The Neditor Nation Discussion Thread

[Pheidippides]

The Neditor Nation Discussion Thread

This thread is for everything about Neditor Nation that does not involve signups or Gym challenges. Feel free to post any questions or comments, arrange scrimmages, volunteer for a Judging position, or talk about the latest contest happenings here.

Here are a few important links concerning the contest:

• The Neditor Nation blog page, which includes contest rules and other goodies. Weekly rankings and Special Events will be announced on the Transcend. Blog’s main page.
• The Neditor Nation Signup Thread, your first step towards becoming the next Neditor Nation Champion!
• The Neditor Nation Gym Challenge Thread, where you can test your skills against Neditor Nation’s eight Gym Leaders.
• The Neditor Nation NUMA Link, where you can view all maps made for the contest.

Enjoy the contest!

[Zivilyn]

Do we still have to do them in order? Templex's Gym isn't even posted yet.

[Pheidippides]

Do we still have to do them in order? Templex's Gym isn't even posted yet.

Yes, you have to do them in order. I'm going to upload the remaining Gym maps in a .txt for competitors to use until the maps are submitted to NUMA.

Edit: I forgot about [ map ] tags. The Gym maps not on NUMA are in map data boxes in the Gym Challenge Thread.

[jackass]

I just need to get the rules strait:

Correct me if im wrong but:

1. We have to do the gyms in order?
2. When we chanllenge a gym we make a map according to the rules and post it on numa?
3.Can we post demos on any gyms whenever we want?
4. Will theyre be gym badges? or how do you kknow if they have completed what gyms?
5. Scrummages can have anyrules and the 3rd person pm's you the results? When?

[Pheidippides]

I just need to get the rules strait:

Correct me if im wrong but:

1. We have to do the gyms in order?
2. When we chanllenge a gym we make a map according to the rules and post it on numa?
3.Can we post demos on any gyms whenever we want?
4. Will theyre be gym badges? or how do you kknow if they have completed what gyms?
5. Scrummages can have anyrules and the 3rd person pm's you the results? When?

1. Yes.
2. Exactly.
3. I don't see why not.
4. I will be keeping track of everyone in a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet, so I will know how everyone's doing.
5. The third person emails the result to transcendblog(at)gmail(dot)com as soon as he has judged both maps. I will update the spreadsheet accordingly.

[jackass]

Sweet i think i pretty much understand it now ... ?

Well at least i think i do lol :D

[spudzalot]

I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was. To make maps is my real quest, to play them is my cause...

[Erik-Player]

Do we just have to get a better score than the gym leader's map to win?

[MattKestrel]

Are we allowed to submit N-reality maps?

[Pheidippides]

First off, spudz, that was excellent. xD

To answer Erik-Payer, the Judge has to give you a higher score than they personally gave the Gym map.

To answer GTM, no.

[Erik-Player]

The Judge has to give you a higher score than they personally gave the Gym map.

Okay.

[yappydog]

May I suggest a revival of the Neditor Nation competitor sig tags from the last forum?

Perhaps this...

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From Pheidippides' post on the previous forum

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[Pheidippides]

May I suggest a revival of the Neditor Nation competitor sig tags from the last forum?

Perhaps this...

Empty sig tag.png

?

Maybe, but they'll look better than that, I'll assure you. :)

[otters]

I just need to get the rules strait:

Correct me if im wrong but:

1. We have to do the gyms in order?
2. When we chanllenge a gym we make a map according to the rules and post it on numa?
3.Can we post demos on any gyms whenever we want?
4. Will theyre be gym badges? or how do you kknow if they have completed what gyms?
5. Scrummages can have anyrules and the 3rd person pm's you the results? When?

4. I will be keeping track of everyone in a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet, so I will know how everyone's doing.

I made gym-specific badges for you...where'd they go?

[spudzalot]

One random little question.

If I give a completion and an agd do I get "extra credit" or is an agd the highest possible. I'm pretty sure about it but just want to make sure.

*goes and starts first map*

[Pheidippides]

spudzalot, an AGD is pretty much a completion demo where you happen to get all the gold. The AGD bonus replaces the completion bonus, meaning +3 is the most you can add to your score for demoing a Gym map.

[Hoohah2x2sday]

sorry, i know we have to do the gyms in order....but what is that order?

where can i find it, i guess im asking.

[Pheidippides]

The Gym order can be found on this page, either in the Gyms section of the rules or at the bottom of the page, where all the Gyms and their rules are listed.

[jackass]

I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was. To make maps is my real quest, to play them is my cause...

I will travel across the maps, searching for the gold. Each N Player To Understand, The Power thats inside.

Lol this is fun

[Pheidippides]

I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was. To make maps is my real quest, to play them is my cause...

I will travel across the maps, searching for the gold. Each N Player To Understand, The Power that it holds.

Lol this is fun

Fixed so it rhymes. It is fun. :)

[MattKestrel]

Wait... demoing a map gives you more points? Crap :)

[spudzalot]

What part of DO THE GYMS IN ORDER do you people not understand?

[MattKestrel]

Just a little query about the judging system. It seems that the difference in judge's opinions of the gym maps is quite large, with X giving Templex's map ****, whilst Y gave it ****, almost **** more marks than X gave it. Perhaps a fairer system would be to have all of the judges judge each gym map, and then find an average between them to set as the definitive rating for the gym map; a fixed guideline to pass?

Hopefully this will avoid instances where a map rated higher than another by one judge doesnt make it through, whilst a person with a lower-ranking map than the first-person's gets through.

Edited out the scores. Also, the average wouldn't help much; it would only make different Judges harder to win with. With the average, you'll be less likely to win with a Judge that typically gives lower marks instead of a Judge that gives higher marks. My two cents. See my post on the next page.

--Pheidippides

[yappydog]

Just a little query about the judging system. It seems that the difference in judge's opinions of the gym maps is quite large, with ***** I think giving *****'s map *****, whilst ***** gave it *****, almost ***** more marks than ***** (I think) gave it. Perhaps a fairer system would be to have all of the judges judge each gym map, and then find an average between them to set as the definitive rating for the gym map; a fixed guideline to pass?

Hopefully this will avoid instances where a map rated higher than another by one judge doesnt make it through, whilst a person with a lower-ranking map than the first-person's gets through.

Two things:
1) I do sort of agree with the idea of averaging the judge's marks for relative quality, but now the contest's started it'd be unfair to change the rules; more importantly:

2) How do you know the judges' scores for Leaders? I'm a judge, and unless I've missed some clever post of Pheidippides' (possible), I don't see how I could know the other judges' scores.


Obviously, the problem in 1) is solved if issue 2) is removed. If you don't know the judges' scores, all you know is "I won" (OK, next Gym) or "I lost" (Make a better map, regardless of which Judge for, next week). If these scores are on the Net, I fear we'll get lots of "Why's X judging me? I want to be judged by Y, I'm more likely to win" posts.

[MattKestrel]

Hmmm. Well I was given the scores of both **** map and my map by ****, so I assumed that these scores were public (I think I saw the same on another map) I also assumed that the judges all shared what marks they had given w/e maps anyway, but I guess to assume makes an ass out of u and me.

However, I agree in that the scores shouldnt necessarily be made public, so ill remove them from my map and encourage others to do the same.