Metanet 0ths Thread

[TheRealOne]

Oh, I know what you mean. For me it's a weird feeling between being proud and feeling slightly guilty.

You should also be stoked about the frame you snagged on 11-0. xaelar's 0th was a pre-NReality run as well.

[macrohenry]

That's why I wrote "another ancient 0th". Time to update your list, Eddy! ;)

[EddyMataGallos]

WOAH! 70-0 just fell down? Can't believe that, awesome job macro, I always thought that was one of the very few runs that would stand up forever, I feel sorry for clux haha. Only 2 of his 0ths left, which are as well of the same standard pretty much.

11-0 is pretty clean as well, a pity there's a bottleneck at the end. Honestly, I always thought those drones are beatable, if you feel confident, you can try to implement my speedrun start, it cleans 20-30 frames and its not that hard. When I took the 0th with it I thought on developing a route for hs by including it to see if I could change something, but at the end I was too lazy to do it.

edit: oh damn forgot infunity is down haha, I'll see if I can grab the demo from my sol.

That's why I wrote "another ancient 0th". Time to update your list, Eddy! ;)

EDIT: I just did before you told me macro hah!

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Non-NReality level 0ths

11-3 Ben_Schultz_11
30-2 clux (NReality-tied)
32-4 macrohenry
34-3 Ben_Schultz_11
57-1 Mr_Lim (NReality-tied)
67-2 Just4TheFun
69-2 Mr_Lim
77-4 clux
82-4 xaelar
83-0 macrohenry
85-4 macrohenry
87-0 xaelar (NReality-tied)
90-4 macrohenry (NReality-tied)
92-3 macrohenry
95-0 Mr_Lim

Non-NReality Episode 0ths

86 esp

FBFed 0ths

02-2 Goo
02-4 Goo
09-3 kryX-orange
22-1 crappitrash
26-1 naem
26-4 L3X
27-4 ANGERFIST
32-1 kryX-orange
46-3 L3X
53-0 kryX-orange
87-0 ANGERFIST
89-0 crappitrash
90-3 kryX-orange

EDIT: Here's the sr demo:
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[macrohenry]

Thanks, TRO and Eddy! I used your 11-0 beginning and added another corner jump on the right to improve my run by more than 1 second.

[alsojp27ace]

Thanks, TRO and Eddy! I used your 11-0 beginning and added another corner jump on the right to improve my run by more than 1 second.

That is one damn sexy run

[EddyMataGallos]

Haha that was sick macro, awesome execution.

[ska]

Haha that was sick macro, awesome execution.

This is also sick.

[macrohenry]

Took 41-1, a level which used to be mine many years ago, and 76-4.

[golf]

Nice dodge before the switch on 76-4 macro. That level used to be mine a long time ago, don't think I'm going to get it back though :) In fact, I think I came up with the innovation going up the right hand side to take it back then.

[macrohenry]

Took 80-0, beating the MBD. And it's still improvable because I held jump at the end for too long.

[golf]

Awesome run man. How much do you think is there, 3 or 4 frames maybe? Looks like you hit everything else perfect.

[ska]

Took 80-0, beating the MBD. And it's still improvable because I held jump at the end for too long.

O_O

Not sure where golf thinks you're going to pull another three or four frames from, though. Looked very tight to me in real time.

[macrohenry]

I analyzed the run with NHigh and I found out that I held jump for six frames. :( I think another three or four frames are actually realistic if you do a one or two frame jump.

[james_S]

ok How do I reset my password pleasse on N reality?? and on Numa it doesnt seem to give the option at all either.

Annnd so what exactly is the best thing to do to get rid of the lag (it is lagging right, its not just the lack of smoothness?) -i remember hearing something to do with the graphics settings?

[golf]

I analyzed the run with NHigh and I found out that I held jump for six frames. :( I think another three or four frames are actually realistic if you do a one or two frame jump.

That's exactly where I was seeing them. You definitely are above the exit by the time you actually get there horizontally, so there's extra frames where you're falling into the exit. Those can be gotten rid of if you simply don't hold jump as long :) I seem to remember that its possible to not jump high enough to clear all the tiles between the jump and the exit, so if you held for 6 frames I would think 4 is the max you can shave, maybe only 3. Care to try it out?

[TheRealOne]

Took 80-0, beating the MBD. And it's still improvable because I held jump at the end for too long.

Umm... What...?! You just out did an MBD on a map like that?! Unfuckingbelievable. Raif... I think you have some explaining to do.

I analyzed the run with NHigh and I found out that I held jump for six frames. :( I think another three or four frames are actually realistic if you do a one or two frame jump.

That's exactly where I was seeing them. You definitely are above the exit by the time you actually get there horizontally, so there's extra frames where you're falling into the exit. Those can be gotten rid of if you simply don't hold jump as long :) I seem to remember that its possible to not jump high enough to clear all the tiles between the jump and the exit, so if you held for 6 frames I would think 4 is the max you can shave, maybe only 3. Care to try it out?

This wouldn't be to hard to check, just take the demo data from the run and edit out the hold frames. Should be very easy to edit the demo after the CK.

[EddyMataGallos]

I analyzed the run with NHigh and I found out that I held jump for six frames. :( I think another three or four frames are actually realistic if you do a one or two frame jump.

That's exactly where I was seeing them. You definitely are above the exit by the time you actually get there horizontally, so there's extra frames where you're falling into the exit. Those can be gotten rid of if you simply don't hold jump as long :) I seem to remember that its possible to not jump high enough to clear all the tiles between the jump and the exit, so if you held for 6 frames I would think 4 is the max you can shave, maybe only 3. Care to try it out?

Yeah, but that depends on the angle which you hit the tile with. Macro's ck was pretty powerful and I think even a single frame would have taken him far enough. If you check my demo, on the other hand, you will see I had to hold longer because I didn't hit the ck with a powerful angle. I also think some time can be saved on the leftmost jump.

Anyway thats just talking about technical limits, not human limits, macrohenry's run pretty much reaches it already haha. But honestly jaw-dropping run macro, 4 cj's done so cleanly is impressive.

EDIT: Here's the demo, I edited out all the hold frames, a single frame jump is enough:
$80-0 - Jumping up the Valley#Eli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|5^756,300!11^756,300,36,132!0^48,132!0^42,120!0^30,120!0^42,144!0^54,120!0^60,132!0^54,144!0^48,108!0^36,108!0^66,114#319:220340770|89478485|89478485|89478485|22369621|17895697|17895697|17895697|89480465|89478485|89478485|89478485|89510165|89478485|17913173|17895697|17895697|17895697|17895697|17895697|89985297|17895697|17895697|17895697|40265324|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|107376162|35791462|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791394|35791406|35791394|35791394|35791394|8738#

The result is 102.025, so you technically lost 6 frames, sorry macro :/ (would have been a little less in real life of course, but still that could have been astou ding).

[macrohenry]

8 frames faster than Raif's MBD?!? Holy shit! But of course I had to mess up the very end of the run. -.- I might try to get some more frames someday. Btw, I think an even more powerful ck is possible.

Oh, and Eddy, how did you get the demo data?

[james_S]

fine then. thanks for the quick help robots

[zoasBE]

fine then. thanks for the quick help robots

http://forum.droni.es/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=355

There is a subforum for that, and having spended there just two minutes you'd found the answer quickly or even have asked there. Anyway, check the bottom of the first post in that link (NReality Main Thread) for what you can do to fix NReality's lag in OS which are not XP, although the best thing is play it in Windows XP, it has no lag and runs frankly smooth, much better than Nv2.0. I think the best way to play N, is playing NReality_6g2 under XP.

You're welcome.

EDIT: Please, go and buy a XP computer system! XD

[EddyMataGallos]

8 frames faster than Raif's MBD?!? Holy shit! But of course I had to mess up the very end of the run. -.- I might try to get some more frames someday. Btw, I think an even more powerful ck is possible.

Oh, and Eddy, how did you get the demo data?

Infunity: http://n.infunity.com/get_lv_demo_only.php?pk=85278 Try clicking on the scores, it takes you to the demo.
You can also get it from HarveyCartel (Metanet boards).

It is indeed impressive how faster that is compared to Raif's MBD. As for the ck, yeah a more powerful one could be possible, but I'm not sure you would save more time (you gain height, and you need to fall, so unless the ck is really horizontal, you would still need the same time to fall, but anyway thats very optimistic hehe).

[999_Springs]

Wait, just to be clear, this "Zella" fellow is xaelar, right? xela -> Zella

Or am I just nutso?

Negative.

It's a popular misconception - one that I initially held.
Topic.

i'm pretty sure i speak for most of us when i say i secretly believe they're the same

[ska]

Wait, just to be clear, this "Zella" fellow is xaelar, right? xela -> Zella

Or am I just nutso?

Negative.

It's a popular misconception - one that I initially held.
Topic.

i'm pretty sure i speak for most of us when i say i secretly believe they're the same

As I said earlier... I'm not going to be that surprised one way or the other... Last_FairyTail was an interesting alias... To do so again would just be... well... a bit lame. :/

[macrohenry]

Took 57-0, 57-3 and improved 57-1, making Ep57 my first ownage. ^_^

Oh, great 63-2, jp, but why didn't you post it here?

[alsojp27ace]

Took 57-0, 57-3 and improved 57-1, making Ep57 my first ownage. ^_^

Oh, great 63-2, jp, but why didn't you post it here?

I was too tired the night I took it :p
I also tied raif on 63-4 but couldn't quite get another frame

Edit: Just finished watching Episode 57, they are all amazing runs. gratz on the ownage.