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Postby EdoI » 2009.06.02 (12:25)

This is still in progress, new options may be added, and rules may be changed.
Rules

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-Start

You don't need to register. Just place your bets whenever you want. Before any bettings, you have 1 MNDs (MND is an abbrevation for Metanet Dollar, or Metadollar).

-Betting

Here are the most important rules:

- you can bet on at least three things
- you cannot bet on yourself
- least money you can give is 1 MND. You can also give for example 1.34, 2.58, 1.5 etc.
- in case of winning, odds are being multiplied by each other and the money you invested. As an example, you placed your bets on four places, and invested 2 MNDs. Odds of the bettings you've chosen go like, for example, this: 1.25, 2.4, 1.8 and 1.5. 1.25 x 2.4 x 1.8 x 1.5 x 2 is the amount of money you'll get
- if you lose on one or more bettings, you don't get any money

-Loaning money

If you get out of money or you don't have as much as you want, you can loan it. Maximum loaning that you can get is your money + five. You can't borrow more than 25 MNDs. I'll also take interest (percentage is not determined yet). You'll have to turn the money back in maximum of 15 days. If you don't, you get banned for betting until you pay. You also don't have to give all the money back at once. After you get the money back, if you have less than one MND, you've lost. You'll be able to start over in a month.

Betting options

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1. BLUR:
a) romaniac (2.20) vs. xaelar (2.35)
b) ToeFaceKiller (1.35) vs. KinGAleX (2.70)
c) Izzy (1.35) vs. Infernus (2.70)

2. Which NReality Battle Land field is overthrown next?
2.70 on every field.

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Postby ChrisE » 2009.06.02 (12:39)

Hmm... I'll help :D

I like maths, and betting is second nature.
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Postby 999_Springs » 2009.06.02 (12:45)

Interesting. I was thinking of EXACTLY the same idea about a month ago, but I didn't have much time to think it through, so I didn't post.

It will be a bit hard to control, until you get some rules as to who can bet on what. With a community so specialised you have to be very careful to avoid sparking match-fixing accusations.
EdoI wrote:Before any bettings, you have 1 MNDs.
I bet 1 MND that someone is going to ask you to increase the amount of money you have at the start.
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Postby EdoI » 2009.06.02 (12:49)

ChrisE wrote:Hmm... I'll help :D

I like maths, and betting is second nature.
Okay, you're in. Others might get in if necessary, so do not apply. I'll tell you if I need you. Okay, I'll place first betting options today. Options will be those that I wrote in the first post, and... ChrisE, if you how some suggestions...
I bet 1 MND that someone is going to ask you to increase the amount of money you have at the start.
They can loan it.

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Postby EdoI » 2009.06.02 (15:32)

You can start placing your bettings now. I'll update it sooner or later, this is just so you can bet on something.

Edit: By the way, a noob map is a map made by an user who's made less than fifteen maps, and/or has lots of noob elements (clustering, or any other stuff described in jeffkillian's guide for new mappers).

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Postby 999_Springs » 2009.06.02 (16:52)

999_Springs wrote:It will be a bit hard to control, until you get some rules as to who can bet on what. With a community so specialised you have to be very careful to avoid sparking match-fixing accusations.
EdoI wrote:Who's going to make next 0th highscore, episode?
(I assume you mean NReality, otherwise swipenet wouldn't be there.)

This is exactly what I mean by being careful. I could, for example, bet on myself to take 0th on Episode 123 highscore, and take it, without any real effort at all (I'm 0th->*1st). When I took 0th on it recently, I was only actually trying to get a top20 on the episode - somehow my run ended up in 0th! Or, alternatively, I could just inform someone else about a 0th that's easy to take, and that will greatly increase the chances of it being taken by them. I know about a few of these episodes myself, but I'm obviously not going to reveal them. And you also haven't really thought about the odds as well. Xaelar DOESN'T PLAY EPISODES.

This needs way more thought. This is why I was reluctant to post about it when I thought of it. But if you can get it to work, that would be brilliant. The idea is very good - it just needs more development.
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Postby kkstrong » 2009.06.02 (18:35)

I bet $123456 That I will get the next 0th. *submits* I win.
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Postby EdoI » 2009.06.02 (18:48)

kkstrong wrote:
I bet $123456 That I will get the next 0th. *submits* I win.
Is that a bet?

Edit: As I said in rules, you can't place less than three bets. That also, 999_Springs, makes much harder to cheat.

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Postby kkstrong » 2009.06.03 (02:26)

That was an example. It's not really harder to make a bet with 3 rather than 1. Perhaps make it so that you can't bet on yourself?
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Postby EdoI » 2009.06.03 (10:50)

kkstrong wrote:That was an example. It's not really harder to make a bet with 3 rather than 1. Perhaps make it so that you can't bet on yourself?
It's not harder to make a bet with three, it's harder to win.
And yes, from now on you can't bet on yourself. Any suggestions on what betting options to add?

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Postby 999_Springs » 2009.06.03 (14:00)

Your odds are way, WAY too short for anyone to be really interested in betting. Since the rules imply that you don't get back the money that you bet, a value of 2 for the odds will be based on a probability of 1/2 for the event happening, and a value of 1.5 will be based on a probability of 2/3. For the odds that you give, the inferred probabilities are just not realistic. I know that the total of these probabilities should be more than 1, but the total of your probabilities for option 1 is more than 4, which is just ridiculous.
EdoI wrote:Edit: As I said in rules, you can't place less than three bets. That also, 999_Springs, makes much harder to cheat.
EdoI wrote:And yes, from now on you can't bet on yourself.
OK, I'm satisfied for now.
EdoI wrote:Any suggestions on what betting options to add?
Who will win BLUR?

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Postby EdoI » 2009.06.03 (14:27)

Now?
A note, on BLUR you can bet on more than one match...

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Postby Destiny » 2009.06.03 (15:23)

This needs to be properly tracked and organised. A spreadsheet covering everybodies balance is critical, at the least.
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Postby EdoI » 2009.06.03 (15:46)

Destiny wrote:This needs to be properly tracked and organised. A spreadsheet covering everybodies balance is critical, at the least.
Of course I'll put it. I'm just waiting for someone to bet. In the first post there will be everybody's money, and current bets.

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Postby 29403 » 2009.06.03 (18:18)

EdoI wrote: Edit: By the way, a noob map is a map made by an user who's made less than fifteen maps, and/or has lots of noob elements (clustering, or any other stuff described in jeffkillian's guide for new mappers).
So a person who creates 15 fantastic feature-worthy maps is a n00b? Where's the logic in that?
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Postby EdoI » 2009.06.03 (19:06)

29403 wrote:So a person who creates 15 fantastic feature-worthy maps is a n00b? Where's the logic in that?
Meh, I removed the option so it doesn't matter.

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Postby My_Cereal_Mario » 2009.06.07 (19:17)

I bet everything that this thread will die :(

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Postby 999_Springs » 2009.06.07 (19:25)

Why? Even if it does, you won't get back any money for it, as the thread will have been killed off.
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Postby bufar » 2009.06.17 (01:53)

I'll throw down my dollar for xaelar.
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