Blind Faith

http://nmaps.net/user/Orion_ · Postby **Broghan** » 2009.09.19 (01:49)

I was thinking last night: when does faith in something become blind? Is true faith in its self blind? What's your view?

Postby **SlappyMcGee** » 2009.09.19 (01:51)

It is inherently blind. The only difference between faith and logic is one requires you to believe something without finding facts to back it up.

Postby **Amadeus** » 2009.09.19 (03:57)

Faith is always blind. Judge by experience. The unknown is the only variable.

http://nmaps.net/user/Tunco123 · Postby **Tunco** » 2009.09.19 (10:05)

SlappyMcGee wrote:It is inherently blind. The only difference between faith and logic is one requires you to believe something without finding facts to back it up.

Means that faith is not logical. And yeah, faith is blind.

http://nmaps.net/user/rennaT · Postby **Tanner** » 2009.09.19 (15:23)

SlappyMcGee wrote:It is inherently blind. The only difference between faith and logic is one requires you to believe something without finding facts to back it up.

I agree.

Question, though. I'm reminded of another platitude referencing a lack of sight in a noun. "Love is blind." I would imagine, though, that we can all agree that love isn't bad purely because of its blindness (feel free to make me eat these words). So, question:

Faith is blind. Does that make it bad or wrong?

Postby **t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư** » 2009.09.19 (19:52)

rennaT wrote:Question, though. I'm reminded of another platitude referencing a lack of sight in a noun. "Love is blind." I would imagine, though, that we can all agree that love isn't bad purely because of its blindness (feel free to make me eat these words).

If your love is blind, that only means that you don't know who you'll fall in love with. If your justice is blind, that only means that it's impartial. If your watchmaker is blind, it means that he's got mad skills, or that you shouldn't trust your watch to be reliable.
Heh, actually, the first thing that popped into my mind with the phrase "love is blind" is the song of the same name by Eve. You can Google for the lyrics, yourself, but the relevant line here is, "what you think is love is truly not." Clearly, blind love can easily be a bad thing.
I don't think "blind" retains its meaning as it's applied to various abstract nouns.

rennaT wrote:Faith is blind. Does that make it bad or wrong?

Blind justice refers to finding truth without preconceived misconceptions.
Blind faith is the attempt to find truth through the exclusive use of preconceived misconceptions.

Postby **mongy** » 2009.09.19 (20:02)

rennaT wrote:Faith is blind. Does that make it bad or wrong?

I would say neither. It just makes it impossible to justify.

Postby **jinxed_07** » 2009.09.20 (15:24)

Are we talking about a religion faith or
'faithful-ness' faith

http://nmaps.net/user/Orion_ · Postby **Broghan** » 2009.09.21 (03:27)

Well, faith can realistically apply to anything that a person feels the need to apply it to. You don't necessarily have to be religious to have faith in something, but religion does require nothing but a damn good amount of it.

Postby **jinxed_07** » 2009.09.21 (14:39)

Well considering that,

My 'faith' isn't blind, I have expierenced, seen, witnessed, etc. miracles and proof of God.

That's all I have to say for now.

Postby **Amadeus** » 2009.09.21 (15:12)

Ahahahahahahahaha

EDIT: You know, I've seen a unicorn too.

http://nmaps.net/user/gloomp · Postby **unoriginal name** » 2009.09.21 (15:19)

jinxed_07 wrote:My 'faith' isn't faith, I have expierenced, seen, witnessed, etc. miracles and proof of God.

I love you. I love you. My goddddddddddddddddddddddddd.

http://nmaps.net/user/rennaT · Postby **Tanner** » 2009.09.21 (15:35)

jinxed_07 wrote:My 'faith' isn't faith, I have expierenced, seen, witnessed, etc. miracles and proof of God.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Postby **SlappyMcGee** » 2009.09.21 (16:47)

jinxed_07 wrote:Well considering that,

My 'faith' isn't faith, I have expierenced, seen, witnessed, etc. miracles and proof of God.

That's all I have to say for now.

Dude, so have I!

Who would have thought that the Unitarians were right?

Postby **jinxed_07** » 2009.09.21 (17:47)

HUGE NOTICE!
I meant to put my faith isn't 'blind'

http://nmaps.net/user/rennaT · Postby **Tanner** » 2009.09.21 (18:11)

jinxed_07 wrote:HUGE NOTICE!
I meant to put my faith isn't 'blind'

HUGE NOTICE!
This does not make what you said any less ridiculous.

http://nmaps.net/user/slayr · Postby **Slayr** » 2009.09.21 (20:16)

"The only sovereign I can allow to rule me is reason. The first law of reason is this: what exists exists; what is is. From this irreducible, bedrock principle, all knowledge is built. This is the foundation from which life is embraced. Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way of grasping reality--it is our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."

Postby **jinxed_07** » 2009.09.21 (20:24)

Just because it looks "professional" doesn't make it relevant
@ rennaT
Yes, but it clarify's that what I meant wasn't ridiculous...

http://nmaps.net/user/incluye · Postby **otters** » 2009.09.21 (20:27)

jinxed_07 wrote:Just because it looks "professional" doesn't make it relevant

Yes, but It clarify's that what I meant wasn't ridiculous...

Yes it was. Shut up.

Postby **jinxed_07** » 2009.09.21 (20:39)

What I meant to say wasn't/isn't ridiculous,get it?

Postby **SlappyMcGee** » 2009.09.21 (20:42)

jinxed_07 wrote:What I meant to say wasn't/isn't ridiculous,get it?

Unless you meant to say,

"HUGE NOTICE
I DON'T BELIEVE IN ORGANIZED RELIGION OR SEAN PENN"

Then it's still very ridiculous.

Postby **jinxed_07** » 2009.09.21 (20:52)

So how is it rediculous ?
My faith isn't 'blind', I have seen very valid proof of god's exsistence, got a problem with that?

http://nmaps.net/user/rennaT · Postby **Tanner** » 2009.09.21 (20:52)

jinxed_07 wrote:@ rennaT
Yes, but it clarify's that what I meant wasn't ridiculous...

It continues to be just as ridiculous.

jinxed_07 wrote:My 'faith' isn't faith, I have expierenced, seen, witnessed, etc. miracles and proof of God.

This sentence is ridiculous.

jinxed_07 wrote:My 'faith' isn't blind, I have expierenced, seen, witnessed, etc. miracles and proof of God.

This sentence is equally ridiculous.

jinxed_07 wrote:My 'faith' isn't blind, I have expierenced, seen, witnessed, etc. miracles and proof of horses.

Still ridiculous just because of the phrasing. I mean, what the hell?

jinxed_07 wrote:Yeah, I know what a horse is, dickbag.

Not ridiculous. Normal. We are relating on a plane of communication that I understand and respect. I have accepted you as a friend and colleague. We go for slushies. I compliment your significant other. We split a cab home. Smiles all around.

jinxed_07 wrote:Yeah, I know what God is, dickbag.

I hate you so much.

http://nmaps.net/user/incluye · Postby **otters** » 2009.09.22 (02:09)

rennaT wrote:I'M A FAG LOL

You are, especially for misquoting people *that* badly.

http://nmaps.net/user/scythe33 · Postby **scythe** » 2009.09.22 (02:54)

Faith need not be "blind" - it can also be extrapolative. If your friend builds three planes and they all fly, believing that the fourth one works before you know enough about it's design and construction to reason about whether it will can be considered an act of faith because it's a conclusion that isn't logically valid, but isn't blind as it's supported by inconclusive evidence.

Faith in the supernatural, however, is always blind, because there's currently no scientific evidence in its favor.

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