The Pirate Bay founders sentenced to prison

[EdoI]

Well, I guess you know about this already. To shorten things up, read this and you'll know what's everything about. What about TPB's future? Peter Sunde said it will go on, but I doubt that. I also think the charges are too low and they'll be in prison for too short time, considering what has been published to TBP.org.

[Aphex]

lol, even if TPB remains online and functioning, who will use it?

they're making an example of TPB, which i think will work, as it will freak people out about using torrent sites.

[KinGAleX]

They're going to appeal, and they're going to win. In my opinion, they're doing nothing wrong, and in my understanding of the legality of their actions, they're doing nothing wrong. I'll certainly not stigmatise TPB because of this. If anything, I'd rather use it more to support the guys.

[scythe]

If TPB gets taken down, it'll be the same as when OiNK was taken down: it will serve only to galvanize the opinions of filesharers against the media industry. If all the major trackers are taken down, people will use distributed hash tables and GNUnet and rapidshare and USENET and IRC, and people will be less likely to continue buying music and movies, since they won't want to support this sort of thing.

I honestly don't know what they're trying to accomplish -- pissing off your customer base is a great way to lose loyalty. It's not just ethically questionable in theory; it's economically idiotic in practice.

EDIT: Gah. Did I say 'music'? Because I meant 'media'.

[Aphex]

If TPB gets taken down, it'll be the same as when OiNK was taken down: it will serve only to galvanize the opinions of filesharers against the music industry. If all the major trackers are taken down, people will use distributed hash tables and GNUnet and rapidshare and USENET and IRC, and people will be less likely to continue buying music and movies, since they won't want to support this sort of thing.

I honestly don't know what they're trying to accomplish -- pissing off your customer base is a great way to lose loyalty. It's not just ethically questionable in theory; it's economically idiotic in practice.

i don't think that the media industry is going to go down because of this, i feel the media industry is destroying itself in other ways:

1- focusing on downloads

the media industry is focusing on downloads now, giving blowjobs to each other over the ease and low cost of downloads, coupled with the high profits. But this is exactly what they should not be doing, as people will realize they aren't paying for anything special, and so will move to free download sites. The only way the media industry can survive is if they make they're products better. Due to the cost cutting of today, the cd's that are churned out are generic and bland. They need to look back at the old vynls, they had great design, it is as if the album cover itself were a peice of art. If they make the cd's special in some way, people will by them.

2- overpricing

The main reason for illegal downloads is the overpricing of movies, cd's and games. I mean, for a £15 DVD what are you getting? not much, even if you rewatch it 2 or 3 times. The cd's are again overpriced, the way the artists could improve is to fill the cd with as much tracks as possible, meaning you get more for your money. Though, the movie industry is screwed in this regard, as most of the extras on a dvd are crap.

3- generic choice

Due to the fact major retailers are soley focused on what is popular, all stores start selling the same thing. The problem here is they're afraid to take a leap into the unknown, and put faith that something different will sell. I mean, if say, hmv (a british media shop) expanded its niche sections, such as anime, alternative artists, indie/foreign movies, then they would become well known for they're in good collection of products, as opposed to being like every other media shop on the highstreet.

if the a retailer sorts out just one of those problems, they will boost sales a lot. unfortunatly thats not going to happen, and the big men in suits will sit back in there chairs, bumming downloads, not realising they are destroying they're customer base.

phew... now my fingers hurt O_o

[EdoI]

From TPB:

Don't worry - we're from the internets. It's going to be alright. :-)

So, the dice courts judgement is here. It was lol to read and hear, crazy verdict.

But as in all good movies, the heroes lose in the beginning but have an epic victory in the end anyhow. That's the only thing hollywood ever taught us.

And there's some long message to the people that's too long for me to watch.
So, they won after all?

[blackbelmoral]

If TPB gets taken down, it'll be the same as when OiNK was taken down: it will serve only to galvanize the opinions of filesharers against the music industry. If all the major trackers are taken down, people will use distributed hash tables and GNUnet and rapidshare and USENET and IRC, and people will be less likely to continue buying music and movies, since they won't want to support this sort of thing.

I honestly don't know what they're trying to accomplish -- pissing off your customer base is a great way to lose loyalty. It's not just ethically questionable in theory; it's economically idiotic in practice.

i don't think that the media industry is going to go down because of this, i feel the media industry is destroying itself in other ways:

1- focusing on downloads

the media industry is focusing on downloads now, giving blowjobs to each other over the ease and low cost of downloads, coupled with the high profits. But this is exactly what they should not be doing, as people will realize they aren't paying for anything special, and so will move to free download sites. The only way the media industry can survive is if they make they're products better. Due to the cost cutting of today, the cd's that are churned out are generic and bland. They need to look back at the old vynls, they had great design, it is as if the album cover itself were a peice of art. If they make the cd's special in some way, people will by them.

2- overpricing

The main reason for illegal downloads is the overpricing of movies, cd's and games. I mean, for a £15 DVD what are you getting? not much, even if you rewatch it 2 or 3 times. The cd's are again overpriced, the way the artists could improve is to fill the cd with as much tracks as possible, meaning you get more for your money. Though, the movie industry is screwed in this regard, as most of the extras on a dvd are crap.

3- generic choice

Due to the fact major retailers are soley focused on what is popular, all stores start selling the same thing. The problem here is they're afraid to take a leap into the unknown, and put faith that something different will sell. I mean, if say, hmv (a british media shop) expanded its niche sections, such as anime, alternative artists, indie/foreign movies, then they would become well known for they're in good collection of products, as opposed to being like every other media shop on the highstreet.

if the a retailer sorts out just one of those problems, they will boost sales a lot. unfortunatly thats not going to happen, and the big men in suits will sit back in there chairs, bumming downloads, not realising they are destroying they're customer base.

phew... now my fingers hurt O_o

with the amount of torrent, and due to the fact that about half of people who can use a computer use torrent at least once, then a lot of people would have to be fined.

ahh well, the governments will make their money.

and in US, for $30 (like above) which is the average dvd price, when you can

a. pirate it off torrent

b. watch it on some video site (twilight was on one of these before it came out of theaters, my sister wanted to see it)

c. buy it

or

d. download it for FREE! and get other FREE! movies for a low monthly cost (not limewire, but you know what i mean)

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http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/69246 man was senteced for 3 months on 3 movies. google others, and you find find only a few are actually sentenced to prison; most are just fined a few hundred thousand.

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even though it is only illegal on copyrighted material, but several noncopyrighted torrents have been arrested.


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although, if you download it, noone ever does anything about it (except your ISP fining you possibly) unless you're an admin.

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so even though it's wrong to torrent [copyright material], shutting down torrent will not do anything except make more sites *which is ineffective in stopping piracy*

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o_O


EDIT: oh, and the court leaked the decision publicly, so that doesnt help stop it either.
tpb should have gotten a lessened sentence for that.

[SlappyMcGee]

blackbelmoral, please find a way to get your thoughts out in one flowing paragraph. Five line breaks to discuss what is basically the same subject is unnecessary.

Anyway, from my perspective, it looks like big industry has an economic low to deal with soon, and that's going to hurt them a heckuvva lot more than this will hurt Pirates.

[T3chno]

*Insert witty remark about Somalian pirates & TPB*


You know what, I could really care less. Torrents will still be living on. TPB isn't the only torrent site out there, although it was a big one.

[Studebacher Hoch]

But if TPB closes, too where will I seed my Mos Def, Aesop Rock, and Jackson Brown discographies?

That small but meaty fanbase relies on me. I feel like Gohan in that one episode of Dragon Ball Z, where he saves those kids from... uh... Dog Sherrif or something. Anyway, they needed him, just like the MDARJBees need me.

[Atilla]

So, wait. If they're guilty of facilitating the transmission of copyrighted material because they provided a service, wouldn't that imply all ISPs are guilty of the same thing, like Roger Wallis says? For that matter, since TV shows can be recorded and duplicated for later playback, aren't all TV channels enabling the dark scourge of piracy? Are makers of CDs to be held responsible for the distribution of illegal stuff on those discs?

[乳头的早餐谷物]

The concept that they could go to prison for promoting non-commercial copyright infringement disgusts me on a visceral level.

[Tanner]

So, wait. If they're guilty of facilitating the transmission of copyrighted material because they provided a service, wouldn't that imply all ISPs are guilty of the same thing, like Roger Wallis says? For that matter, since TV shows can be recorded and duplicated for later playback, aren't all TV channels enabling the dark scourge of piracy? Are makers of CDs to be held responsible for the distribution of illegal stuff on those discs?

There was a time when VCR and VHS tape manufacturers were held responsible for whatever piracy was engaged in using their product. Thankfully, that changed. Ultimately, I have faith in the courts to do the right thing.