of super-high-resolution posters of french fries has never made me add any to my order.
So my question is, do I just have such qualitatively, transcendentally superior willpower that I am utterly unaffected by these mind games that all other humans fall for, or is the science behind advertising a bag of horse cocks?
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Postby SlappyMcGee » 2010.09.10 (20:01)

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:Re: all this advertising stuff, I've always been kind of confused about how they test the effectiveness of these scary psychological tricks. I mean, I imagine I'm being hit by all kinds of crazy gimmicks when I see commercials, but I have still never had the urge to buy tampons, Capri Sun, Heroes on DVD, herpes medication, or any other frequently advertised commodity that wasn't necessary for my daily life. All of my wasteful impulse buys (of which I have plenty) go to things that have never had commercials produced for them whatsoever. I don't buy candy bars or magazines when I'm in line at the grocery store, changing the colors on and around the juice cartons do not influence my selection or frequency of juice procurement, and forcing me to stare at any amount of super-high-resolution posters of french fries has never made me add any to my order.
So my question is, do I just have such qualitatively, transcendentally superior willpower that I am utterly unaffected by these mind games that all other humans fall for, or is the science behind advertising a bag of horse cocks?

The former. Most people are proles.
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Postby Donfuy » 2010.09.11 (00:06)

SłappyMcGee wrote:
DONFUY wrote:
The Google instant isn't supposed to be useful at all times. I really dunno how you guys get so annoyed at the page changing. Seems like many of you have focus problems.
It's ludicrous to criticize the end user for perceived problems in an implementation as a defense of said implementation.
I didn't use it as a defense. I'm really curious. Maybe I should have put a paragraph before i started talking about you peepole.

How is this complicating? It's only taking away the search button!
And I'm not supporting this just because Google advertises this as faster. I support this cause I've been in many situations where to find something, I had to try several different words in my search, to get to my results.
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Postby Amadeus » 2010.09.11 (02:55)

While using it to search for "imagining practicing guitar as good as actually practicing" and then changing it to "imagining playing guitar as good as actually practicing" to "imagining practicing as good as actually practicing" to "imagining as good as actually doing something" to "doing something in your head as good as actually doing it" to find what I was looking for, I decided I like it. A lot.

Unless of course you're like some posters and possess an encyclopedic knowledge of every page on the internet, in which case I envy you.
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Postby origami_alligator » 2010.09.11 (03:39)

SłappyMcGee wrote:Most people do not go to a search bar to be told what to search for, but rather because they have a very specific thing they want to find.
It's exactly like if you had a stutter and people were always trying to guess what word you were trying to say.
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Postby Tanner » 2010.09.11 (14:09)

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:So my question is, do I just have such qualitatively, transcendentally superior willpower that I am utterly unaffected by these mind games that all other humans fall for, or is the science behind advertising a bag of horse cocks?
For my part, can tell you that after that ad campaign when viral, I seriously considered switching to Old Spice deodorant. I didn't, but I considered it.
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Postby Rose » 2010.09.11 (14:18)

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:Re: all this advertising stuff, I've always been kind of confused about how they test the effectiveness of these scary psychological tricks. I mean, I imagine I'm being hit by all kinds of crazy gimmicks when I see commercials, but I have still never had the urge to buy tampons, Capri Sun, Heroes on DVD, herpes medication, or any other frequently advertised commodity that wasn't necessary for my daily life.
This is very off-topic, but "heroes" and "herpes" are only one letter apart, and said letters are only one spot apart in the alphabet and look kind of like each other. Going from one to the other was probably either intentional or subconsciously influenced.

I have also considered switching to Old Spice.
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Postby Amadeus » 2010.09.11 (19:15)

T̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư wrote:Re: all this advertising stuff, I've always been kind of confused about how they test the effectiveness of these scary psychological tricks. I mean, I imagine I'm being hit by all kinds of crazy gimmicks when I see commercials, but I have still never had the urge to buy tampons, Capri Sun, Heroes on DVD, herpes medication, or any other frequently advertised commodity that wasn't necessary for my daily life. All of my wasteful impulse buys (of which I have plenty) go to things that have never had commercials produced for them whatsoever. I don't buy candy bars or magazines when I'm in line at the grocery store, changing the colors on and around the juice cartons do not influence my selection or frequency of juice procurement, and forcing me to stare at any amount of super-high-resolution posters of french fries has never made me add any to my order.
So my question is, do I just have such qualitatively, transcendentally superior willpower that I am utterly unaffected by these mind games that all other humans fall for, or is the science behind advertising a bag of horse cocks?
The main purpose of commercials and all the subliminal messaging isn't to make you want to buy things you don't even like or use (such as tampons or Capri Sun for a 20-something year old male), it's to get you to buy the products you do like from them instead of from competitors. I can think of tons of examples, but for instance when people go to buy beer for Superbowl parties, they'll be influenced consciously and unconsciously by how it was advertised - whether their priorities be calories or frothiness or the quality of the beer or the advertised special deal, or even whether the company claims to be family owned or not. The effect's even more dramatic if you haven't purchased a product before, because then the ads are often the only background information you have, and play the biggest part in your decision.
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Postby lord_day » 2010.09.11 (20:25)

The most important side of advertising is getting your brand name known. Noone likes to buy stuff from brands they haven't heard of. You probably don't see an advert and think 'I really want to buy that.' More likely is you will think of an item you wish to buy, and when you have to decide which brand to choose, you'll pick one in your memory.
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Postby Rose » 2010.09.13 (07:20)

Amadeus wrote:The main purpose of commercials and all the subliminal messaging isn't to make you want to buy things you don't even like or use (such as tampons or Capri Sun for a 20-something year old male),
What's wrong with Capri Sun? It's tasty :<
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