Metanet 0ths Thread

[ska]

Ultra top secret thingy

[EddyMataGallos]

Hey macro, jp, golf, TRO, Raif, dan, Kool, LouDog, etc I wanna see y'all joining that :P
Cleaned 12-3 a little bit, and retook 5-4.

[LouDog004]

I'm not sure what I'd contribute to a highscoring podcast, but I'm game, I suppose.

[ska]

I'm not sure what I'd contribute to a highscoring podcast, but I'm game, I suppose.

Are you kidding me? You're still ranked #14th in Total Episode Score and I often see you lay down some good Numa/NReality runs once in a while. You're one of the few players here who witnessed practically the whole spectrum of highscoring. I think it would be great to hear your thoughts...
I myself thought xaelar would be the last grandmaster ever, but we've had 2 more since then!

[macrohenry]

Retook 12-3 and 68-4.

EDIT: Very clean 68-4. :( Retook 05-4.

[ska]

nice 68-2 improvement! That end was S-I-C-K.

It intrigues me that you're still the only one to pull off that route.

[EddyMataGallos]

Retook 12-3 and 68-4.

EDIT: Very clean 68-4. :( Retook 05-4.

Thanks man, grabbed all 3 back ;) I find it interesting that 68-4 is now over 4 secs over lat's ex-0th with basically the same route barring some innovs, thats cool :P The same happens with 5-4, 2 secs over van's ex-0th with no innovs at all.

I agree with your 68-2 btw, it kicks ass.

[TheRealOne]

Retook 12-3 and 68-4.

EDIT: Very clean 68-4. :( Retook 05-4.

Thanks man, grabbed all 3 back ;) I find it interesting that 68-4 is now over 4 secs over lat's ex-0th with basically the same route barring some innovs, thats cool :P The same happens with 5-4, 2 secs over van's ex-0th with no innovs at all.

I agree with your 68-2 btw, it kicks ass.

The BEAST Has Awoken!

Macro you poked the bear too hard. Taking all of his 0ths since the last rankings was one think, but taking his TLS 0th that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Sick stuff Eddy.

[alsojp27ace]

Retook 12-3 and 68-4.

EDIT: Very clean 68-4. :( Retook 05-4.

Thanks man, grabbed all 3 back ;) I find it interesting that 68-4 is now over 4 secs over lat's ex-0th with basically the same route barring some innovs, thats cool :P The same happens with 5-4, 2 secs over van's ex-0th with no innovs at all.

I agree with your 68-2 btw, it kicks ass.

Sick runs Eddy, having watched you and Macro battle 5-4 I'd say there's still about a second left in that run, hopefully that battle will go another few rounds.
It's awesome to see my 12-3 route so cleanly executed too, its now almost 4 whole seconds faster than xaelar's previous 0th.

Edit: Taken 11-4, I swear that final triple gave me more speed than it normally does. (Also I have 2 scores submitted for some reason, don't know if there's a way to remove the other one).

[macrohenry]

Retook 05-4 with a tricky innovation. Unfortunately I missed a walljump. :( 131+ is possible with a very clean run. Also took 60-3.

[golf]

So macro... only .5 - .8 seconds left on 5-4? LOL Great innov, its about time somebody figured out how to agd that level. I don't see that getting used very often, looks like its got just a couple frames leeway.

Also congrats on 11-4 jp, nice clean run.

Edit: Just took 53-0 away from Eddy and macro :D

[ska]

Retook 05-4 with a tricky innovation. Unfortunately I missed a walljump. :( 131+ is possible with a very clean run. Also took 60-3.

I was going to ask about the other piece of gold on 05-4, since It was talked about years ago and was actually done in a run. (I remember reading about it on the old forums I think.)

Very nice 60-3 as well :)

Edit: nice 0ths JP and golf ;P

[macrohenry]

Took 83-3 and 95-2(sorry, golf, but that was one of my worst scores).

[golf]

Nice run macro on 95-2. Thats such a tough level to get a clean run the whole way through just because of how long it takes. Unfortunately I don't think I have the time anymore to try and mount a serious defense :(

[ska]

Nice run macro on 95-2. Thats such a tough level to get a clean run the whole way through just because of how long it takes. Unfortunately I don't think I have the time anymore to try and mount a serious defense :(

ooof. brutal... you can do this, golf!

[golf]

Thanks for the vote of confidence ska, but with 2 jobs now and if my day job goes this week the way it was last week, I'll be working probably close to 50 hours between the two of them. That doesn't leave a whole lot of time to do much else other than sleep and eat, unfortunately. And I remember from taking that level last time, it took me a while to get the route down with any sort of consistency to attempt to take it back and I won't have that kind of time.

[TheRealOne]

Took 83-3 and 95-2(sorry, golf, but that was one of my worst scores).

Ooof... You take the man's 0th by 3 frames? That stings. I think you have to take it back golf. There is just no way around it.

Edit: With total respect to your 83-3 run Macro, that map sucks. That has to be the least optimized level in the game. Don't get me wrong; I have nothing to offer in the way of a route nor do I have any ambition to play that level so I totally understand. That level just sucks all around.

[EddyMataGallos]

Grabbed all 5-4, 83-3 and 11-4 back. 5-4 with 131 as macro suggested, but its cleanable, it can be seen. Interestingly, I was also gonna attack 95-2 the other day, because its also my biggest difference, but I spend that time retaking 12-3 instead. So I might take a shot at it later.

Edit: With total respect to your 83-3 run Macro, that map sucks. That has to be the least optimized level in the game. Don't get me wrong; I have nothing to offer in the way of a route nor do I have any ambition to play that level so I totally understand. That level just sucks all around.

Noooo, 83-3 sucks when you beat it for the first time, because you go chaotic and its very easy to get trapped in many places. When being highscored, however, the route avoids all that and it just turns into the likes of any other level. I actually have good fun when highscoring it (when I beat it for the first time, on the other hand, I hated it the most).

So macro... only .5 - .8 seconds left on 5-4?

I think it was me who said that on Skype the other day, though I was of course referring to just cleaning, without any innovs. macro's AGD route allows for an equally fast run but taking the extra gold, so basically now that would change to 2.5 - 2.8 left.

[TheRealOne]

Grabbed all 5-4, 83-3 and 11-4 back. 5-4 with 131 as macro suggested, but its cleanable, it can be seen. Interestingly, I was also gonna attack 95-2 the other day, because its also my biggest difference, but I spend that time retaking 12-3 instead. So I might take a shot at it later.

BEASTMODEEDDY! 11-4 is now a game of who can get the two perfect triples. Still a lot of time left with a perfect triple on the way out on the left.

[EddyMataGallos]

Grabbed all 5-4, 83-3 and 11-4 back. 5-4 with 131 as macro suggested, but its cleanable, it can be seen. Interestingly, I was also gonna attack 95-2 the other day, because its also my biggest difference, but I spend that time retaking 12-3 instead. So I might take a shot at it later.

BEASTMODEEDDY! 11-4 is now a game of who can get the two perfect triples. Still a lot of time left with a perfect triple on the way out on the left.

Thanks man :D You are right, on the last triple there's quite a bit that can be saved. There's a limit though, as I had some triples that were too fast and made me hit the tiles on the way down, but still.

By the way, I squeezed one more frame on 24-1, so Seifer loses a 0th :P That might be the last one he loses, although we know 30-2 and 94-2 are not maxed.

[alsojp27ace]

Awesome runs again Eddy. I agree with TRO that 83-3 is probably one of the least optimized runs, the problem is that most of the gold just isn't worth getting.

If you plan on taking a shot at 95-2, here's an innov that saves a few seconds (Its basically doing the end of the run at the start, but then carrying on like normal)
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To be honest though its probably not worth the extra difficulty in such a long run, I was just mucking about MBDing before I realized it would take about a year to do the whole level.

[golf]

Interestingly, I was also gonna attack 95-2 the other day, because its also my biggest difference, but I spend that time retaking 12-3 instead. So I might take a shot at it later.

If Eddy and macro get into a battle on 95-2, then I know there's no chance of me ever taking it back. I'll have to be satisfied with the memory of taking a Lim 0th, which ranks alongside 85-1 and 89-4.

[crunchytoast]

that is a beautiful run on 5-4 eddy... I hope I get to watch more of those in the future...

[ska]

So macro... only .5 - .8 seconds left on 5-4?

I think it was me who said that on Skype the other day, though I was of course referring to just cleaning, without any innovs. macro's AGD route allows for an equally fast run but taking the extra gold, so basically now that would change to 2.5 - 2.8 left.

Yes it was - I asked you how much time you thought was left. Thankfully for you, that part of the recording was the one minute in 3 hours that we actually lost.

Edit: improved Eddy's 24-1 by one frame in FBF
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[EddyMataGallos]

@jp: Damn, "a few seconds" is no joke! Its adds a lot of difficulty indeed though.

@ska: Haha true, future embarrasing moment avoided. Btw, cool demo, so there is still a frame left, I wondered why Raif had made no MBD of such short level.

@crunchy: Thanks man :D

EDIT: Took a shot at 95-2 and took it, but as we already knew, its way cleanable, even to the standards of such lengthy levels.