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To me it would make no sense if their was nothing after you died. So I would say yes I do believe in life after death.

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Argument from personal incredulity.behappyy wrote:To me it would make no sense if their was nothing after you died. So I would say yes I do believe in life after death.

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I don't believe in life after death, in the same way I don't believe in god.
People have to start realizing that religion and that kind of stuff doesn't exist, it's just some invention by someone.
per example, the invention of "there is life after death" led to soldiers not afraid of dying, believing in a better world after death. this idea was used to influence children so that they don't do "bad" things.
Life ends with the death of the body. Your brain won't work again.
Oh, and yes, you do "revive" in form of other things, in result of your degeneration.
People have to start realizing that religion and that kind of stuff doesn't exist, it's just some invention by someone.
per example, the invention of "there is life after death" led to soldiers not afraid of dying, believing in a better world after death. this idea was used to influence children so that they don't do "bad" things.
Life ends with the death of the body. Your brain won't work again.
Oh, and yes, you do "revive" in form of other things, in result of your degeneration.

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I find a life after death improbable. that is, we do not currently know of any mechanism that would permit it. It is possible that one exists, I'm not confident that one does, though.
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Some people believe that it is your soul that continues to live on after you die, so just because your brain stops working, doesn't mean that your body can't live on in other ways. Your soul is supposed to 'carry' your personality, memories, etc., so isn't it then possible that your presence will be there in the form of a soul?Donfuy wrote:Life ends with the death of the body. Your brain won't work again.
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There are parts of your brain that work specifically for those things, since your memories to your personality.claire wrote:Some people believe that it is your soul that continues to live on after you die, so just because your brain stops working, doesn't mean that your body can't live on in other ways. Your soul is supposed to 'carry' your personality, memories, etc., so isn't it then possible that your presence will be there in the form of a soul?Donfuy wrote:Life ends with the death of the body. Your brain won't work again.

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What's a "soul," and how would it interact with the physical brain (which I hope we can agree is the physical manifestation of the soul)?claire wrote:Some people believe that it is your soul that continues to live on after you die, so just because your brain stops working, doesn't mean that your body can't live on in other ways. Your soul is supposed to 'carry' your personality, memories, etc., so isn't it then possible that your presence will be there in the form of a soul?Donfuy wrote:Life ends with the death of the body. Your brain won't work again.

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It's obvious -- Descartes "discovered" (arbitrarily decided) that the pineal gland is where the soul is anchored to the brain.DemonzLunchBreak wrote:What's a "soul," and how would it interact with the physical brain (which I hope we can agree is the physical manifestation of the soul)?
He gave supporting evidence:
- The pineal gland is a singular body.
(Actually, it's composed of two hemispheres.)
- The pineal gland is located near the ventricles, which contain animal spirits.
(No, they don't.)
- As only humans have souls, pineal glands are only found in humans.
(Pineal glands can be found in a wide variety of animal species.)
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It seems Tsukatu just decided to rebuttal his own argument this time. :PTsukatu wrote:It's obvious -- Descartes "discovered" (arbitrarily decided) that the pineal gland is where the soul is anchored to the brain.DemonzLunchBreak wrote:What's a "soul," and how would it interact with the physical brain (which I hope we can agree is the physical manifestation of the soul)?
He gave supporting evidence:
The pineal gland is a singular body.(Actually, it's composed of two hemispheres.)
The pineal gland is located near the ventricles, which contain animal spirits.(No, they don't.)
As only humans have souls, pineal glands are only found in humans.(Pineal glands can be found in a wide variety of animal species.)
My only hope is that there is a life after death scenario, it seems probable and why not. Sounds fun.
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when you die your brain goes on a permanent acid trip deep into the lower realms of the infinite universe until you succumb to a never ending wave of brilliant color and sound.
When you die will you immediately know everything and in this state of all-knowing you will create a sub-conscience dreamscape that is in itself divine.
When you die you will hear the most beautiful music that no human can possibly create, and your senses will be overwhelmed by a strange euphoria that you can't ignore.
When you die you will be happy.
When you die you will experience pain beyond comprehension, but you will not mind it because you will be distracted by the secret's of the universe. Which will be revealed to you like opening a giant book.
When you die you will live again, not in the form of a soul or a body, but in the form of a dream that only you can recognize.
Then you are born again and you remember nothing.
When you die will you immediately know everything and in this state of all-knowing you will create a sub-conscience dreamscape that is in itself divine.
When you die you will hear the most beautiful music that no human can possibly create, and your senses will be overwhelmed by a strange euphoria that you can't ignore.
When you die you will be happy.
When you die you will experience pain beyond comprehension, but you will not mind it because you will be distracted by the secret's of the universe. Which will be revealed to you like opening a giant book.
When you die you will live again, not in the form of a soul or a body, but in the form of a dream that only you can recognize.
Then you are born again and you remember nothing.

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Okay, seriously, LSD and internet do not mix.handofgod wrote:when you die your brain goes on a permanent acid trip deep into the lower realms of the infinite universe until you succumb to a never ending wave of brilliant color and sound.
When you die will you immediately know everything and in this state of all-knowing you will create a sub-conscience dreamscape that is in itself divine.
When you die you will hear the most beautiful music that no human can possibly create, and your senses will be overwhelmed by a strange euphoria that you can't ignore.
When you die you will be happy.
When you die you will experience pain beyond comprehension, but you will not mind it because you will be distracted by the secret's of the universe. Which will be revealed to you like opening a giant book.
When you die you will live again, not in the form of a soul or a body, but in the form of a dream that only you can recognize.
Then you are born again and you remember nothing.
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At the risk of violating a rule, you and I must be visiting different Internets.Tsukatu wrote:Okay, seriously, LSD and internet do not mix.handofgod wrote:when you die your brain goes on a permanent acid trip deep into the lower realms of the infinite universe until you succumb to a never ending wave of brilliant color and sound.
When you die will you immediately know everything and in this state of all-knowing you will create a sub-conscience dreamscape that is in itself divine.
When you die you will hear the most beautiful music that no human can possibly create, and your senses will be overwhelmed by a strange euphoria that you can't ignore.
When you die you will be happy.
When you die you will experience pain beyond comprehension, but you will not mind it because you will be distracted by the secret's of the universe. Which will be revealed to you like opening a giant book.
When you die you will live again, not in the form of a soul or a body, but in the form of a dream that only you can recognize.
Then you are born again and you remember nothing.
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You can't choose to believe in the afterlife. Belief is something that is a natural part of your rationality. So external factors (e.g that you'd rather there was an afterlife, regardless of whether you think there is or not) don't come into it. Most importantly, if you believe in God, the all-knowing, then it follows that he knows what you really believe. You may be able to fool others that you believe in something, but you can't truly choose to believe in what suits you.yungerkid wrote:there is no proof of an afterlife. there is no disproof of an afterlife. so i personally do not know solidly whether there is or is not an afterlife. but i know that i can choose to either believe in an afterlife, or not believe in one. and there is no harm in believing in it, even though there is no truth. Christianity's assertions about an afterlife could be either true, or false. if i believe in an afterlife, and the assertions are true, then i will receive an award for it. no effort involved. but if i believe in an afterlife (and Christianity's assertions about it) and the assertions (and the afterlife's existence) are false and nonexistent, then i will have lost nothing. so with that in mind, i prefer to believe in an afterlife as Christianity defines it. i do not have proof of it, and i do not have disproof of it. but i believe that it is true, merely because there is no potential loss for doing so.
edit: i forgot to wrap this up. *however, if i do not believe in an afterlife, then i will stand to a potential loss, with no potential gain. ultimately, the situation has two options. i can either stand to a potential loss with no potential gain (not believing), or i can stand to a potential gain with no potential loss (believing). the fact that i cannot say whether there actually *will* be a loss or gain in either of these scenarios is irrelevant; whether i actually get the loss or gain is irrelevant as well. considering probabilities, belief is better.
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I respectfully disagree with my esteemed colleague. I think if you want something long enough, it can eventually turn to belief. Perhaps not 'true' belief (however you define that) but belief nonetheless.Sweep wrote:You can't choose to believe in the afterlife. Belief is something that is a natural part of your rationality. So external factors (e.g that you'd rather there was an afterlife, regardless of whether you think there is or not) don't come into it. Most importantly, if you believe in God, the all-knowing, then it follows that he knows what you really believe. You may be able to fool others that you believe in something, but you can't truly choose to believe in what suits you.yungerkid wrote:there is no proof of an afterlife. there is no disproof of an afterlife. so i personally do not know solidly whether there is or is not an afterlife. but i know that i can choose to either believe in an afterlife, or not believe in one. and there is no harm in believing in it, even though there is no truth. Christianity's assertions about an afterlife could be either true, or false. if i believe in an afterlife, and the assertions are true, then i will receive an award for it. no effort involved. but if i believe in an afterlife (and Christianity's assertions about it) and the assertions (and the afterlife's existence) are false and nonexistent, then i will have lost nothing. so with that in mind, i prefer to believe in an afterlife as Christianity defines it. i do not have proof of it, and i do not have disproof of it. but i believe that it is true, merely because there is no potential loss for doing so.
edit: i forgot to wrap this up. *however, if i do not believe in an afterlife, then i will stand to a potential loss, with no potential gain. ultimately, the situation has two options. i can either stand to a potential loss with no potential gain (not believing), or i can stand to a potential gain with no potential loss (believing). the fact that i cannot say whether there actually *will* be a loss or gain in either of these scenarios is irrelevant; whether i actually get the loss or gain is irrelevant as well. considering probabilities, belief is better.
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I understand what you're getting at. And I half-way agree. But I think you're missing the point - if you do want that thing long enough, and it eventually turns into belief, that can still only happen if you essentially think that it's true. Beliefs aim at truth. That is the nature of them.jean-luc wrote:I respectfully disagree with my esteemed colleague. I think if you want something long enough, it can eventually turn to belief. Perhaps not 'true' belief (however you define that) but belief nonetheless.Sweep wrote:You can't choose to believe in the afterlife. Belief is something that is a natural part of your rationality. So external factors (e.g that you'd rather there was an afterlife, regardless of whether you think there is or not) don't come into it. Most importantly, if you believe in God, the all-knowing, then it follows that he knows what you really believe. You may be able to fool others that you believe in something, but you can't truly choose to believe in what suits you.yungerkid wrote:there is no proof of an afterlife. there is no disproof of an afterlife. so i personally do not know solidly whether there is or is not an afterlife. but i know that i can choose to either believe in an afterlife, or not believe in one. and there is no harm in believing in it, even though there is no truth. Christianity's assertions about an afterlife could be either true, or false. if i believe in an afterlife, and the assertions are true, then i will receive an award for it. no effort involved. but if i believe in an afterlife (and Christianity's assertions about it) and the assertions (and the afterlife's existence) are false and nonexistent, then i will have lost nothing. so with that in mind, i prefer to believe in an afterlife as Christianity defines it. i do not have proof of it, and i do not have disproof of it. but i believe that it is true, merely because there is no potential loss for doing so.
edit: i forgot to wrap this up. *however, if i do not believe in an afterlife, then i will stand to a potential loss, with no potential gain. ultimately, the situation has two options. i can either stand to a potential loss with no potential gain (not believing), or i can stand to a potential gain with no potential loss (believing). the fact that i cannot say whether there actually *will* be a loss or gain in either of these scenarios is irrelevant; whether i actually get the loss or gain is irrelevant as well. considering probabilities, belief is better.
And, so, you can't just one day realize that the afterlife would be totally wicked, and therefore suddenly start to believe in it. Maybe given enough time, and strength of will, the preference could turn into a belief, but by that point your reason for believing in the afterlife would not be because of the preference, but entirely out of faith.
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This is what a reasonable person wouldn't do. Unfortunately, I know plenty who do just that. It takes effort to refrain from trying to hurt them.Sweep wrote:you can't just one day realize that the afterlife would be totally wicked, and therefore suddenly start to believe in it.
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it seems to me it doesn't matter what happens after you die
i mean your dead, and thats not going to change, and its going to happen
an afterlife would make many people feel less afraid of dying, because the idea of not existing is incomprehensible
it doesn't matter if you believe in an afterlife or don't, because either way whatever happens happens, and your not going to be able to say "i told you so" after your dead.
personally, i would like there to be an afterlife, but i don't think there is
what about a beforelife? assuming there is an afterlife, there must be a beforelife too, because you are assuming that human "souls" are immortal
and if there was a "beforelife" you don't remember it. so if there /was/ an afterlife, chances are you would have no idea what happened in this life. maybe we are in the afterlife as we speak. or some of us, anyway
i mean your dead, and thats not going to change, and its going to happen
an afterlife would make many people feel less afraid of dying, because the idea of not existing is incomprehensible
it doesn't matter if you believe in an afterlife or don't, because either way whatever happens happens, and your not going to be able to say "i told you so" after your dead.
personally, i would like there to be an afterlife, but i don't think there is
what about a beforelife? assuming there is an afterlife, there must be a beforelife too, because you are assuming that human "souls" are immortal
and if there was a "beforelife" you don't remember it. so if there /was/ an afterlife, chances are you would have no idea what happened in this life. maybe we are in the afterlife as we speak. or some of us, anyway

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Hm, what about people who seek evidence to support things they want to believe in, and ignore evidence that conflicts with their desired belief?sweep wrote:I understand what you're getting at. And I half-way agree. But I think you're missing the point - if you do want that thing long enough, and it eventually turns into belief, that can still only happen if you essentially think that it's true. Beliefs aim at truth. That is the nature of them.
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They build multimillion dollar museums in Kentucky.SkyPanda wrote:Hm, what about people who seek evidence to support things they want to believe in, and ignore evidence that conflicts with their desired belief?sweep wrote:I understand what you're getting at. And I half-way agree. But I think you're missing the point - if you do want that thing long enough, and it eventually turns into belief, that can still only happen if you essentially think that it's true. Beliefs aim at truth. That is the nature of them.
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I'm vaguely aware that Kentucky is likely to be a place in the USA, but all I can think about is fried chicken. So that one was wasted on me.Tsukatu wrote:They build multimillion dollar museums in Kentucky.
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Yes, it is in the US. It's in the mid-east. A bit southern, too. I'd have to have a map in front of me to tell exactly where it is.SkyPanda wrote: I'm vaguely aware that Kentucky is likely to be a place in the USA, but all I can think about is fried chicken. So that one was wasted on me.

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I am by no means a fan of Pascals Wager. I thoroughly dislike it.
But i also find it quite frustrating when people create arbitrary deities with arbitrary means of getting into their "afterlife" for the sake of explaining their point of view.
But i also find it quite frustrating when people create arbitrary deities with arbitrary means of getting into their "afterlife" for the sake of explaining their point of view.
I feel the top of the roof come off, kill everybody there as I'm watching all the stars burn out, trying to pretend that I care.
But I didn't, no-one ever does, and I would, no-one ever will
Can't you see it's all flown out of my hands and our clothes are all too often ripped and our teeth are all too often gnashed and it lasts as long as it possibly can but I just don't accept this.
I just don't accept this at all.
Faces sweaty, arms and legs, what a glorious set of stairs we make.
We kill everyone with arrowheads, arrowheads, arrowheads. Thank god that's over.
But I didn't, no-one ever does, and I would, no-one ever will
Can't you see it's all flown out of my hands and our clothes are all too often ripped and our teeth are all too often gnashed and it lasts as long as it possibly can but I just don't accept this.
I just don't accept this at all.
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...the birth of every religion, ever?Deathconsciousness wrote:But i also find it quite frustrating when people create arbitrary deities with arbitrary means of getting into their "afterlife" for the sake of explaining their point of view.
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