Are you okay with gays?

[blue_tetris]

Sure, and a pine tree is just as human as anyone, just with different DNA

. What has that got to do with anything

He has implied that, because straight people and gay people have genetic differences, the genetic disparity between the two groups is equal to the disparity between a pine tree and a hominid.

[Geti]

Has it been proven that a gay person has a different genetic makeup, if not then we are all the same, all human

if so, this comment is irellevant

He has implied that, because straight people and gay people have genetic differences, the genetic disparity between the two groups is equal to the disparity between a pine tree and a hominid.

in other words, yes, there are genetic differences, but still, we are all human you must realise genetically differentiated != different species.

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anyone else noticed that evil_sire stopped posting about two pages ago? brilliant.

lets do a highlights montage shall we?

Not what I meant. I don't mind lesbians because they are the opposite sex. To me, guys with guys is just wrong, girls with girls isn't wrong. Secondly, I wouldn't want to see lesbians having sex or anything else. But I certainly wouldn't want to see guys having sex with guys.

The queerness, the accent is horrible and wierd
The gay movements, when I'm in a park I don't want to see gays kissing, thankyou very much
THEY PUBLICIZE IT. This isn't racist, BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO BE GAY. You can't choose to be fat, you can't choose to be black, you just are. They choose it, and they suffer from it.

Well a man being attached to a woman is natural. They choose to like other men.
Well, I wouldn't know.

I started to find women attractive when I was about 7, when I was watching TV and saw fit women. So no I didn't have "no conscious decision", it was a conscious choice to find women attractive.

If you walked up to a gay, and said "bender", nothing would happen.

I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO ARGUE WITH YOU. I'm contraversal, stop encouraging me because I want to flame you so, so badly.

Cue: Exeunt, Evil_Sire

shut the fuck up about fatties

shut the fuck up about fatties

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sorry, i know we're meant to be civil, but ugh. ugh.

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In other news:
lord_day, tanner, that was incredible. the lols lasted a good 2 min from lord_day's awesome, and then started up again at tanners pic.
but, that picture (not the hat one) does bring me to another point. not all homosexual partners engage in "buttsecks", just like not all heterosexual couples are limited to vaginal intercourse. its all up to personal preference. besides, theres a lot you can do with a body.

Well a man being attached to a woman is natural.

Pick one of the following:

1. There is a conspiracy among doctors worldwide. Every now and again, they implant a microchip into a newborn's brain to change his sexual preferences to that of the opposite gender. Every animal species on the face of the Earth is secretly as intelligent as humankind and follows this same practice.
2. Homosexuality is natural.

one of the best posts in this thread. read it again everyone.

thanks to tsuki, atob, b_t, demonz, atilla, jean-luc, fotf, lord_day, tanner and a few others that are off my review space for their admirable views on this topic, plus their eloquence. it makes the debate enjoyable.
sorry for this post sounding, well, angry. it shouldnt, im still laughing, but i suppose its still a touchy feely topic. sorry for the massive post, too; my bad ^________^"

[jean-luc]

Sure, and a pine tree is just as human as anyone, just with different DNA

. What has that got to do with anything

He has implied that, because straight people and gay people have genetic differences, the genetic disparity between the two groups is equal to the disparity between a pine tree and a hominid.

The genetic differentiation (and remember that no 'gay gene' has been isolated yet) would be very minor, the same kind of differentiation that results in, say, different eye colors.

Most of you probably know this, but for the sake of clarity...

@Geti: you're welcome. I like a good debate now and then - I think argument is valuable intellectual exercise, at least when carried out in a civil, intelligent manner.

[Tanner]

As a christian i am expected to have a problem with homosexual people, however i have no problem

First of all, I applaud your good sense at not hating other people for reasons that are in no one's control.

Second of all, I do expect Christians to have a problem with homosexual people but I shouldn't. Christians should have a problem with homosexuality but they should still be neighbors, friends and family members to those who practice it. Love the sinner, hate the sin, anyone? Jesus ate with the tax collector not because he condoned what he did but because he loved him as a human being and wanted to show him love and respect despite the conflict in their beliefs.

theres a lot you can do with a body

Amen, brother. Amen.

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

and that says to me that you think you know better than God.

I have no belief that I am smarter, better or in anyway greater than God, it is his word I interpret and from that I lead my life

Apparently not:

just read leviticus in the bible and you will find thousands of rules, that I dont entirely agree with. So if i am to challenge God's morality on respecting people that lie and cheat then why can i not respect gay people

It appears to me that there's a heck of a lot that God asks you to do that you refuse to, so how could you say that you live your life according to the way God wants you to if there's at least a one chapter full of orders that you flat-out ignore. No, you pick and choose a few things suggested, and for the rest you do your own thing -- how is that any different from being a hedonist?
The fact that you don't follow God's instructions doesn't give you license to ignore even more. No, what it does do is make you a terrible Christian.

But if you actually believe that there is an omniscient God out there, you know that He asks you to do certain things, and you refuse, then (A) you are saying that you know better than God; if you weren't, you'd be following His instructions; and (B) you've gotta be completely off your rocker!! He's God; you aren't. No one in their right mind would choose to go with their gut over the word of an expert of such magnitude. He knows all about the causes and effects of homosexuality -- He invented it (along with cause and effect)! He hand-chooses exactly whom He wishes to afflict it upon (He's made it clear that it's undesirable) and how it will affect them, and He's telling you how you should act toward it... and, let me get this straight, you've heard the opinion of God, the God of all things that ever were and ever will be, definitionally the absolute highest standard of intelligence, morality, and reason, and you're not only ignoring it, but you're openly doing the opposite??
How are you not expecting to go to Hell? This is very simple stuff, dude -- do what God says and you'll go to Heaven; you're not doing what God says (in fact, you're doing the opposite); what on Earth would make you believe you're going to Heaven?

Or at the very least stop calling yourself a Christian.

Jesus ate with the tax collector not because he condoned what he did but because he loved him as a human being and wanted to show him love and respect despite the conflict in their beliefs.

Thanks for that rennaT,

Liked that, did you?
Here's some more stuff Jesus wants you to do: http://forum.therealn.com/viewtopic.php?p=12758#p12758

[Geti]

tsuki, you have great insight.
everyone applaud the man with great insight.

[PF]

I'm straight myself, but I have nothing against gays or what they are doing, it's their decision. Evil, BE, and zander should leave them alone, since they have done nothing that they should be ashamed of. People should respect a person's sexual preferences, not attack them for it.

[Brainwasher]

On Christianity God and whatnot:
In liviticus it said that "you shall not lie with another man", not you shall not like other men. The only thing that God doesn't like is the sex that gay people have; being gay is fine with Him. I know plenty of gay people that lead good lives, and will probably go to heaven (I don't know as I am not God). Liviticus was also written for the Jewish faith, and contains many "outdated" rules that were for guidance in Moses's time and therearound time. Also, following every rule to the period is called literalism, and is frouned upon by christianity in general.
Another thing: Be_nspired is not yours to judge, general populace and tsaku. Really, nobody is worthy of going to heaven (nixing Jesus and Mary), but people are allowed into the gates because of God's love and mercy.

[blue_tetris]

Love the barber, hate the haircut.

[Brainwasher]

I have never heard that before. Does it mean that you love me as a character, but not what I am saying?

[Condog]

Love the barber, hate the haircut.

Love God, but not what he says.

[Deathconciousness]

Love the barber, hate the haircut.

Love God, but not what he says.

this doesn't make any sense at all, unless of course you were being facetious

[Turtle]

Love the barber, hate the haircut.

Love God, but not what he says.

this doesn't make any sense at all, unless of course you were being facetious

Think of it this way. Who created the world, according to Christians (and other religions)? God.
Do all Christians (and other religions) follow all of God's teachings, and thus love what He said? No.
Love God, hate (or at least don't follow) His words.
Who made the haircut? The barber
Do you necessarily like the haircut? No
Love the barber, hate the haircut

[blue_tetris]

I was being ironic.

If I went to a barber and I got a bad haircut, I'd start going to a different barber.

[Deathconciousness]

Think of it this way. Who created the world, according to Christians (and other religions)? God.
Do all Christians (and other religions) follow all of God's teachings, and thus love what He said? No.
Love God, hate (or at least don't follow) His words.
Who made the haircut? The barber
Do you necessarily like the haircut? No
Love the barber, hate the haircut

again this is internally inconsistent. assuming God is real, then his word would have overbearing meaning over everything (unless he chose the words to not have any meaning at all, but thats a different issue all together).
However, if you're trying to talk about the how people misinterpret and construe the original meaning of God's word, then yes, i would agree that you should hate the medium of the interpretation, and not God himself (if you're a theist).

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

again this is internally inconsistent. assuming God is real, then his word would have overbearing meaning over everything (unless he chose the words to not have any meaning at all, but thats a different issue all together).

This would only be internally inconsistent if you work under the assumptions that God is benevolent and honest above all else. Otherwise, what's to stop a god from making a universe, making an internal moral compass, and then openly spreading a conflicting morality via sources humans should not trust to be reliable? He could be doing it to see how humans respond, He could just be a dick, what have you. But this is in no way internally inconsistent.
Which isn't to say it's sensible. On the contrary, that's one of the least reasonable views of God I have ever seen. But the problem isn't that it's internally inconsistent.

[Deathconciousness]

again this is internally inconsistent. assuming God is real, then his word would have overbearing meaning over everything (unless he chose the words to not have any meaning at all, but thats a different issue all together).

This would only be internally inconsistent if you work under the assumptions that God is benevolent and honest above all else. Otherwise, what's to stop a god from making a universe, making an internal moral compass, and then openly spreading a conflicting morality via sources humans should not trust to be reliable? He could be doing it to see how humans respond, He could just be a dick, what have you. But this is in no way internally inconsistent.
Which isn't to say it's sensible. On the contrary, that's one of the least reasonable views of God I have ever seen. But the problem isn't that it's internally inconsistent.

Granted completely, but i was more referring to how the Judeo-Christian God would be viewed, and not necessarily any God that could be.

[Brocerius]

I hate it when people say 'Gays are people too', as if thats a surprise. That should be so far from debatable that it need not be mentioned...

Furthermore, it has no bearing on whether you are okay with them. Hitler was a person too.


Its sad that people still need to reassure each other (and themselvse) that they are 'okay' with homosexuality.

[DoctorAperture]

Well...

I used to hate gays until I realizedI was gay; now I hate other gays!

[unoriginal name]

Well...

I used to hate gays until I realizedI was gay; now I hate other gays!

. . .

Get out of Debate and never come back.

[otters]

Well...

I used to hate gays until I realizedI was gay; now I hate other gays!

How do you live with yourself?

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

Guys, I don't know if I'm presuming here or anything, but I think, maybe, just maybe, that Eternal Boredom was making a joke.
Like, he doesn't actually hate all gay people. Like, he was kidding about that. Like, as a joke. To be funny.

[otters]

It was a highly stupid joke.

[scythe]

It was a highly stupid joke.

No, it wasn't, it was quite clever.
The sad part is that I've met people like that.

[blue_tetris]

I liked the joke.

DEVELOP HUMOR AGAIN METANET. IT'S BEEN YEARS.